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[Time Bandit]

Good luck with your duel(you'll need it), as E N E R G Y is one of the top players in the game. I've never heard of you.

[Nightmare1]

Psyrex, on 16 September 2014 - 05:28 AM, said:

Hi all, I'm trying out a new idea but running into a few problems.
I want to build a mech that has as many PPC's on as possible but I still want it to be fast and have as close to 50% heat eff as possible.
I also prefer to have max armour.

I tried out two PPC's on my raven 3L but had to drop some armor and put a smaller engine on.

So which mech/build would be best to meet all of my requirements or am I asking for too much?

Thanks.

Edit: reduce the amount of PPC' down to 4 so I can fire sets of 2.

IraqiWalker, on 16 September 2014 - 05:34 AM, said:

None. PPCs generate too much heat. 2 PPCs is the best you can get on most mechs, and even then, getting 50% heat efficiency is not easy.

Some assault mechs can carry as much as 8 PPCs, but they can only fire 2 at a time, and that lasts about 2-3 shots, and then they over heat.

Here's the closest you can come for a reasonable price

SHD-2K

You can drop the SSRMs and BAP if you want, and add more DHS with an XL 300. Switching down to PPCs would lower your heat consumption as well, btw.

Remember, that build is a foundation, you can work off of it, and improve it.

This BLR does a good job boating PPCs; you just need good gunnery skills:



I've got a few Highlights and Past Broadcasts featuring it here: http://www.twitch.tv...tmarejk/profile

Also, the TDR 5SS makes a good triple PPC boat when you put an Excel 315 in it. I can't recall what the heat efficiency is though. Regardless, the key to successfully using more than two PPCs is firing discipline.

[Metus regem]

Time Bandit, on 19 September 2014 - 02:16 PM, said:

Good luck with your duel(you'll need it), as E N E R G Y is one of the top players in the game. I've never heard of you.

Wow then I feel really good about myself to have seen him in a PUG game on the other side!

[Just wanna play]

Metus regem, on 19 September 2014 - 02:21 PM, said:

Wow then I feel really good about myself to have seen him in a PUG game on the other side!

I see him all the time, i don't think hes anything special, not bad at all, but not the best for sure, id give that title to the devils i encountered while playing with friends who only do competitive group matches, they sure put my 55kph huch back to the test lol, granted they were just pin point damage builds....... good ol pop tarting

clownwarlord, on 18 September 2014 - 09:46 PM, said:

90? no try 120 alpha
DWF-PRIME

thats only 80 pin point though....clan ppcs have 5 splash 10 pin point damage.....

Edited by Just wanna play, 19 September 2014 - 03:07 PM.

[Richard Warts]

Here's an Awesome 9M that's about as close as you can get to your request. Keep in mind that Awesome's have a heat eff bonus with them so it's actually cooler than what smurfy says.
XL385 engine
x3 PPCs
21 dbl heat sinks
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...c4e059d38db434e

Personally I would swap out one of the PPCs for an ER PPC so you have some close range support.

Edited by Tabu 73, 19 September 2014 - 03:39 PM.

[Just wanna play]

Tabu 73, on 19 September 2014 - 03:28 PM, said:

Here's an Awesome 9M that's about as close as you can get to your request. Keep in mind that Awesome's have a heat eff bonus with them so it's actually cooler than what smurfy says.
XL385 engine
x3 PPCs
21 dbl heat sinks
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...c4e059d38db434e

also that has thicker ct armor then state^^^^

Edited by Just wanna play, 19 September 2014 - 03:34 PM.

[cranect]

The best PPC boat is the Awesome. The 8Q can effectively run 4 PPCs on chain fire and 2 ERPPCs. With 3 buttons (one grouping the PPCs on chain, one with ERPPCs no chain, and one with everything for when you are about to die) you can easily reach 500-600 damage.

[JigglyMoobs]

HlynkaCG, on 19 September 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:

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...I'm going to let you in on a little secret. There is this thing called a "Solo Queue", there are game modes other than skirmish, and fair fights are for suckers who don't know any better.
......

As for duel, I can be found on the MechForce Classic or House Davion public team-speak servers any given week night, PST. I look forward to seeing you.

Gets out popcorn, opens a Coke.

PS - 10/1 odds in favor of E N E R G Y.

[Scandinavian Jawbreaker]

E N E R G Y, on 18 September 2014 - 01:54 PM, said:

Derp, we called it. Not only should PGI listen to ONLY the competitive community regarding balance changes, but so should the casual base in this game. That is, if you want to get any better, you guys might get a little smarter in the process as-well learning a bit from we, the Elite.

