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[Mystere]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 22 September 2014 - 03:59 PM, said:

There was no "other half of the message" in my email. That WAS the whole thing. Anything from Egomane was clarification AFTER the fact

And that's precisely what I meant. Reppu's message contained only the "there is still a chance to win" half. Egomane's had the other, more contentious, "even if there is no chance of winning" half.

[Mystere]

dario03, on 22 September 2014 - 03:25 PM, said:

Or they could improve the game and you could just deal with it since it wouldn't be a big deal. Stop worrying about your kdr, nobody can see it anyways.

How, many times does it have to be said that it does not have to have anything to do with K/D? It can as well be about "making the enemy earn the last kill".

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Mystere, on 22 September 2014 - 04:55 PM, said:

And that's precisely what I meant. Reppu's message contained only the "there is still a chance to win" half. Egomane's had the other, more contentious, "even if there is no chance of winning" half.

whoops lol I thought it meant Id left it out -.-

[Mystere]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 22 September 2014 - 05:01 PM, said:

whoops lol I thought it meant Id left it out -.-

You're forgiven ... this time.

[dario03]

Mystere, on 22 September 2014 - 04:59 PM, said:

How, many times does it have to be said that it does not have to have anything to do with K/D? It can as well be about "making the enemy earn the last kill".

Don't see the point but fine, the guys that are actually doing that could still do that.

[Mystere]

dario03, on 22 September 2014 - 05:21 PM, said:

Don't see the point but fine, the guys that are actually doing that could still do that.

Think of it in another way: Why should I make it easy for the enemy?

[dario03]

Mystere, on 22 September 2014 - 05:35 PM, said:

Think of it in another way: Why should I make it easy for the enemy?

Because its a video game and you're delaying the game. (those that just hide).

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Mystere, on 22 September 2014 - 05:07 PM, said:

You're forgiven ... this time.

Still cant quite get the hang of emotion through text and due to my past tend to go defensive first as a knee jerk.

My apologies XD

[Mystere]

dario03, on 22 September 2014 - 06:03 PM, said:

Because its a video game and you're delaying the game. (those that just hide).

No one is delaying the game. Everyone agreed to sign up for a potentially 15-minute match.

Edited by Mystere, 22 September 2014 - 08:03 PM.

[Foxwalker]

I don't see the point

Mystere, on 22 September 2014 - 04:59 PM, said:

How, many times does it have to be said that it does not have to have anything to do with K/D? It can as well be about "making the enemy earn the last kill".

That is actually sorta stupid, but OK. Why not force the issue. If the last man shuts down, the count down timer speeds up so the game ends sooner (Skirmish only).

Edited by Foxwalker, 22 September 2014 - 08:11 PM.

[Johnny Reb]

MischiefSC, on 21 September 2014 - 10:08 PM, said:

If you're the last person and the match is now just them trying to find where you hid while you hope to wait out a 15 minute timer? This isn't a fight at that point - it's just someone hiding and trying not to fight because they'll lose.

Well, I feel worse for the guy I accidentally tk than hiding when my weps are gone.

MischiefSC, on 21 September 2014 - 11:18 PM, said:

The problem is that it promotes bad behavior. Like I said; someone with no weapons who powers down I can understand a bit. Still a bit meh, but understandable. Someone who is still in fighting trim who runs off and hides? I report that.

I agree with that.

Edit: in the 4,000+ games I have played since closed beta I have shut down and hid, 20 tops, also like I said before when im a worthless mech anyway.

Edited by Johnny Reb, 22 September 2014 - 08:13 PM.

[Johnny Reb]

Jeb, on 21 September 2014 - 11:46 PM, said:

the problem I have with shutting down even if your mechs weapons are destroyed, is that you can still help your team... be a distraction, dmg sponge etc... seeing as tons of players don't target for some reason, a weaponless mech could be taking enough dmg for another mech to get a kill in without taking dmg...


Last players running off and shutting down IMO is silly... they could pull off a few kills... I have taken out 3-4 mechs as last man standing before... but in the end, really we have a match timer for a reason... if you don't want to play a full match, pick one of the 2 modes you can win without killing the other team...

BUT saying all that, IMO it's a cowards way out to:
1) hide and power down (unless it can give your team a win)
2) power down in the middle of a fight just cause the team lost a few players... fight to the end and die a hero... don't die like a coward...
3) be in an ecm light and just run all over the place without trying to fight... I love watching a light actually run around and pick people off... but if your just running and never try to engage, your a coward...

Even if your ct is cherry red? Movement and your not a distraction just dead!

Edited by Johnny Reb, 22 September 2014 - 08:44 PM.

[Johnny Reb]

r4plez, on 22 September 2014 - 11:10 AM, said:

Its a game, I dont care

Best post here! Deal and move along!

