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[Malleus011]

Ater player requests, Russ floated the idea that the Phoenix package could possibly be made available again if the player base (especially Phoenix owners) supported the idea.

Naturally, there are voices for and against this idea. Following is my suggestion for a compromise.



Invasion Response Pack (Phoenix II)

• Talon Pack 20$ Locust -1V(A)Champion and 2 variants
  
• Guardian Pack 40$ Shadow Hawk -2H(A) Champion and 2 variants
  
• Storm Pack 60$ Thunderbolt -5S(A) Champion and 2 variants
  
• Overlord Pack 80$ Battlemaster -1G(A) Champion and 2 variants
  
• Saber Reinforcement Pack 30$ Griffin -1N(A) Champion and 2 variants & Wolverine -6R(A) Champion and 2 variants.
  
• Old Guard Reinforcement Pack 20$ Choice of JR7-D(A), HBK-4G(A), CPLT-C1(A), AS7-D(A) Champion. Maybe be purchased more than once.

Notes:

• All packs include three free paint colors of the player's choice (excluding Founders, Phoenix)
  
• Saber and Old Guard available if at least the Phoenix or Invasion Response Talon Pack has been purchased
  
• Note that they include none of the cockpit items or other extras of the original Phoenix Pack
  
• Old Guard 'mechs use Founders geometry and pattern, but not paint or (F) designation
  
• Note that 'Champion' in this context assumes a 30% C-Bill bonus
  
• Premium time may be added to packs at PGI's discretion
  
• New Forum Badge at PGI's discretion.

This pack allows IS purists a 'top teir' option to fight the Clan invasion (and get access to the Hero King Crab without buying Clan tech), while re-opening Saber and adding 'Old Guard' to previous Phoenix backers. (While I'm at it, I'd open Saber to Founders without any other Phoenix, but that's just me)


While these are the same 'mechs - statistically - as Phoenix/Founders, they do not have access to the original colors or bonus items and have a different sub-designation after their name.

So, if you are a Founder or Phoenix owner, would this be acceptable to you? If not, are there any changes that might make it so?

If you aren't a Founder/Phoenix, would you buy this?

NB: The 'Clan Buster' pack of high tech mechs from Tukayyid would require more resources than PGI has to spare at present, but might be an option next yet.

Edit: These were initially '( R )' but that kept getting changed to ®. Changed to (A).

Edited by Malleus011, 17 September 2014 - 10:22 AM.

[Herr Vorragend]

As a Phoenix Overlord and Saber owner I support your idea.

[Damien Tokala]

Let the INNERSPHERE have their new toys

[Gierling]

IMHO they should offer a pack with the King Crab, and a handful of other IS mechs that have not been in any packs.

So you could buy it to get a cbill bonus version of mechs that were neither pheonix or founders.

King Crab, Jagermech, BlackJack, Raven etc.

[Pendraco]

NO! For whatever reason some people missed the boat, I will only support such an option if it DOES NOT give hindsighters a cheap way to now recieve a gift meant for those of us that supported PGI with pre-orders months before we could even use those mechs.

However, if you feel you missed out on some of the cool phoenix mechs and genuinely want them I would support such a package. But to throw together a package just so people can have a cheaper IS pure route to a King Crab gift...NO!

[Destructicus]

No
We bought those packs under the premise they'd never be available again
And now that there's a new reward in the mix you want in?
Yep...
Why buy a saber overlord pack when KC will be available for MC the same day it gets injected into our accounts?
For the cbill bonus?
Kinda funny you wanna pay upwards of a hundred bucks to get a "free" mech that's going to cost less than that when it's released

Edited by Destructicus, 17 September 2014 - 02:50 PM.

[Murphy7]

I don't like the re-release of packages because it dilutes the message of those earlier programs.

I am a supporting founder (got into closed beta before the founder's program) because I liked what I was seeing and was interested in supporting it further. I did not go "whole hog mainly because I didn't like all of the founder's mechs, really was only torn between two of them (Hunchback, Atlas - chose Atlas on the idea that I could earn the C-bills for the Hunchback more readily).

