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[rageagainstthedyingofthelight]

I would buy the CRAP out of any new IS mech pack.

[Nastyogre]

What I would like to see is not just some custom mech chassis (and I do want to see that) but a package that is basically "ala carte" but not "ala carte"

So, I buy a 3 mech package. It costs $80 I choose 3 champion/hero/custom mechs. Open up the warehouses. While I own all the IS packages. Say I didn't. IF I have the "pick a mech" package I pick a King Crab, a Griffin and a Spider set. Perhaps if I only buy standard chassis rather than hero/champion/custom chassis I can get 4 mechs (if the variants are available)

There is really no good reason not to just open it up that way. I might not offer the Founders, that was a select group of us, the others? Why not? It really doesn't cheapen it. Its a mech. Heck with the founders just call them "Re-founders" give them a slightly different paint job and tag and call it good.

No reason to pigeon-hole us.

Oh and I am for packages that do not include Premium time. Just give MC and let us use it for what we want. OR at least give us that option.

Edited by Stiletto, 04 October 2014 - 07:28 AM.

[dario03]

Belorion, on 04 October 2014 - 04:53 AM, said:

People who bought less than a top tier package and an MC package get two mechs...

People who bought a top tier package but no MC get two mechs....

People who bought both a top tier and MC get three mechs....


Sounds fair to me.

So....
Spending $80 on a package get a King Crab.
Spend way more, (like in my example $240) over 3 packages and don't get a King Crab.

Sounds good to you...

[Beo Vulf]

A second IS $80 ith all new IS mech chasis would not be disagreeable to me. Offering the old package to those who did not wish to buy it when it was originally available would not be fair to those who chose to buy it at the time because they were confident enough in PGI's vision of the future of MWO. I have played since BETA and what we had back than was enough for me to buy the founders package based on my faith that the game would end up outstanding. Whether PGI should make the second wave IS package available before the December deadline I don't know that they have the new IS mechs laying around ready to be plugged into the game that soon. So maybe the people without faith should perhaps consider what PGI plans for the second anniversary.

[Jon Gotham]

Beo Vulf, on 04 October 2014 - 02:09 PM, said:

A second IS $80 ith all new IS mech chasis would not be disagreeable to me. Offering the old package to those who did not wish to buy it when it was originally available would not be fair to those who chose to buy it at the time because they were confident enough in PGI's vision of the future of MWO. I have played since BETA and what we had back than was enough for me to buy the founders package based on my faith that the game would end up outstanding. Whether PGI should make the second wave IS package available before the December deadline I don't know that they have the new IS mechs laying around ready to be plugged into the game that soon. So maybe the people without faith should perhaps consider what PGI plans for the second anniversary.

*sigh*
Did I really just read that? It's not about "faith."
Some people just did not have the money then or were even playing then. "faith" is no good when you can't pay, or didn't even know of the game to have "faith" in it:)
Good job the matter is now moot, if rumblings are to be believed.
Again, you are not special because you spent money at a particular time. We've all done that and supported PGI.

[Bront]

Ovion, on 04 October 2014 - 02:38 AM, said:

From what was said CW development will be unnafected.
I think other things will be too.

From what was said, the pack will be available to pre-order before the cutoff, but won't be available till a while after (jan/feb on wards next year, could be up to 6 months), but done this way to allow people to have the IS option of a King Crab reward.

I mean, I'll already be getting mine, but I might buy an IS pack anyway if it tickles my fancy.

Sounds like I need to listen to that Town Hall meeting at some point.

[Beo Vulf]

kamiko kross, on 05 October 2014 - 09:47 AM, said:

*sigh*
Did I really just read that? It's not about "faith."
Some people just did not have the money then or were even playing then. "faith" is no good when you can't pay, or didn't even know of the game to have "faith" in it:)
Good job the matter is now moot, if rumblings are to be believed.
Again, you are not special because you spent money at a particular time. We've all done that and supported PGI.

Were does it say anywere in my post that I believe that I am special? Stop putting words that are not implyed or used into posts about people. As to Faith did you put money into MWO because you thought it was going to be terrible, or believed that it would never get any better. No Than you had faith that PGI could and would make a good game out of the concept and paid money for a package to help them do so.
As to people who were not playing than to bad so sad. I knew through he internet grapevine that they were going to be doing an Mechwarrior online game and signed up as soon as I could. Why because I have been playing mechwarrior in some form since 1985, I love the game, so do many others who have been playing just as long, or longer than I have. I know a couple who started playing in Japan (1984).
Faith - A believe with no evidence that something will occur. It is not about religion but religion provides use with the best example.