Hate to break it to you, but... from Paul's weapon balance update

The new values for the PPCs are as follows:
Inner Sphere PPC - Speed = 850 m/s down from 1500 m/s.
Inner Sphere ER-PPC - Speed = 950 m/s down from 1500 m/s.
Clan ER-PPC - Speed = 950 m/s down from 1500 m/s.

We have tested this internally and also have had some of the high competitive players look at it. The overall feeling is that it's about right but as I said, we will keep looking at tuning this if warranted.

[HlynkaCG]

Time Bandit, on 19 September 2014 - 02:16 PM, said:

Good luck with your duel(you'll need it), as E N E R G Y is one of the top players in the game. I've never heard of you.

JigglyMoobs, on 19 September 2014 - 04:00 PM, said:

Gets out popcorn, opens a Coke.

PS - 10/1 odds in favor of E N E R G Y.

Good, wouldn't want there to be any pressure. What sort of spread are we talking, and how far can I push those odds if I promise to pilot a Locust or Urbie?

Edited by HlynkaCG, 19 September 2014 - 04:50 PM.

[n r g]

HlynkaCG, on 19 September 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:

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To me, blanket statements like "Lasers will beat Projectiles 100% of the time" indicate that you really don't play this game all that much. You have your narrowly defined competitive e-sport 12 man perspective and think that this perspective is all there is or otherwise representative of the game as a whole. I'm going to let you in on a little secret. There is this thing called a "Solo Queue", there are game modes other than skirmish, and fair fights are for suckers who don't know any better.

On paper a Commando or Jenner will never kill a Dire Wolf, in game the situation is a bit more fluid.

A force composition optimized for Conquest isn't necessarily the one you'd bring to a Skirmish match. and a build that works well as part of a team is not necessarily the best mech to use in a dual and vice versa. A bouncing PPC-Spider might not hold a candle to a Mad Cat in a 1v1 dual, but a lance of them will make an absolute PITA out of themselves.


Like I said above, ECM + PPC fast attackers and Gauss + PPC assaults might not be the "I win button" that they once were but they haven't gone away either.

As for duel, I can be found on the MechForce Classic or House Davion public team-speak servers any given week night, PST. I look forward to seeing you.

Simply add me on the MWO client, "E N E R G Y" is the name.

Metus regem, on 19 September 2014 - 02:21 PM, said:

Wow then I feel really good about myself to have seen him in a PUG game on the other side!

I level mechs in the solo que, and if my understanding is correct, ELO is based individually on mech.

So if you see me on the other "side", take note of the mech I am running (was leveling up a Stalker misery ,Atlas D-DC and cicada this past week which were just purchased and have 0 elo)

Edited by E N E R G Y, 19 September 2014 - 05:21 PM.

[Time Bandit]

No wonder I keep getting put up against CSJ and HoL in my WHK-B...

[Alaskan Nobody]

E N E R G Y, on 19 September 2014 - 05:20 PM, said:

I level mechs in the solo que, and if my understanding is correct, ELO is based individually on mech.

Weight class, with IS and Clan being one value last I checked

[JigglyMoobs]

E N E R G Y, on 19 September 2014 - 05:20 PM, said:

Simply add me on the MWO client, "E N E R G Y" is the name.

Video or it didn't happen.

Seriously, I demand a video.

[Metus regem]

E N E R G Y, on 19 September 2014 - 05:20 PM, said:

So if you see me on the other "side", take note of the mech I am running (was leveling up a Stalker misery ,Atlas D-DC and cicada this past week which were just purchased and have 0 elo)

Pretty sure it was the DDC, I got caught out in front of it, and had a bad time against it.

[JigglyMoobs]

Metus regem, on 19 September 2014 - 06:48 PM, said:

Pretty sure it was the DDC, I got caught out in front of it, and had a bad time against it.

Pro tip - for future reference, this is how you fight Energy's Atlas:



PS - Way to take one for the team Mr. Stormcrow!

[Time Bandit]

Since when did you become a pro, Jiggly?

[JigglyMoobs]

Time Bandit, on 20 September 2014 - 08:00 AM, said:

Since when did you become a pro, Jiggly?

Hmmm, since teh moobs sprouted chest hairs?

[Time Bandit]

Touche.

[Wolfways]

Just wanna play, on 19 September 2014 - 03:06 PM, said:

I see him all the time, i don't think hes anything special, not bad at all, but not the best for sure, id give that title to the devils i encountered while playing with friends who only do competitive group matches, they sure put my 55kph huch back to the test lol, granted they were just pin point damage builds....... good ol pop tarting

Maybe you're seeing different players and haven't realized. There are a few players with variations of ENERGY for names.