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[627]

While I don't like this chidish behavior either, you have to see is this way:

You let him escape. It was your mission to destroy all enemies and you let him get away. Your fault.

And in every single player campaign you'd lose your mission because of that so be happy you only have to wait for the clock and you still "win"

[MischiefSC]

The problem is that it promotes bad behavior. Like I said; someone with no weapons who powers down I can understand a bit. Still a bit meh, but understandable. Someone who is still in fighting trim who runs off and hides? I report that.

[-Natural Selection-]

If the mech is shut down for 60 secs, its location get marked on the map. Kinda like the smite/anti cap mod on the older COD servers.

[Jeb]

the problem I have with shutting down even if your mechs weapons are destroyed, is that you can still help your team... be a distraction, dmg sponge etc... seeing as tons of players don't target for some reason, a weaponless mech could be taking enough dmg for another mech to get a kill in without taking dmg...


Last players running off and shutting down IMO is silly... they could pull off a few kills... I have taken out 3-4 mechs as last man standing before... but in the end, really we have a match timer for a reason... if you don't want to play a full match, pick one of the 2 modes you can win without killing the other team...

BUT saying all that, IMO it's a cowards way out to:
1) hide and power down (unless it can give your team a win)
2) power down in the middle of a fight just cause the team lost a few players... fight to the end and die a hero... don't die like a coward...
3) be in an ecm light and just run all over the place without trying to fight... I love watching a light actually run around and pick people off... but if your just running and never try to engage, your a coward...

Edited by Jeb, 21 September 2014 - 11:47 PM.

[The Wakelord]

Levi Porphyrogenitus, on 21 September 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:

Assuming the player in question participated in the battle, he is perfectly justified in trying to escape and evade. This is most true if he plans to try to get his enemy to scatter so he can pick them off one at a time, but if the odds are overwhelming and he hasn't been sitting at the sideline in a pristine mech the whole time, then I see no justification for rancor toward him if he manages to get away and hide.

This is even more true in assault or conquest.

Also, fair warning, if he has participated meaningfully in the combat, then it is treason to report his position to the enemy team in an effort to get him killed sooner. If, however, he has been cowering and not participating and then runs off and powers down, then you can probably report him for attempted griefing (and the moral high ground would say you still can't tell the enemy where he is).

I see the word "treason" and know that you take the game very seriously. From this I deduce you are one of the aforementioned players who shutsdown even when it is a 11-0 game for "tactical reasons."

The only time I feel shutting down is acceptable (and even then, questionable) is a resource game and you are quite close to a victory. Even then, I prefer to hide-but-active over the cheatery shut-down.

[BumbleBee]

Even if you are stripped, you still have a radar that transmits data to your teammates.

Fun fact, .enemy mechs can be psyched out if they see 4-5 dorito's cresting a hill or rounding a corner. They dont necessarily know that 2 of those advancing Mechs are weaponless, and a spooked enemy can be killed more easily.

[Lupin]

I have had many reasons to walk away from a battle, no weapons, 12 to 1 odds, base capure timer. I do not see throwing away my mech as good.
If repair and rearm was still in game it would be ALOT worse.

If other team want me dead they will have to work for it. And I consider calling a team members locations out bad game play.

We need an option to leave battle field, but think there should be penalty for doing so to stop farming.

[Rick Rawlings]

MischiefSC, on 21 September 2014 - 09:53 PM, said:

Re read the quote; it's legit to win the match that way, not to troll both teams or protect your KDR.

That's not the only or even most complete quote on the subject. Also, again, neither trolling nor k/dr issues are the only reasons one might do that.

[hercules1981]

MischiefSC, on 21 September 2014 - 05:23 PM, said:

It's reportable. Report it and move on.

Right or because that player is doing something reportable means u could do something reportable like tell the other team where that player is and it will be a wash! Pretty sure the community would be fine with that.

[Catra Lanis]

Why are people so upset about this? I don't care. If someone shuts down even if it's skirmish I just think GL, don't let them find you. Then I do one of the following : 1) I jump into another mech 2) I stick around to see if they find him 3) I go get a soda and/or surf the net, checking back to see how it's going.

No big deal for me.

Edited by Catra Lanis, 22 September 2014 - 06:51 AM.

[MerryIguana]

If you are not willing to devote the whole 15 minutes to the match then try a different mode. Or just quit and play another mech....

[Dracol]

I have no issues with people powering down, accept one.

Skirmish mode, all your teammates are dead and the enemy out numbers you and has plenty of armor left, and you run and hide to wait out the clock for 8 to 10 minutes. Deplorable!

On conquest and assault, the winning team has the option to cap and end the match. On skirmish though, 1 person who wishes to preserve K/D should not have the ability to make 23 other people wait for their mechs back.

And I am not referring to those who are laying in ambush, just the fun suckers who want to preserve a useless stat. I mean you lost already, that's the only real stat that matters. If you can't help your team win, doesn't matter how good your K/D ratio is if you're losing more missions then winning.

[MeiSooHaityu]

This is very annoying, but doesn't seem to happen too often on Skirmish or Assault. It happens on Conquest, but it is a viable tactic for a win.

Imagine how much worse this would be if repair and rearm was implemented. If being destroyed cost you c-bills, plus a loss meant you could go negative, a ton more people would to this. You couldn't report them all it would happen so often.

[AssaultPig]

Shout them out via coords, and let the enemy team go kill them.

[Joanna Conners]

Blueduck, on 21 September 2014 - 06:30 PM, said:

Thanks for the feedback xhrit and demonia.

I don't think what you did was unreasonable xhrit, there was only a minute left after all. I don't do that as I prefer to let them kill me if they find me but its not like you made people wait on you for any considerable amount of time.