I am an Overlord & Saber supporter because I really, really love the original (many still Unseen) mechs. Original to me meaning the 14 mechs that were included in the rule book from the boxed set, oh so many years ago now. My money there was for the mechs I really wanted to see in game, and to show PGI that I would financially support them if/when they make a stab at getting the rest.

(Aside: Warhammers and Marauders, are a given. But can you imagine the glory that would be the Crusader? Missile hardpoints in the legs, arms that stock have 1 E 1B 1M hard points? Really good times to be had there, I think. )

I did not preorder in the clan packs, as most of the omnis were not that interesting to me - I did grab Mad Cats a la carte because they are also iconic mechs. The clan invasion 2 pack has more mechs to my liking - I will probably order the Loki package, as the Koshi looks fun, and I have liked the Fenris and Loki mechs from TT. Fenris is really going to be hell on wheels. I am more comfortable making that purchase, because I feel better about what PGI is doing with the game now - CW really does seem to be on the near horizon.

But seriously, liberate some of the other Unseen designs to MW:O and I could not throw my money at PGI fast enough.

Edited by Murphy7, 17 September 2014 - 10:14 AM.

[Malleus011]

I'm a big fan of the Unseen myself.

'No, don't re-release limited content' is a perfectly viable answer. What I was checking for was if changing the designation from

BLR-1G(P)
to
BLR-1G(A)

And changing the colors of the 'mechs would be enough to be considered 'different', or if that's too close to the limited content we got earlier.

As for those who don't want people to get a King Crab - they can, they just have to get the Clan Man-o-War Pack to do it. Is your objection the lower price of a reissued PP? I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from, and I'd like to.

[keith]

stuff like this should ALWAYS be in the bundle area. just none of the pre order bonuses. so take away the 90 day premium time and the fancy camos u would get. if someone who is late to the game so wishes to give pgi 20, 40, 60 or 80 bucks for a mech pack with a c-bill bonus mech so be it. it is their money and only us and pgi make out by making it available to them.

[TLBFestus]

I don't mind the mechs being sold again as some form of upgrade to get some of the bonuses being offered lately, BUT out of respect for those who did buy-in early those "upgrade packs" should NOT come with custom paint, or c-bill bonuses or any other perks.

This coming from a Founder and a "Phoenix Pack Refunder".

I think PGI is being very reasonable (and I rarely say that) to do what they are doing because in my life it's always been;

"You Snooze, You Lose"

[Pendraco]

Malleus011, on 17 September 2014 - 10:17 AM, said:

I'm a big fan of the Unseen myself.

'No, don't re-release limited content' is a perfectly viable answer. What I was checking for was if changing the designation from

BLR-1G(P)
to
BLR-1G(A)

And changing the colors of the 'mechs would be enough to be considered 'different', or if that's too close to the limited content we got earlier.

As for those who don't want people to get a King Crab - they can, they just have to get the Clan Man-o-War Pack to do it. Is your objection the lower price of a reissued PP? I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from, and I'd like to.

This topic came up right after they announced the King Crab gift, people realized they're only option is to drop $240 on the Top Teir clan pack to get it.....Now suddenly there is all this interest in re-releasing a previous IS pack to qualify for the Gift Crab.

Some were not here for those packs, some could not afford top teir packs then. That sucks, but that is life. It is a gift meant for those of us that did / could support them by purchasing everything they were selling months before it was available.

Edited by Pendraco, 17 September 2014 - 10:29 AM.

[nitra]

Great compromise I think it is a good idea

[Malleus011]

As I understand it, they can buy Man-O-War for 120$ and qualify for the KC.

I get that the KC is a gift, but my point in all this is that they *can* currently buy a pack and get the KC, if they want to spend the money. But what if they don't want a Clan pack?

Would the pack just need to be 120$, so it isn't a cheaper route to the KC?

Edited by Malleus011, 17 September 2014 - 10:38 AM.