[Zerberus]

kamiko kross, on 05 October 2014 - 09:47 AM, said:

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Some people ... were (not) even playing then. "faith" is no good when you can't pay, or didn't even know of the game to have "faith" in it:)

Now waitasec here, the entire point of a 1 year customer appreciation program is to reward people that were here during /for that year and actively supported the game financially or at least by playing matches.

And now you`re suggesting that people that weren`t here for that time, and /or barely played during it (less than 100 matches), and or paid nothing should get the exact same rewards as the people that did?So you slap all of your paying customers in the face just because some ****** that joined yesterday says he couldn`t buy as a result and he deserves everything for free?
Are we from the same planet? Because on Earth /Terra /Sol III that generally won`t fly, anywhere, in any business. If you open a business, and you have a big sale, and some douchbag comes in a year later and complains that he didn`t know, the only proper response is "Sorry, but that`s not our problem", followed immediately by "nobody is forcing you to do business with us" if the inevitable entitled whining diatribe starts.

You do not knowingly piss off the thousands of customers that ponied up cash (which for some may have even caused significant personal sacrifices / "cutbacks" like not smoking for a few months or similar) for a one time deal by saying "HEY!! Remember that one time special offer that we reeled you in with? Well, we`re greedy ******** that don`t keep promises, so we`re going to offer it to everybody again now".

Unless of course you really want to lose customers én masse, in which case you offer it at a lower price than it originally was, just to rub even more salt into the wound you created by breaking your promise, guaranteeing an exodus of income for the forseeable future.

In the current situation where numerous people already can`t purchase (for technical /personal reasons) and are taking their funds elsewhere already, the very last thing you need is to shoo away the select few that still can and do pay for your products.

Edited by Zerberus, 05 October 2014 - 01:32 PM.

[EgoSlayer]

Zerberus, on 05 October 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

Now waitasec here, the entire point of a 1 year customer appreciation program is to reward people that were here during /for that year and actively supported the game financially or at least by playing matches.

And now you`re suggesting that people that weren`t here for that time, and /or barely played during it (less than 100 matches), and or paid nothing should get the exact same rewards as the people that did?So you slap all of your paying customers in the face just because some ****** that joined yesterday says he couldn`t buy as a result and he deserves everything for free?
Are we from the same planet? Because on Earth /Terra /Sol III that generally won`t fly, anywhere, in any business. If you open a business, and you have a big sale, and some douchbag comes in a year later and complains that he didn`t know, the only proper response is "Sorry, but that`s not our problem", followed immediately by "nobody is forcing you to do business with us" if the inevitable entitled whining diatribe starts.

You do not knowingly piss off the thousands of customers that ponied up cash (which for some may have even caused significant personal sacrifices / "cutbacks" like not smoking for a few months or similar) for a one time deal by saying "HEY!! Remember that one time special offer that we reeled you in with? Well, we`re greedy ******** that don`t keep promises, so we`re going to offer it to everybody again now".

Unless of course you really want to lose customers én masse, in which case you offer it at a lower price than it originally was, just to rub even more salt into the wound you created by breaking your promise, guaranteeing an exodus of income for the forseeable future.

In the current situation where numerous people already can`t purchase (for technical /personal reasons) and are taking their funds elsewhere already, the very last thing you need is to shoo away the select few that still can and do pay for your products.

The King crab reward has nothing to do with being here from some period or playing for any period of time. Any Joe off the street can create an account and buy a Masakari or Man-O-War package any time between now and December 16th and get the King crab reward. The only criteria is that you buy a top tier package. That's it. Quit being so elitist and realize that some people want to buy IS packages because they want to play IS, not Clan. And there hasn't been an IS pack for nearly a year.

[Zerberus]

I know reading comprehension is a chore for some, but practice makes perfect. Here`s a chance to practice.

EgoSlayer, on 05 October 2014 - 02:41 PM, said:

The King crab reward has nothing to do with being here from some period or playing for any period of time. Any Joe off the street can create an account and buy a Masakari or Man-O-War package any time between now and December 16th and get the King crab reward. The only criteria is that you buy a top tier package. That's it.

Quit being so elitist and realize that some people want to buy IS packages because they want to play IS, not Clan. And there hasn't been an IS pack for nearly a year.

