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#201 The Great Unwashed

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 11:39 PM

Having bought the Overlord and Clan mech paks I do not really like the idea of a new IS pack with a King Crab bonus because I already have it.

An alternative is to have a second king crab hero and put it on sale.

#202 CHH Badkarma

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 11:40 PM

View PostThe Great Unwashed, on 18 September 2014 - 11:39 PM, said:

Having bought the Overlord and Clan mech paks I do not really like the idea of a new IS pack with a King Crab bonus because I already have it.

An alternative is to have a second king crab hero and put it on sale.


Clearly logic has failed at this point, would you not agree?

#203 Whatzituyah

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 11:43 PM

View PostCHH Badkarma, on 18 September 2014 - 11:40 PM, said:


Clearly logic has failed at this point, would you not agree?


Lets put it this way you already have the bonus so you don't have to worry about it. This is just for the Inner Sphere mechs in a pack that you don't have to buy but if your an Inner Sphere and you want them then by all means.

#204 CHH Badkarma

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 11:44 PM

View PostWhatzituyah, on 18 September 2014 - 11:43 PM, said:


Lets put it this way you already have the bonus so you don't have to worry about it. This is just for the Inner Sphere mechs in a pack that you don't have to buy but if your an Inner Sphere and you want them then by all means.


oh I hear you, this just needs to stay within reason and not a list of wishes and wants that do not fit at this point in the game

#205 Karl Streiger

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 11:45 PM

View PostWhatzituyah, on 18 September 2014 - 11:43 PM, said:

Lets put it this way you already have the bonus so you don't have to worry about it. This is just for the Inner Sphere mechs in a pack that you don't have to buy but if your an Inner Sphere and you want them then by all means.

nah the problem is : NEW PACK -> MUST BUY

#206 Lord Perversor

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 11:45 PM

View PostRuss Bullock, on 18 September 2014 - 08:14 PM, said:

I want to hear your thoughts now on this, because it takes significant resources to develop one of these packages and we would need to have some idea on what the support level would be, how many would be interested?


Russ keep it simple with the King Crab issue.

Make it a Special edition 1st Aniversary Mech, gift it to eligible people, and also offer the chance to buy it as a Hero mech for a limited time just for those who want the C-bill bonus and the special paintjob.

#207 Iyica de Tylmarande

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 11:46 PM

If this new IS pack included the medium Crab yes. Too many humanoid IS mediums at this point. Also my OCD would like both crabs to exist in the game.

#208 Whatzituyah

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 11:46 PM

View PostKarl Streiger, on 18 September 2014 - 11:45 PM, said:

nah the problem is : NEW PACK -> MUST BUY


That only happened to me this time because they added the Mad Dog.

#209 Myke Pantera

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 11:47 PM

Yes i would like to see an IS mech package, although I have to say the current Clan Package is way more tempting than the first one due to higher speed caps for all of them but the Hellbringer which has ECM.

As for the IS Package, i'd suggest:
Light: Stinger or Wasp
Medium: Phoenix Hawk
Heavy: Warhammer or Marauder
Assault: Marauder II or Longbow

Ok, just kidding, although that would sell as hell, it's not worth the risk.

So a more serious suggestion:
If the Heavy Mech is either the Champion or the Lancelot, preferably the second one, i'll buy at least the heavy tier, unless the light is the UrbanMech, in which case i will not buy anything.

Edited by Myke Pantera, 19 September 2014 - 12:18 AM.


#210 Karl Streiger

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 11:49 PM

View PostWhatzituyah, on 18 September 2014 - 11:46 PM, said:


That only happened to me this time because they added the Mad Dog.

I'm not that strong - (and given the choice between virtual BattleMechs and to starve - i starve)

#211 Dark DeLaurel

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 11:49 PM

View PostKarl Streiger, on 18 September 2014 - 11:49 PM, said:

I'm not that strong - (and given the choice between virtual BattleMechs and to starve - i starve)


At least you are honest about it :)

#212 MischiefSC

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 11:50 PM

We don't need more energy boats for the IS. That's instantly making them second-tier.

Mixed AC/energy if they're going to be Clan-buster sort of mechs - that's what the IS does best.

A Black Knight would be a Quickdraw with no SRMs or JJs.

#213 Zuesacoatl

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 11:52 PM

View PostRuss Bullock, on 18 September 2014 - 09:30 PM, said:


Concept wise - Yes

Russ, to be honest, I am going to be buying the wave 2 for my bonus Mad Dog, I would need to see a list of possible chassis for the IS pack to see if I would buy, concept art even. I have spent a lot on faith, it would be cool if I could see a general concept of wht yo might have before I say hell yeah. I will not lie, I am probably going to buy the new IS pack regaurdless, but throw peeps like me a bone, I have seven kiddos, and finding ways to funnel money to my enjoyment is hard to do without upsetting the balance of life here lmao. A Zeus would be nice though.

