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[Tombstoner]

Seraphic Law, on 27 September 2014 - 02:40 PM, said:

During the last pod cast, Russ said because they weren't sure they would be clear from lawsuits.
But don't they have a legal department to look and check these things?

its the subjective opinion of HG thats the wild card. PGI does the work and releases a new alternate design and HG goes nope too close and sues.. then its up to a judge to decide...lots of time and money wasted....

[MeiSooHaityu]

For me, the worst thing about this lawsuit isn't the lack of mechs like the Marauder in MWO, its the lack of re-releases of old titles.

I'd love for games like MW2, MW2:Mercs, MW3, ETC... to be released on GOG.com. They can't be sold as is, and no one is going to modify the games to replace the offending mechs with other mechs.

You can get games like MW4 for free if you can find it, but compatibility issues make it hard to get running. That's why the GOG treatment would be great.

Sadly, those games are pretty much gone for good. Well, unless you have an old copy and are running it on a virtual machine :/

[C E Dwyer]

I honestly don't care anymore if another unseen/reseen arrives in the game.

I felt while the thunderbolt the trinity and locust were good impressions I can't stand the battlemaster, and while the percentage is an acceptable risk, for some, i'd rather not face another round of crushing disappointment as I did with the BM

[Gallowglas]

Cathy, on 29 September 2014 - 11:34 AM, said:

I honestly don't care anymore if another unseen/reseen arrives in the game.

I felt while the thunderbolt the trinity and locust were good impressions I can't stand the battlemaster, and while the percentage is an acceptable risk, for some, i'd rather not face another round of crushing disappointment as I did with the BM

I'm not criticizing your opinion but, rather, wish to have a better perspective on it: why is it better to see no version of the Marauder at all rather than have a version you don't like? Isn't that essentially a risk with any canon mech that's released? While many of the mechs that have been released embody the spirit of the original, there are a whole lot that are massive departures and, frankly, that's almost universally been for the better.

Mind you, I perhaps understand that the quality of the Unseen is substantially higher than that of any of the subsequent designs that FASA introduced themselves, so maybe that's the issue? I guess I could agree that tinkering with the design of something like the Stalker which was originally terrible is probably different than messing with something that's aesthetically pleasing to begin with.

For myself, I'd rather see them take a shot at a re-envisionment of the Marauder than never see it. While he's not 100%, Alex has a whole lot more hits than misses, at least from my artistic perspective.

[Scratx]

Gallowglas, on 29 September 2014 - 11:50 AM, said:

I'm not criticizing your opinion but, rather, wish to have a better perspective on it: why is it better to see no version of the Marauder at all rather than have a version you don't like? Isn't that essentially a risk with any canon mech that's released? While many of the mechs that have been released embody the spirit of the original, there are a whole lot that are massive departures and, frankly, that's almost universally been for the better.

Mind you, I perhaps understand that the quality of the Unseen is substantially higher than that of any of the subsequent designs that FASA introduced themselves, so maybe that's the issue? I guess I could agree that tinkering with the design of something like the Stalker which was originally terrible is probably different than messing with something that's aesthetically pleasing to begin with.

For myself, I'd rather see them take a shot at a re-envisionment of the Marauder than never see it. While he's not 100%, Alex has a whole lot more hits than misses, at least from my artistic perspective.

The problem is that unless the mech is ridiculously divorced from the canon imagery (to the point where there is nothing whatsoever in common), there is always a significant risk of Harmony Gold coming around and throwing a lawsuit over it.

It's not worth the risk without Harmony Gold saying "Yes, that's ok with us" or "Well, if you pay us X, you can do it" and PGI going for it.

This applies to all the HG-related Unseens.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

According to the devs on twitter "because harmony gold always gets a vote and they always vote no" and "player expectation"

Ill see if I cant find the picture on that one cause I asked them alreadt

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 29 September 2014 - 12:01 PM.

[Iron Riding Cowboy]

stjobe, on 29 September 2014 - 04:08 AM, said:

Because of a few things:
* The license to make miniatures is not the same license as the one to make video games/tv shows/movies/novels/what have you.
* Iron Wind Metals make no sculpts of the Unseen, only their Reseen variants.