Only when you stop being a condescending ****** that always assumes that everyone elses intentions are entirely malicious. Or when you stop reading the posts as what you want instead of what is stated.

When and Where did I say ANYTHING about the King Crab, Ms. Omniscious?? Especially since you can still get, as you stated, that until December and it is not clear in any way, shape or form that there will or will not be another IS pack by then? And even if there isn`t, it`s not MY problem that you want PGI to offer something they currently don`t and have your panties in a wad about it. Becasue that`s what it really is "I don`t want, but I want". Tough luck, life isn`t fair, kid. But you`ll learn that soon enough.

Your beef is obviously with PGI not offering you what you want. My beef is with entitled people wanting **** for free that they didn`t do jack **** to earn, and is in no way even tangential to yours. So maybe you should go piss on Russ` or Paul`s leg instead before I kick you off of mine with a size 45 infantry boot. Because your asinine accusations of elitism and angst ridden delivery do absolutely nothing for me but tell me that you are probably at least 20 years my junior, and unlike PGI CS reps I don`t get paid to deal with whining children.

[EgoSlayer]

Zerberus, on 05 October 2014 - 02:56 PM, said:

I know reading comprehension is a chore for some, but practice makes perfect. Here`s a chance to practice.


Only when you stop being a condescending ****** that always assumes that everyone elses intentions are entirely malicious. Or when you stop reading the posts as what you want instead of what is stated.

When and Where did I say ANYTHING about the King Crab, Ms. Omniscious?? Especially since you can still get, as you stated, that until December and it is not clear in any way, shape or form that there will or will not be another IS pack by then? And even if there isn`t, it`s not MY problem that you want PGI to offer something they currently don`t and have your panties in a wad about it. Becasue that`s what it really is "I don`t want, but I want". Tough luck, life isn`t fair, kid. But you`ll learn that soon enough.

Your beef is obviously with PGI not offering you what you want. My beef is with entitled people wanting **** for free that they didn`t do jack **** to earn, and is in no way even tangential to yours. So maybe you should go piss on Russ` or Paul`s leg instead before I kick you off of mine with a size 45 infantry boot. Because your asinine accusations of elitism and angst ridden delivery do absolutely nothing for me but tell me that you are probably at least 20 years my junior, and unlike PGI CS reps I don`t get paid to deal with whining children.

Speak for yourself. This entire point of this THREAD is about a new IS pack so people can get the King Crab reward, including the post you that you quoted.
Yes some others have gone on tangents of changing the criteria for the King Crab reward, but that isn't what the thread is about. Your entitlement rant about people wanting stuff for "free" is a joke. The root of this thread is about PAYING PGI $80 or more to get a reward mech, hardly demanding stuff for free or a sense of entitlement.

Given your response, I'd bet you're no where near 20 years my senior more likely the other way around.

My Beef with the rewards? I don't have one. Find one post where I have posted anything indicating that PGI's reward criteria are unfair or unbalanced. Another thing you misread. I'm all for not reissuing the Founders or Phoenix packs, but I am excited about a new IS pack. 'Nuff said. Take it up with me in PM's if you still have issues.

[Tincan Nightmare]

Honestly if PGI wants to offer the founders package again under a new name, with the same 4 mechs and rewards (like the premium time and such) I don't have an issue, at least as long as it is the same cost and rewards. Frankly, with the number of mechs that were offered in the later packs I would be surprised if anyone would pay 120 dollars for just 4 mechs and some premium time, but I don't see a problem with offering it to those that would. Just name it something else and don't hand out founders titles, we should get some recognition for showing faith when the game wasn't even playable.

As an alternative, offer a new IS pack that contains the founder mechs but also includes new ones and other goodies, and allow founders to purchase it with only paying the difference between its cost and what we originally paid for our founders packs. Then players that missed out can get those founder mechs and can purchase a top tier IS pack for rewards, plus they and founders can also get a slew of newer mechs as well. Win for everyone!

[ShadowbaneX]

Zerberus, on 05 October 2014 - 02:56 PM, said:

Your beef is obviously with PGI not offering you what you want. My beef is with entitled people wanting **** for free that they didn`t do jack **** to earn, and is in no way even tangential to yours.

