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[ExplodedZombie]

CocoaJin, on 21 September 2014 - 05:30 PM, said:

There needs to be a retreat mechanic. Give the winners partial credit for the retreating mech as if it was killed. Retreaters would only be entitled to match rewards up to the point of retreat.

This way, players can make a choice of running at the enemy as the last man, or quickly ending the match for all.

And let it be on the Mechwarrior's record

[Devilsfury]

Demona, you are exactly the type of troll I was talking about. So you think its fine for 23 other people to sit there for 11 minutes? Please, go away!

[Joanna Conners]

ExplodedZombie, on 22 September 2014 - 10:25 AM, said:

And let it be on the Mechwarrior's record

That is completely reasonable. Mercs in particular should be able to quit the field. It is a fundamental part of their gameplay.

Devilsfury, on 22 September 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

Demona, you are exactly the type of troll I was talking about. So you think its fine for 23 other people to sit there for 11 minutes? Please, go away!

If anyone is trolling, it is you.

[Devilsfury]

Funny, you are the ONLY one in 5 pages supporting people running off and shutting down. You must be part of the Goons....

[Joanna Conners]

Devilsfury, on 22 September 2014 - 10:29 AM, said:

Funny, you are the ONLY one in 5 pages supporting people running off and shutting down. You must be part of the Goons....

I have not supported running off and shutting down. I have supported people shutting down in certain circumstances, as have others. If you think I am the only person saying things... then claiming I am saying things I am not, I have no reason to take you seriously. You are merely taking out your rage on me over a subject that seems to stall any sense of decency you might have in your treatment of others.

[Devilsfury]

Blah blah blah blah. When something right comes out of your mouth, people might listen. So in my situation that I put out, you basically said I was wrong. There are situations for shutting down. My example is not one. Did you even read my post or just immediately say, that we could jump out and use another mech?

[J0anna]

Pretty sure I'm in the minority here, but I'm perfectly fine with it. 1) At most it's 15 minutes of your life. So not like you lose your mech for the rest of the day. 2) You have absolutely NO right whatsoever to tell people how to enjoy THEIR game. If they want to run around, hide, do whatever, that's their choice, they are playing the game the way they want to.

[Joanna Conners]

Devilsfury, on 22 September 2014 - 10:34 AM, said:

Blah blah blah blah. When something right comes out of your mouth, people might listen. So in my situation that I put out, you basically said I was wrong. There are situations for shutting down. My example is not one. Did you even read my post or just immediately say, that we could jump out and use another mech?

People I care about listen to me, Devil. I care not otherwise. I do not need validation from you.

You did not give me enough information about the match or pilot you were raging about. I was not commenting on the match or pilot, but on your reaction and attitude. You have chosen to lose your cool. You have chosen to behave the way you are. If you are getting so angry about a game you need to step away and take a break. When I am ready to ragequit a match, I collect myself and remember that there are more important things in life to get worked up about. When I ragequit, I am ashamed that I got worked up enough to lose my cool.

[Sjorpha]

I don't think it's a problem with the players, it's a problem with the game. In conquest and assault there is no problem because if someone hides you can just cap for the win instead.

In skirmish it is indeed annoying when the last survivor hides, but as moenrg says above it really is up to the player how to enjoy his game. Remember lot's of people are roleplaying with themselves, and from a roleplaying perspective it might really matter whether you survive or not.

The REAL problem in my opinion is that disconnects counts as alive for the purpose of ending a match, that is a purely time wasting design flaw.

[Gierling]

This is the byproduct of stats.

If you made it so that stats were an optional part of the game it would help.

You really should just check a box on your profile for whether you want to record stats or not.

[Joanna Conners]

Moenrg, on 22 September 2014 - 10:36 AM, said:

Pretty sure I'm in the minority here, but I'm perfectly fine with it. 1) At most it's 15 minutes of your life. So not like you lose your mech for the rest of the day. 2) You have absolutely NO right whatsoever to tell people how to enjoy THEIR game. If they want to run around, hide, do whatever, that's their choice, they are playing the game the way they want to.

When it comes to MechWarrior, there are many people who insist you must only play as they dictate. Anything else and they treat you with disdain and contempt.

Many of us are guilty of getting into bickering matches with our own teams in random drops as well. The solution for all of us is to only drop with a team of like-minded friends if we cannot play well with others. Either that, or accept we will sometimes be frustrated when people behave in ways we consider to be absolutely freaking nuts. Maybe Devilsfury is irate that someone powered down, I might have lost my cool because a group is hiding and refusing to engage, maybe we both get upset because someone cannot hit the broad side of a barn.

If we do not like it we should not drop with PUGs.

That, as they say, is life.

Edited by Demona, 22 September 2014 - 10:56 AM.

[Revis Volek]

The shut down mechanic was also exploited during a few of the challenges....like the "Get 50 Wins" style ones.

Guys would enter as many drops as they can with as many mechs as they can just to find a good hiding spot, shut down and hope you got a win in that match. Power down, exit and repeat.