The Unseen from Macross are the ones HG will block from anything that isn't of their own doing, and it's not the names of the 'mechs that's important but the likeness. Therefore, without HG's blessing, we'll never see

A Stinger looking like a Macross VF-1A
A Wasp looking like a VF-1S
A Valkyrie looking like a VF-1S
A Phoenix Hawk looking like a VF-1S
A Crusader looking like an Armored VF-1A
An Ostsol looking like a Zentraedi "Regult" Tactical Battle Pod
An Ostscout looking like a Regult Scout Pod
A Behemoth looking like a HWR-00-Mk.II Monster Heavy Weight Destroid
An Archer looking like a MBR-07-Mk.II Spartan Main Battle Destroid
A Warhammer looking like a MBR-04-MK.VI Tomahawk Main Battle Destroid
A Rifleman looking like a MBR-04-MK.X Defender Anti-Aircraft Defense Destroid
A Longbow looking like a SDR-04-Mk.XII Phalanx Space Defense Destroid
A Marauder looking like a Zentraedi "Glaug" Officer's Battle Pod

yet we allready have mechs that can fill that void by making some mechs a new variants.Example make a 75 ton king crab and give it the Marauder hard points. make a IS LOKI and call it the series1 Loki and give it the warhammer hard points? . See we don't need the Macross mechs we already got what we need to use to substitute. We need to quit being held back by macross and the !&!^ at HG.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Dimento Graven, on 29 September 2014 - 08:30 AM, said:

It feels like what's his name from Microsoft, buying up patents, sitting on them, waiting for some unsuspecting company to develop something similar, then suing the **** out of them for patent violations.

Or someone buying video game rights theyll never use

like wing commander

[MeiSooHaityu]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 29 September 2014 - 12:12 PM, said:

Or someone buying video game rights theyll never use

like wing commander

At least I can get almost all the Wing Commander games on GOG.com (strangely the WC: Privateer expansion isn't available), no such luck with MechWarrior.

Besides, I suppose Star Citizen is a spiritual successor do to speak...I guess.

In any case, blame the lack of Wing Commander game on that terrible...TERRIBLE... movie.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

oh wait wasnt me

(from twitter)

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Lockjaw: Whens the Marauder Pack going to be available?

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Bryan: Soon as Harmony Gold dissolves into the ether.

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Bhael Fire: You can't make a completely redesigned Marauder? After all, the name is BT IP, right?

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Bryan: We could. But the age old question - what are people's expectations?

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Serious Table: Have your concept artist draw a few designs, then have the community vote!

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Bryan: its not that simple..HG needs to vote as well and they always vote no

MeiSooHaityu, on 29 September 2014 - 12:18 PM, said:

At least I can get almost all the Wing Commander games on GOG.com (strangely the WC: Privateer expansion isn't available), no such luck with MechWarrior.

Besides, I suppose Star Citizen is a spiritual successor do to speak...I guess.

In any case, blame the lack of Wing Commander game on that terrible...TERRIBLE... movie.

wasnt it PGI that bought the WC rights?

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 29 September 2014 - 12:23 PM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Electronic Arts had it when Origin was making them. I'm not aware of EA licensing it to anyone else.

[Trashhead]

If Harmony Gold is sooo interested in money, why not give it to them ?

Sell the Marauder for MC only, and give 50% to Harmony Gold .
Hell, give them 100%, if you have to, as a sign of good will to both Harmony Gold and the players !
(Yes, I know, those employees are not going to pay themself. But remember: Sign of good will !)

The offer could look like this:

Dear Harmony Gold,

pleas take all the money we are going to make out of the Marauder-Sales.
YOu have to accept thogh, that we have no idea what amounbt of money this will add up to, as the customers will decide if they are going to buy a Marauder or not.
You might end up with making only a 100 $.

Take it or leave it.

Cincerly,
PGI
(Yes, I know I rather idealistic and naive, but so was probably the first person who ever tried to "cook" their meat before actually eating it; thank you who ever you were!)

About the design:
What Alex designed (see the sheet with the KingCrab on it, posted by William Mountbank somewhere on page 4 of this thread) is my personal favorite.
It even has the AC/5 centered, which in my oppinion is a must. I never really got it why FASA insisted on only 2 free slots in the CT; the Cannon is clearly mounted outside of the torso, so, what?
Go and install the Balistic-Slot in the left torso, but display every weapon mounted there as if it is mounted above the CT, please !
(I'd pay an extra 5 bucks if you do. )

About "it does not fit into IS:
I disagree. There are far more... alien looking desings then that, like... for instance... the original Marauder, imho, consists mainly of legs.
*pages to his old Technical Readout 3025*
How about the Wasp ? (yes, I know: unseen)
The Spider (even the re-designed version for MWO look kind of alien) ?
The original Jenner looks odd, as well.
The original Stalker looks like the designer of the legs was drunk!
And don't even mention the Ostman-Mechs! Those are designs I clearly which I could unsee, but I can't!

