Koshi, Hardwired Active Probe

Mcgral18, on 18 September 2014 - 06:56 AM, said:

This 25 tonner, which is slower than the Clan's 45 tonner, will have 4 tons of hardwired equipment, and 6.5 tons of pod space once you max out the armour.

6 JJs accounts for 3 tons, and then a hardwired Active Probe is located in the head, taking a full ton from the potential pod space, over 10%.

This is on top of requiring 3 external DHS, which means it will never have the same dissipation or heat capacity of a 250+ rated mech, and no torso mounted weapons.

Should PGI allow the AP to be removed? I asked on Twitter, but I've gotten no response.

7.5 tons vs 6.5 tons won't be much, but every bit helps on a 25 ton mech.

What I have in Megamek, removing only the non-fixed weapons and maximizing armor:
Koshi (Myst Lynx) 6 tons.
Fenris (Ice Ferret) 9 tons.
Loki (Hell Bringer) ~~20.5 tons.~~ (23.5 tons; I missed some anti-personnel pods and an AMS).
Man o War (Gargoyle) 19.5 tons.

That's removing the anti-personnel pods as well, as it's a safe assumption that we won't be dropping bombs on infantry any time soon. (Where are they getting 6.5 and 7.5 tons? I can understand some left over tonnage as that final half ton of armor isn't eaten for just a couple of points but damn do we really get THAT much slack?)

I should note their IS equivalent examples of mech tonnages are Myst Lynx to Commando (25 tons), Ice Ferret to Vindicator/Blackjack (45 tons), Hell Bringer to Jagermech/Catapult/Thunderbolt (65 tons) and Gargoyle to Awesome/Victor.

These are not 35, 55, 75, or 100 ton mechs so you should not expect the best the world has to offer.

Now... if the Active Probe had the true abilities of TT's Active Probe... I'd say "screw you guys, don't ever take it away from me."
But then again I'd have a 1,080 meter radius, 360 degree radar that'll detect enemies regardless of line of sight for 10 to 20 seconds every so often in addition to the many other benefits of Active Probes.

Not sure what I'd say for how it currently is, though.
I'd have to actually try the mech first.

(Scenario with Clan Active Probe.)

Spoiler

Koniving, on 04 June 2014 - 07:56 PM, said:

New battle!
3 mediums, 1 Competition heavy, 1 agricultural mech
versus 3 Clan mediums.

Aside from the heavy, all mechs are stock.

The scene.
A city environment with open plains, brush and some trees to the south. Some hills.

The scenario. A Clan force has bid to take the city by means of 3 mediums.
Inner Sphere:
Koniving
Mechs:

Kintaro 19.
Trebuchet 7m.
Centurion AL.
Cattlemaster.

All Stock.

Part time Canadian (PTC)
Mechs:

Warhammer competitive build. Pilot: Steiner McSteinerson II.

Versus:

Clan:
Lordred
Mechs:

Stormcrow.
Hunchback IIC.
Shadow Cat.

Spoiler

The ambush planned at this point has been completely compromised by Clan Beagle Active Probe.
Though aware of it (through Lordred pointing it out), the Inner Sphere mechs are unable to detect anything about Clan movements.

During this time, the Cattlemaster, Warhammer, and Centurion began to leave the city to scout as something is obviously awry.

Many mechs are out of position and out of the city. Only the Trebuchet and Kintaro are within the city. The Kintaro moved further behind cover of a complex city block. The Trebuchet moved closer to its allies on the Western side.

In the attacking phase, a fire that was started within the city, strongly suggesting an Eastern approach. The enemy has already invaded the city and no one was the wiser. The ambushers are about to be ambushed!

Spoiler

During Round 8, 1 minute and 10 seconds to 1 minute and 20 seconds into the match, Koniving tries to land onto a building to use it to spot an enemy force.

The building collapses and the mech falls through 3 stories (9 meters). The building crashing around it.

Note that a mech is never taller than 14 meters and a Trebuchet is about 11 meters [it is in lore a very tall medium mech so it can fire its LRMs over hills and small buildings].

Just moments after this occurred, an enemy Stormcrow is spotted overlooking the Trebuchet. The Kintaro immediately comes out of hiding to provide support while the Trebuchet while the pilot recovers enough to attempt to stand.

Note that "accidental fire" is about causing fires within buildings, brush, etc.

Spoiler

At this time, the Warhammer is turning around and reaching the edge of the city again.
3 Clan mechs are now spotted and attacking. Centurion is using a building for cover (to stay out of the Warhammer's line of fire). Cattlemaster is pretty far out.

Spoiler

The Warhammer has destroyed the Nova Cat.
The Trebuchet is dead.

Spoiler

During this phase, the Kintaro stumbles on the Trebuchet's scrap pile and the building it died, resulting in it tripping!

Spoiler

The Cattlemster is now part of the fight.

Spoiler

By some miracle, through multiple bashings, the Centurion is STILL alive despite being beat on by two clan mechs.

Spoiler

The Centurion has been knocked down! After getting up it kicks someone!

Spoiler

Total match time. 170 seconds (2 minutes and 50 seconds).
Clan BAP is overpowered.

Edited by Koniving, 18 September 2014 - 12:24 PM.

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