[Pendraco]

Malleus011, on 17 September 2014 - 10:32 AM, said:

As I understand it, they can buy Man-O-War for 120$ and qualify for the KC.

I get that the KC is a gift, but my point in all this is that they *can* currently buy a pack and get the KC, if they want to spend the money. But what if they don't want a Clan pack?

Even better! Get KC for $120 Sell all the Clan Mechs you can for C-Bills ignore the rest. I would be ok with another IS Pack, but not in time for the KC gift....Buy it for MC.

[Nathan Foxbane]

I would like to see the camo patterns on the packages differentiated. Since many people already change the colors on their Founders and Phoenix 'Mechs, a new pattern would help differentiate the new release from the originals for those that do not like the Founders or Phoenix colors.

Edited by Nathan Foxbane, 17 September 2014 - 10:40 AM.

[Viges]

Malleus011, on 17 September 2014 - 09:31 AM, said:

Ater player requests, Russ floated the idea that the Phoenix package could possibly be made available again if the player base (especially Phoenix owners) supported the idea.

Naturally, there are voices for and against this idea. Following is my suggestion for a compromise.

People want that exclusive King Crab so they just need "Top tier" pack. PGI only need to release 1 IS pack that would cost $120 (as man-o-war).

So just make a pack of IS mechs that were fighting the clans first or anything that looks related to invasion, add some colours, cabin items and (killer feature) exclusive quirks (takes 5 mins to code?). Now sell it. Done.

[Spr1ggan]

I'd only support this if they added redesigned Warhammer, Marauder, and Archer battlemechs. I don't care if the purists are happy with how redesigned versions look or not. Just do them and add them to the game.

[Mohawk Howell]

I had a slight twinge of selfishness about the idea of offering the packs again, specifically the founders...

But with the removal of the MC and Prem Time rewards allowing newer players to get the mechs doesn't bother me AT ALL. I mean why should it? Sure the Gold Founders tag and things of that nature are not being offered with this idea so I support it fully.

And as for the Phoenix Packs, do it to it. They should still be available to people.

[Cranky Poed]

Malleus011, on 17 September 2014 - 10:17 AM, said:

I'm a big fan of the Unseen myself.

'No, don't re-release limited content' is a perfectly viable answer. What I was checking for was if changing the designation from

BLR-1G(P)
to
BLR-1G(A)

And changing the colors of the 'mechs would be enough to be considered 'different', or if that's too close to the limited content we got earlier.

As for those who don't want people to get a King Crab - they can, they just have to get the Clan Man-o-War Pack to do it. Is your objection the lower price of a reissued PP? I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from, and I'd like to.

I want my Warhammer. I really want to see how they update the model.

[Malleus011]

Nathan Foxbane, on 17 September 2014 - 10:39 AM, said:

I would like to see the camo patterns on the packages differentiated. Since many people already change the colors on their Founders and Phoenix 'Mechs, a new pattern would help differentiate the new release from the originals for those that do not like the Founders or Phoenix colors.

I'd prefer that as well, but I was trying to keep things as easy as possible for PGI. The easiest thing for them is to simply put Phoenix back on sale unchanged; every little tweak adds a bit to their workload.

And, at this point, I know there are a few players who would like a second crack at PP, but I don't know how many. It'd have to be enough to make it worth PGI's staff time to re-run the sale.

Similar issue with assembling a new pack - say, 'Champion' Firestarter, Blackjack, Jagermech, and Stalker, or something - they'd have to make a unique skin, and any other goodies that they offer in the normal packs (war horns or some such). It's more effort for PGI than just re-issuing PP.

McHarg, on 17 September 2014 - 10:42 AM, said:

I'd only support this if they added redesigned Warhammer, Marauder, and Archer battlemechs. I don't care if the purists are happy with how redesigned versions look or not. Just do them and add them to the game.

Dude, I want those too, even with new models, but I doubt we'll see them unless Harmony Gold is struck by lightning. But how the cash would flow from a Warhammer/Archer/Marauder/Crusader pack ... even redesigned ones.

OK, back on topic.