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[A Man In A Can]

DeathjesterUK, on 18 September 2014 - 08:59 PM, said:

I see no Marauder or Urban Mech in those packs...your opinion is invalid sir!!! Good...day!

I know better than to pine for mechs that would require either extreme legal action or a complete redesign of the construction rules in order to include. Sorry. But my opinion holds more weight than yours if you cannot see that as truth.

[dario03]

I still think the easiest option is to add a second way to unlock them. Base it on money spent in the game in any way. Spent X amount of money on packs and MC then you get a King Crab.
No need to re-release packs, no need to rush a new pack.

[Lord de Seis]

Mechwarrior Mousse, on 18 September 2014 - 09:11 PM, said:

I know better than to pine for mechs that would require either extreme legal action or a complete redesign of the construction rules in order to include. Sorry. But my opinion holds more weight than yours if you cannot see that as truth.

Urban mech isn't unseen

[A Man In A Can]

Lord de Seis, on 18 September 2014 - 09:12 PM, said:

Urban mech isn't unseen

And how would you add a mech that has an engine with negative weight?

[ApolloKaras]

Mechwarrior Mousse, on 18 September 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

And how would you add a mech that has an engine with negative weight?

Negative weight?

[Lord de Seis]

Mechwarrior Mousse, on 18 September 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

And how would you add a mech that has an engine with negative weight?

Where are you getting that idea?

60 fusion standard, 1.5 tons.
http://www.mordel.ne...&cat=all&id=200

I would actually spend MC on a Urbanmech no word of a lie.

Edited by Lord de Seis, 18 September 2014 - 09:19 PM.

[SweetJackal]

Russ Bullock, on 18 September 2014 - 08:14 PM, said:

[...sniop...]

I want to hear your thoughts now on this, because it takes significant resources to develop one of these packages and we would need to have some idea on what the support level would be, how many would be interested?

Pretty much exactly my stance on the current issue at hand. While I wouldn't be opposed to the Phoenix Package being reopened and put up for sale for this purpose at exclusively the $80 price point I don't see a direct reason to either.

Building a new set of mechs for the IS, though a larger resource investment, is also a stronger prospect for revenue, This would also be a preoder package which means that the slated release dates can be managed to ensure proper time is spent on existing content, currently planned content and this newly conceived content.

Also, as said by other sources in other media, a certain company that we know as HG might be a little more open to leasing out or licensing out pieces of IP. So a chance at getting the Unseen to be Seen again is always a shot, beyond that there are plenty of IS mechs currently acceptable for in timeline that aren't in the game yet that could be released in a themed pack.

If you are needing ideas then you could even make a House Pack, a set of smaller packs that share a common pool of 2-3 mechs and one unique mech, all known to be aligned to the faction and the Pack Variant for each one being in House Colors and House Styling for the paint job. Mind you, I am aware of how much work this would be.

A good backup is the Clanbuster Pack, though the King Crab is expected to be in that by most players. Maybe the Crab being in it would make up for that?

Edit: I should be clear, I am speaking of a pre-order. Though it might be a case where there is a huge flood of mech packs in a short time (Wave 2 Clan, Wave 1 Clan, followed by whatever IS Mech Pack?) we are supposed to be getting a big part of CW before that, a huge pillar that has been promised for years, along with the ongoing IS Quirk pass. There are also means to reduce the negative perception of such a flood of mech packs that I would enjoy talking about in detail, though that would be a significant derail.

Edited by SuckyJack, 18 September 2014 - 09:23 PM.

[Johnny Reb]

Mechwarrior Mousse, on 18 September 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

And how would you add a mech that has an engine with negative weight?

Quirks maybe?

[Dark Jackal]

I certainly prefer any remaining things, especially Community Warfare, not be delayed as I was waiting for that since the beginning as a Founder. Now I understand we can't turn back the hands of time for certain things like the Founders or Phoenix program because they helped to get here where we are today. I really do appreciate the customer appreciation with the free 'Mechs having been with PGI think or thin taking a risk to restart this franchise.

Now, that being said, we need to be clear this will be a new thing like a X number of 'Mech "IS pack" as Russ states. The key constraint appears to be here is the free 'Mechs, in particular the King Crab. If the folks really want to buy the King Crab, I think they would be happy to just buy the 'Mech via MC Points, again, if they solely want just that. Now if they want the same customer appreciation, if it fits within PGI's budget, we could have another free King Crab but of a different variant. After all, the folks that are already eligible for the King Crab will now have a new IS pack with the only extra bonus being the same free 'Mech they will already get which will lose some appeal.

There's plenty of King Crabs to go around: (at least 5 not including a Hero variant)
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/King_Crab

I have a sneaking suspicion the variant we get is going to be the Clan Killer version but I doubt we will have infos just yet.

Now in terms of those 'Mechs, I'd really like certain unused "Phoenix 'Mechs", in particular a neat pack like the Crusader, Archer, Wasp (which I really like those three 'Mechs), and Marauder II. Since they're a Phoenix Re-Injection, this won't be the same art work from the original Unseen design but the Phoenix Design of the 'Mech being clearly a Phoenix package (if possible). At least in the case of the Wasp, there is of course the Primitive Design too but I'm asking for too many 'Mechs as it is.

Also, I'm still waiting for the Bounty Hunter Hero 'Mech.