[Mystere]

Foxwalker, on 22 September 2014 - 08:06 PM, said:

I don't see the point

That is actually sorta stupid, but OK. Why not force the issue. If the last man shuts down, the count down timer speeds up so the game ends sooner (Skirmish only).

You cannot do that because the shut down mech might actually have a plan. It does not even have to be a plan to win. It may be a plan to get a last kill just as the timer is about to run out. Think of it as creating a "last man to die even though the war was already won" situation. That absolutely sucks for the victim.

[Johnny Reb]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 22 September 2014 - 04:12 PM, said:

Technically not much honor in giving up. I charge the ******** XD

Im gonna die either way, at least that way I die running at them lol

Faster that way too

When in a group yes. Alone in pug naw find me!

edit: I care 2 flying fookes abut my k/d ratio! I would run an Urbanmech just to run it. The k/d argument is weak at best!

Edited by Johnny Reb, 22 September 2014 - 09:07 PM.

[MischiefSC]

There is no victory condition of 'lose, but protect your KDR'.

Doing those sorts of cheap tricks to protect your KDR isn't part of the game or a 'core mechanic'.

However all I'm really talking about is people who find a corner, hide and logoff. If someone is around I'll ask what their plan is and cheer them on (unless that plan is hide and not die).

I'm a bit of a hypocrite though. While I won't report location of someone who's still logged in and I will warn someone who does that they can get reported for it, I wouldn't report it myself. Someone who does cheap tricks like that, making them game less fun for everyone (both teams) for their own KDR is a jackass and I don't feel any obligation to aid them in any way. Admittedly I've dropped in matches with people like that and dropped in matches with them later and pointedly didn't move to protect them (when I play ECM I'm generally very aggressive about protecting my fellow puggies) and just watched him get LRMed down.

In that way I'm sure it's self fulfilling behavior 'nobody helps anyone in PUGs so I'm going to screw everyone else for my own benefit' attitudes are probably right; for themselves. Because over time you learn to recognize those people, realize that they are playing against you even when they're on your team and you're generally better off just leaving them to it. Even when it involves standing behind them on ramps and such.

[Johnny Reb]

MischiefSC, on 22 September 2014 - 08:50 PM, said:

There is no victory condition of 'lose, but protect your KDR'.

Doing those sorts of cheap tricks to protect your KDR isn't part of the game or a 'core mechanic'.

However all I'm really talking about is people who find a corner, hide and logoff. If someone is around I'll ask what their plan is and cheer them on (unless that plan is hide and not die).

I'm a bit of a hypocrite though. While I won't report location of someone who's still logged in and I will warn someone who does that they can get reported for it, I wouldn't report it myself. Someone who does cheap tricks like that, making them game less fun for everyone (both teams) for their own KDR is a jackass and I don't feel any obligation to aid them in any way. Admittedly I've dropped in matches with people like that and dropped in matches with them later and pointedly didn't move to protect them (when I play ECM I'm generally very aggressive about protecting my fellow puggies) and just watched him get LRMed down.

In that way I'm sure it's self fulfilling behavior 'nobody helps anyone in PUGs so I'm going to screw everyone else for my own benefit' attitudes are probably right; for themselves. Because over time you learn to recognize those people, realize that they are playing against you even when they're on your team and you're generally better off just leaving them to it. Even when it involves standing behind them on ramps and such.

Heh, I disagree, when neutered its the find the guy game not a k/d thing!

edit: and if it wastes your precious time go to back to school and use that time in a more constructive way!

Edited by Johnny Reb, 22 September 2014 - 09:11 PM.

[Primalchrome]

TB Xiomburg, on 22 September 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

True, all of it. In two of those matches was beat to hell and reporting sounds and enemy locations on TS. The one were i fled to the corner and hid by our base with ecm and didnt shut down,i was going to snipe.

ROFL. What, pray tell, weapon allows you to snipe at 2000+ meters from across Alpine? I didn't realize that they'd put ArrowIV's in, allowing you to hit mechs in E6 from the map border at C2.

[MischiefSC]

Johnny Reb, on 22 September 2014 - 09:09 PM, said:

Heh, I disagree, when neutered its the find the guy game not a k/d thing!

edit: and if it wastes your precious time go to back to school and use that time in a more constructive way!

It wastes time for 23 people. Nice attempt to make an insult to justify trolling.

That you don't understand the concept or why it's a completely chickenshit thing to do pretty much answers why this thread exists.

[MauttyKoray]

CN9 ACE PILOT, on 21 September 2014 - 05:24 PM, said:

This can be somewhat situation though...

While is incredibly rare, i have come across quite a few matches where we need the last surviving teammate to hide and shutdown to win by resource gathering.

I would see it as unfair to them, but i see the other side way more often.

That is entirely different as it is part of the objective and is being done in order to further your objective of winning. Shutting down and finishing by resource collection on conquest is a legitimate method.

However, shutting down randomly somewhere on skirmish can be reported, as can assault though you'd think that the team would just cap a base.