Who's asking for it to be free or not earn it? Some of us are asking for the ability to upgrade our Phoenix package, you know, like the A La Carte people are allowed to do. For the ability to upgrade, we'd obviously pay for it. So that would be people that wanted packages earlier and bought them, but perhaps weren't interested in the full package, or, like myself, were simply unable to afford them at the time, but are now able to.

Is that being entitled, or have I done jack **** to earn it?

[Zerberus]

ShadowbaneX, on 05 October 2014 - 03:35 PM, said:

Who's asking for it to be free or not earn it? Some of us are asking for the ability to upgrade our Phoenix package, you know, like the A La Carte people are allowed to do. For the ability to upgrade, we'd obviously pay for it. So that would be people that wanted packages earlier and bought them, but perhaps weren't interested in the full package, or, like myself, were simply unable to afford them at the time, but are now able to.

Is that being entitled, or have I done jack **** to earn it?

Like you said: Some.

My entire original post was primarily directed at kamiko`s argument about players that weren`t here and therefore couldn`t know. You know, the argument quoted that apparently nobody cares about becasue they´re too busy searching for something to be pissed off abouth? Those people that were not here , have not played x matches, and not bought mc, teh ones that have in fact done jack diddly **** to earn anything.

"OMG! I can`t buy a 1957 chevy new in 2014 and chevy is offering a cool perk to the owners of `57s!!! CHEVY!! Make it possible for me to buy the car new so I can qualify!" Is what that boils down to.

But apparently everybody wants to to somehow construe that and the answer to a condescending rebuttal to mean them specifically, be it due to their fionancial situation or whatever.

Be my guest, knock yourselves out, it`s your ulcer, not mine.

PS, Fun Fact: I couldn`t afford founders, either, but have you ever seen me complain about it, unlike dozens if not hundreds of other people in the last 3 years? Have you ever seen me complain at ALL about pricing, availability or similar?

People missed the boat, for whatever reason, and now they`re whining for the captain of the ferry that already left to turn back, even though there`s another perfectly good ferry sitting at the docks. It`s just not the ferry they personally want to take.

How exactly is there not a distinct sense of entitlement at play there?

[Belorion]

dario03, on 04 October 2014 - 01:56 PM, said:

So....
Spending $80 on a package get a King Crab.
Spend way more, (like in my example $240) over 3 packages and don't get a King Crab.

Sounds good to you...

You get a free mech yeah?

[dario03]

Belorion, on 05 October 2014 - 05:12 PM, said:

You get a free mech yeah?

In that example 1 less than people that spent far less. Yeah.

[Belorion]

dario03, on 05 October 2014 - 05:58 PM, said:

In that example 1 less than people that spent far less. Yeah.

And yet you will still have a chance to get an extra free mech when the new package comes out...

[dario03]

Belorion, on 05 October 2014 - 06:02 PM, said:

And yet you will still have a chance to get an extra free mech when the new package comes out...

Because people that already spent far more than Phoenix Overlord should definitely have to spend more money again to get what was added to Overlord long after it quit selling............

[Powder Puff Pew Pew]

I would love to buy a new IS package since I'm relitively new to MWO but not MW I never got the change to buy a IS package except for the Overlord. Techicly the Overlord pack was lost technology but still IS, but ancient stuff. Would the new mechs come with new paint? And how many mechs would there be in this $80. package?

EDIT: Also I feel its not fair for people who put in $ and made the desician to buy a game package back before the King Crab deal was brought to light, that would have poor Boasting value to people who are more senior than others. The fact we have Game tags, Game icons identifying our seniority and dedication compaired to other gamers. Giving every new person in the game the opertunity to get in on the goods would be intirely defeating. If you were here when the option was here to buy the Founders-Overlords-Clan packages then like I've said before over and over, quit your bitching and just buy the damn thing. Now every ******* who wants the king crab is here. -.-

Edited by Powder Puff Pew Pew, 05 October 2014 - 06:35 PM.

[R Razor]

Not wasting my time reading 36 pages of arguing, but it seems to me that perhaps a simple solution that is fair to both sides is to offer any member that was NOT a member when OVERLORD was released a limited window opportunity to purchase it. If you were a member and did not purchase OVERLORD (or FOUNDERS) when it was available then that is on you. This gives folks the same chance to get the freebie stuff that weren't around before.

For folks that had a chance to buy the package(s) and chose not to, although my personal opinion is "tough *****", maybe PGI could tack on a surcharge and make a buck or two and give those that will whine and cry if not given a chance to buy now the opportunity to do so.