[aniviron]

Russ Bullock, on 18 September 2014 - 08:14 PM, said:

If we look at the price points of the four qualifying packages they go from 120, 80, 240 and 120. Therefore the lowest price point was the Phoenix Overlord package and with that in mind I think any new program would at least need to match the 80$ package level. Also Piranha has never charged for one of these programs at these dollar amounts unless the value of the packages were high and the biggest part of that value was in the fact the chassis were all new.

So I think if we were to offer a package for IS players to get in order to qualify for the King Crab I think it would need to be a new 80$ package with new IS chassis.

I want to hear your thoughts now on this, because it takes significant resources to develop one of these packages and we would need to have some idea on what the support level would be, how many would be interested?

How about a limited time Operation Cancer, $60 for a Crab and a King Crab? People who are going to get the King Crab from having purchased the top tier of a previous package get custom geometry and a custom paint job, people who want the King Crab because of its iconic status still have an option to get it now without buying clan mechs, and people who get the KC from purchasing the top tier of an older package still get something special that they can show off.

[Joanna Conners]

I think a new IS package for $80 is an excellent idea and I support it.

[CycKath]

Even ignoring the King Crab situation, I am an automatic buy for any new Inner Sphere 'Mech pack.

[Zordicron]

YES to a new IS pack, but you should at least attempt to make it sortof follow the timeline a bit:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Clanbuster

KC is part of this group. I would like to see some of the others make it also, and go ahead and call it clan buster pack.

Dont include KC, not at 80 dollar price point- except, the prime variant with c-bill bonus would come anyway as reward. If you want to include the c-bill and 2 more, you should make it 4 mechs total and include KC then, HOWEVER, it would be hard to make it a reward if it is included in pack, hence i think you should not have it in there and go for 80 dollars.

I have wanted a Champion anyway for some time, and I see calls for a Black Knight also frequently, so I would fo those for sure. If you think 2 is enough for 80 dollar pack, there ya go.

if not, we have Hussar for another light, BUT it has a head mount gun, an ERLL looks like, might be problematic unless you remove something else from the head to make 2 slots available. Would be neat, up to you if that is possible.

The Wyvern........ it is not really art style to fit in this game. BUT, maybe Alex could whip somthing up to make it fit in better.

Basically for 80 dollars, put the two heavy in as they dont pose any issues with hardpoints or basic artwork themes. If you want to put out 4 for 120 dollars, put the light and medium in, and give out the KC then as the gift. OR, maybe just give out the whole KC chassis(c-bill bonus AND the two variants?) like you guys did with Mad Dog. I dont see it as unfair(free Assault vs heavy Mad Dog) as there wouldnt be an assault then in the actual package.

i would snap it up right off. Champion and BK are two mechs I have been hoping would get in eventually anyway.

[Shell Game]

Saxie, on 18 September 2014 - 08:29 PM, said:

Light: Urban Mech
Medium: Assassin
Heavy: Black Knight
Assault: Mauler

Urban Mech and Assassin would be the best pack yet. The Urban Mech is probably already done, given the frequency that the PGI staff mentions and makes references to it.
http://mwomercs.com/...he-battlefield/

This could be the "Urban Upgrade Pack" with a new city map.

[Lord de Seis]

Grasshopper before black knight

[A Man In A Can]

60 Rated engine in BT is 1.5 tons

In MWO it would be 1.5 + 3 (cockpit) + 1 (gyro) - 8 (external heatsinks) = -2.5 tons in MWO under the current rules.

[Lord de Seis]

Mechwarrior Mousse, on 18 September 2014 - 09:21 PM, said:

60 Rated engine in BT is 1.5 tons

In MWO it would be 1.5 + 3 (cockpit) + 1 (gyro) - 8 (external heatsinks) = -2.5 tons in MWO under the current rules.

Well.... It will need all the help it can get so... Sure?

Edited by Lord de Seis, 18 September 2014 - 09:23 PM.

[Greenjulius]

I hate free to play games and vowed to not play MWO early on, but finally broke down and started playing in may last year.

By the time I started to take MWO seriously, (early this year) Phoenix and Founder Packs were already over. I'm liking the direction PGI has been taking lately with more active weekend events and promising progress. I think you may have won me over as long as you guys keep up the good communication and provide fun events and items. (Free mechs, mechbays, etc) I've already put around $100 into MC so far this year, and have become very active because of events over the past 8 months.

I'd be up to paying for a quality IS pack. $80 for a Phoenix-like pack seems good to me.

[Valdemaar]

I don't really think phoenix or founders programs should be reopened. However, a new IS Mech pack, with price points at $20 per tier as the Phoenix pack was, would be a better way to handle it if possible. Plus, it was be a great way to further satisfy the community depending on what mechs you included. Personally, this is what I would hope to see:

Light - Urbanmech
Medium - Crab
Heavy - Black Knight
Assault - Zeus

[Kaeseblock]

Would be in for another 80$ IS pack. Especially if an Urbie is involved

Russ Bullock, on 18 September 2014 - 08:23 PM, said:

[,,,] however no I do not believe we could get this done by the same Dec 16th deadline. If there was interest we would need to meet and schedule internally but it would almost certainly need to slip into the new year guessing a date beyond that would be irresponsible at this point.

No problem there. The package can be delivered in early 2015/ in tasty slices