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 11:53 PM

View PostWhatzituyah, on 18 September 2014 - 11:35 PM, said:

Heres an idea before I get off what about this mech http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Annihilator if clans can get something like it we deserve something similar too.


Apparently it was developed right before the Star League left the Inner Sphere. So while it was developed as an IS mech, I think they only exist in the possession of the Clans.

Skipping a long story but the Clans send the Wolf's Dragoons to the IS, the Wolf's Dragoons have Annihilators, and eventually they help out the IS so it seems reasonable to let the IS have them.

And honestly, we were lucky enough to actually get the Dire Wolf. I think you can add anything you want to the game with that thing in.

#215 Karl Streiger

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 11:55 PM

Oh the annihilator would be indeed interesting - consider how fast you can reach any position with at best 42kph (240 engine and Speed tweak) - even better its almost impossible to miss that Mech

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 12:00 AM

Öhm....why don't you make a separate programm ..... like IS ala carte or something ?
And for the largest tier IS ala carte its the King Crab as bonus ?

While I would appreciate a new IS Mech pack in genarally I simply can't and won't afford your prices guys. :(
And I realy would like to get some new Mechs and stuff.
But its just realy realy not enough bang for bucks.....sorry.
And I'm very very sure you would sell 3 times as much if you would cutt your prices by half.

Normaly you can get a fully fleshed out game for around 50€ ( ~65$ ) and that would be a premium+ title with DLCs !
For example StarCraft II was 39,99$ at release ( ultra large fanbase and hyped title ), Titanfall 34,85$ at release (to mention an other mecha game).
I know you compare Piranha and MWO to Wargaming and their World of XYZ...
But with all due respect .... its like comparing collegue boys boxing league with Vitali Klitschko !
Don't compare yourself with highgrade titles it hurts you MUCH.
ATM I don't even dare to admit I'm still playing MWO to my friends because they all tried it on my behalf but.... :unsure:

I realy realy like what you are trying to do with the Customer Appreciation Program and all the goodies.
Thats simply great !
Nobody has seen that comming awsome stuff. ^_^

#217 Alistair Winter

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 12:00 AM

Extremely disappointed in the community right now. A bunch of grown men using "you snooze, you lose" as an argument not to share their toys, because they don't feel special if new players have similar mechs as them. We all share a fondness for mechs, and I was hoping for a greater degree of sympathy towards people who weren't aware of this glorious game early enough.

Why would anyone feel better about themselves for not sharing mechs, to support the future of the game and create further revenue? It would basically let PGI sell "old rope".

I think Russ made a good compromise in this case.

There's so many people in this thread who just want to cling on to their mechs for dear life. "Nooo, don't let anyone else have the King Crab!"

I am disappoint.

Edited by Alistair Winter, 19 September 2014 - 12:02 AM.


#218 Steinar Bergstol

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 12:05 AM

As a Phoenix Overlord and Legendary Founder I see absolutely no problem with offering those who for whatever reason didn't or weren't able to get those packages a chance to buy a new IS pack to get the King Crab.

I would suggest making it a Macross Unseen pack :D, but I'm sure any such suggestion might cause Russ to send out Canadian Ninjas to assassinate me. I'm fairly certain he's completely fed up with people begging for those mechs when we all know it's not likely to happen in the forseeable future due to the particular situation with Harmony Gold.


How about this lineup?
Assault: Charger.
The original Fast Assault mech, and the mech which was later redesigned to become the Hatamoto.

Heavy: Grasshopper. 70 ton mobile jumper and one of the original 3025 TR mechs.

Medium: Chameleon.
Is it just me or does it strike anyone else as wrong that the mech used for generations to train mechwarriors in is not available to us? The Chameleon has canonically been the premiere training battlemech for medium and light mechwarriors since 2510. It's also one of the most common mechs in the Inner Sphere.

Light: Panther.
The original Small Mech with a Big Gun.

Also: Shame on those of my fellow founders and Phoenix owners who feel they have to preserve their "special snowflakeness" by speaking against a reissue of the founders or phoenix packs for those who didn't have a chance to get them (for whatever reason).

Edited by Steinar Bergstol, 19 September 2014 - 12:07 AM.


#219 GRiPSViGiL

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 12:18 AM

I am perfectly fine with a re-issue of Founders and Phoenix packs since the pre-order bonuses wouldn't be included.

#220 Desolator

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 12:19 AM

I would get another IS pack for $80, I would even be ok with $120 as that seems to be the new price point.

I am definately glad to see that the team read everything and took it all into consideration and came up with a reasonable option.

I have no allegiance to Clan or IS, I like the mechs I like regardless of faction.





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