But outside of that what the problem? I think maybe 3% of matches i dont find the hiding Light mech with no arms. Especially when its 8-12 guys playing hide and go seek with him.

Edited by DarthRevis, 22 September 2014 - 10:57 AM.

[MischiefSC]

I see this once in a blue moon. I don't get where the issue is. If someone is still capable of fighting but instead runs off and powers down just to save his kdr I would report him. If support gets a lot of complaints on someone they will deal with it. When someone powers off and discoes generally people will call out his f9, same as they would for any other disco.

It happens rarely. If someone powers down as part of a tactical attempt to ambush then awesome. I have seen that like twice in the last year though.

What I am taking about is the guy who gets damaged but can still fight, runs off or jumps up where nobody can get to him and powers down and logs.

Generally someone who it still logged in has a plan. Totally cool with that. If someone is clearly being a **** though I would report them, that way if they are doing it frequently support will know.

[Joanna Conners]

DarthRevis, on 22 September 2014 - 10:54 AM, said:

The shut down mechanic was also exploited during a few of the challenges....like the "Get 50 Wins" style ones.

Guys would enter as many drops as they can with as many mechs as they can just to find a good hiding spot, shut down and hope you got a win in that match. Power down, exit and repeat.

Now that is just... tacky...

[Sandtiger]

Hmmmm... That is a tough one peeps. I can see both sides of the argument. NO! I am not fence sitting, so please here me out. I don't think it is right for people to run and power down. UNLESS, their weapons have been destroyed, and thus no chance of doing any more damage.

When I have been in that rare occasion I have always charged and tried to do what little damage I could by ramming the enemy mechs before I was taken down. I once watched a close game 11 to 11 where an assault had lost all weaponry and was ramming a one legged raven that was tearing him to pieces. The duel lasted nearly two minutes, and the assault actually Won! Too bad I was on the opposite team, and cheering for the Raven ~Grins.

On the OTHER hand. I understand roll playing. I'm greatly looking forward to it in the future. (CW won't get here fast enough for me) with that in mind. IF, a player is actually "roll playing", and he is simulating grabbing a$$ and beating feet. Then I have no problem hunting them down and demolishing them. (If we ever find them) But then again, that's why I love BOP. =] Sometimes I gettem, and sometimes I don't.

Cheers!
~Sand

[CocoaJin]

ExplodedZombie, on 22 September 2014 - 10:25 AM, said:

And let it be on the Mechwarrior's record

Ha, I may not be totally opposed to that...I'm not sure what the purpose would be except to provide ammunition to shame players. The thing is, retreat isn't always a bad thing, sometimes it's the sound, prudent and appropriate thing due if there is resource mechanic involved where resources are limited or it's replenishment is restricted.

Back with R&R my XL Cicada as a menace on the battle field. It was routinely a major contributor, but the last man standing. I'd frequently seek to minimize my losses once I was the last mech standing, I'd shut down and hide or keep my distance until the match ended. Taking enemy mechs as the situation allowed.

[r4plez]

Its a game, I dont care

[Primalchrome]

TB Xiomburg, on 21 September 2014 - 07:30 PM, said:

I will hide, shut down and do anything to get another kill or two.

This is the guy I witnessed either hide/shutdown or run away to a far corner of the map when he took damage. Three times this weekend. Three. Hiding with your nose in a corner is NOT getting another kill. It is not a viable tactic for a win when you're already down. It is particularly odious when you begin the process while the rest of your team is still engaged.

It is a sad attempt to make incremental improvements in your KDA because you lack the skill to do so otherwise. It results in 23 other players with a mech and modules locked down for an extra 5-8 minutes. One user getting his jollies at the expense of 23 is unacceptable.

I'm all for cheering on the last Jenner and howling when he gets kills....even better when he pulls out the win....but this ain't it.

[Brody319]

In Death Match with no other objectives, I think the tile the person is on should blink red to indicate where they are. Not an exact thing like showing them on the map, but just showing the tile they are in would be helpful, as you would know where to look. for example if they are hiding in F6, that should blink red on the map if they are there.

[RAM]

Valore, on 21 September 2014 - 07:42 PM, said:

Make your own judgements. Think f9 tells you where he is via co-ordinates if you're spectating. Tell the enemy where he is if you think he's griefing.

AssaultPig, on 22 September 2014 - 09:42 AM, said:

Shout them out via coords, and let the enemy team go kill them.

MischiefSC, on 22 September 2014 - 10:57 AM, said:

If someone is still capable of fighting but instead runs off and powers down just to save his kdr I would report him. If support gets a lot of complaints on someone they will deal with it. When someone powers off and discoes generally people will call out his f9, same as they would for any other disco.

Shutting down is not a reportable offence; however, as has been mentioned, betraying your teammate's location (Birddogging/Team Treason) is.


RAM
ELH

Edited by RAM, 23 September 2014 - 12:33 AM.