I hear what you're saying demonia but I frequently top 1,300 damage in my direwolf. Two matches ago I pulled in 7 kills with a 1000 damage. I never shut down; I feel if I'm in the game I should play even if it means losing.

So I guess my question to you is why would you even power down in the first place?

There are plenty of reasons to power down. That's why the mechanic is in the game. The biggest reason besides heat management is to avoid detection. I have had an entire lance power down and have the enemy walk right by us. While the enemy moves toward our forces, we power up and come in behind the enemy, cutting them down swiftly.

You can break target locks. You can lose someone in a smaller fight in the confusion of the battlefield and smoking wrecks strewn around. You then power up and strike with surprise.

You said you still play even if it means losing, but in the situations I described, I have already lost. My team already perished. If I can outfox the enemy for a small personal victory, why should I not do so?

[Joanna Conners]

BumbleBee, on 22 September 2014 - 12:53 AM, said:

Even if you are stripped, you still have a radar that transmits data to your teammates.

Fun fact, .enemy mechs can be psyched out if they see 4-5 dorito's cresting a hill or rounding a corner. They dont necessarily know that 2 of those advancing Mechs are weaponless, and a spooked enemy can be killed more easily.

Absolutely. There are plenty of things to be done when your team is still alive and fighting. Acting as a shield (even if you will only take one hit), scouting, moving under ECM still makes you look like a viable opponent, etc...

[MeiSooHaityu]

AssaultPig, on 22 September 2014 - 09:42 AM, said:

Shout them out via coords, and let the enemy team go kill them.

That is also against the rules and is reportable.

[Felix7007]

Running is acceptable. Hiding is not.

A light mech running away and engaging targets at range is a good tactic.
Running away to the furthest point on the map and shutting down when your team is loosing and waiting for the match to end is not acceptable.

I was in a match on alpine peaks last night where the last person on my team was up against the final two mechs and he had all weapons intact. Being the last one on our team, decided to run all the way to C3 and shut down to "save his K/D by not engaging".

Side note:
Our team was pushed off the I9 cliff and he fell half way down and powered down there too until everyone on his team was dead. Needless to say, he had a better chance of positively effecting his K/D by engaging with his team.

Edited by Felix7007, 22 September 2014 - 10:21 AM.

[Devilsfury]

I had a long talk with a Mod about powering down mechs. I understand certain situations but I had one that just blew my mind. We were on Terrible Therma on Skirmish mode and everyone rushed the middle. A huge brawl went down and we killed all of the enemy but one guy. It was 11-2 or so within 4 minutes of the start of the game. So the last guy runs off and powers down. So we have 10 people running around everywhere trying to find this guy for 11 minutes. 11 !! I understand if it was Conquest and you have a chance at winning.(if you had enough caps) He has zero chance at winning the game, so why be a douchebag? Yeah, yeah, I know you have the forum troll/knee pad guys say that, "you can join another game if you want!" Well, why should 23 other people suffer or have their mech locked in game because of 1 person trolling?? There is literally NO excuse besides someone being exactly that. TROLLING. So I talk to the Mod and he said that as long as he fired one shot and did damage, that this is not a violation, because we cant tell people how to play the game. Well, I call BS!! If you are causing others to wait or creating an atmosphere to where people are angry due to actions like this, it should be wrong and punishable. Padding or protecting your KDR is lame. And no, it is not the teams fault for not being able to find or kill him. I can literally get in any light mech, shoot once and then go hide somewhere. There are hundreds of places to hide on Terrible Therma to where you cant be found. So how is that justified??

[Joanna Conners]

Felix7007, on 22 September 2014 - 10:18 AM, said:

Running is acceptable. Hiding is not.

A light mech running away and engaging targets at range is a good tactic.
Running away to the furthest point on the map and shutting down when your team is loosing and waiting for the match to end is not acceptable.

I was in a match on alpine peaks last night where the last person on my team was up against the final two mechs and he had all weapons intact. Being the last one on our team, decided to run all the way to C3 and shut down to "save his K/D by not engaging".

Side note:
Our team was pushed off the I9 cliff and he fell half way down and powered down there too until everyone on his team was dead.

I call that absurd. There is no cunning in that, no work put in for the team, the only thing demonstrated there is an unwillingness to be involved. Unless someone has been engaged in battle and put their neck on the line they have no right to try and evade the enemy in a skirmish.

Devilsfury, on 22 September 2014 - 10:21 AM, said:

I had a long talk with a Mod about powering down mechs. I understand certain situations but I had one that just blew my mind. We were on Terrible Therma on Skirmish mode and everyone rushed the middle. A huge brawl went down and we killed all of the enemy but one guy. It was 11-2 or so within 4 minutes of the start of the game. So the last guy runs off and powers down. So we have 10 people running around everywhere trying to find this guy for 11 minutes. 11 !! I understand if it was Conquest and you have a chance at winning.(if you had enough caps) He has zero chance at winning the game, so why be a douchebag? Yeah, yeah, I know you have the forum troll/knee pad guys say that, "you can join another game if you want!" Well, why should 23 other people suffer or have their mech locked in game because of 1 person trolling?? There is literally NO excuse besides someone being exactly that. TROLLING. So I talk to the Mod and he said that as long as he fired one shot and did damage, that this is not a violation, because we cant tell people how to play the game. Well, I call BS!! If you are causing others to wait or creating an atmosphere to where people are angry due to actions like this, it should be wrong and punishable. Padding or protecting your KDR is lame. And no, it is not the teams fault for not being able to find or kill him. I can literally get in any light mech, shoot once and then go hide somewhere. There are hundreds of places to hide on Terrible Therma to where you cant be found. So how is that justified??

If people are angry and impatient it sounds more like a personal problem and something you should work on.