But this is just my personal opinion.


But back to the topic.
It's as simple as that:
Either HG accepts they could get only a decent amount of money out of PGI, because only a certain number of the players would pay real money for the Marauder, or we are not getting it.
Or something that bears the name "Marauder", but simply is not a Marauder.

[Metus regem]

MeiSooHaityu, on 29 September 2014 - 10:42 AM, said:

For me, the worst thing about this lawsuit isn't the lack of mechs like the Marauder in MWO, its the lack of re-releases of old titles.

I'd love for games like MW2, MW2:Mercs, MW3, ETC... to be released on GOG.com. They can't be sold as is, and no one is going to modify the games to replace the offending mechs with other mechs.

You can get games like MW4 for free if you can find it, but compatibility issues make it hard to get running. That's why the GOG treatment would be great.

Sadly, those games are pretty much gone for good. Well, unless you have an old copy and are running it on a virtual machine :/

If I remember the mech list right for MW3, I don't recall any unseen actually in the mech lists...


Featured BattleMechs

• Owens
  
• Puma (Adder)
  
• Firefly
  
• Bushwacker
  
• Blackhawk (Nova)
  
• Shadow Cat
  
• Strider
  
• Champion
  
• Cauldron-Born (Ebon Jaguar)
  
• Avatar
  
• Vulture (Mad Dog)
  
• Thor (Summoner)
  
• Orion
  
• Mad Cat (Timber Wolf)
  
• Supernova
  
• Sunder
  
• Annihilator
  
• Daishi (Dire Wolf)

• Atlas
  
• Awesome
  
• Centurion
  
• Clint IIC
  
• Masakari (Warhawk)
  
• Ryoken (Stormcrow)

Yup, just looked on Sarna, no unseen there.

http://www.sarna.net...MechWarrior_III

I think it's just in a weird copy rights place right now,

[Duke Hector]

you know what... i am sick of seeing these threads coming every couple of months

HG and macross will issue C&Ds just like they have in the past and they will do it again... just like in the mechwarrior 5 trailer...

http://ca.ign.com/ar...trouble-brewing


so all i have to say is that give it a rest already, why don't you just BE THANKFUL you at least have your jenner, locust, shadowhawk, thunderbolt and battlemaster.

i mean starting kickstarter, and making a whole new mech with the same hardpoints and look is really really silly and a waste of time and money on something would be better spent elsewhere...


and for those of you that still want to go all gungho you seriously are beating a dead horse and you need to stop i mean spend your energy and anger on something more productive in your life instead of a computer game.

Edited by Dan the Ice Man, 29 September 2014 - 12:50 PM.

[Hans Von Lohman]

Kyocera, on 27 September 2014 - 08:28 PM, said:

So if we add the Catapult's egg face for the torso we end up with...

...an IS Timberwolf!

Yay go me, I'm such a genius.

BattleTech already has that. It is called the Raksasha, a 75 ton Catapult with arms added to it to be a blatent Timberwolf copycat. The MG's are gone, and the LRMs are just LRM-10's, but it does have Artemis.

[Metus regem]

Hans Von Lohman, on 29 September 2014 - 12:58 PM, said:

BattleTech already has that. It is called the Raksasha, a 75 ton Catapult with arms added to it to be a blatent Timberwolf copycat. The MG's are gone, and the LRMs are just LRM-10's, but it does have Artemis.

Ahh that thing.... They say that mimicry is the highest form of flattery.... Still it is an interesting beast, till you find out it's got a 375XL, so easy kill.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Marauder, Warhammer, Archer, Rifleman.
All beloved mechs that are symbols of what Mechwarrior is, and if people still want them, how dare you keep trying to shut down their hopes and dreams of getting them.

Those are as Iconic as the Atlas in the BT/MW universe, I say go for it.

[Hans Von Lohman]

Metus regem, on 29 September 2014 - 01:07 PM, said:

Ahh that thing.... They say that mimicry is the highest form of flattery.... Still it is an interesting beast, till you find out it's got a 375XL, so easy kill.

But it isn't an Omni-Mech. The Raksasha is an IS normal mech, so we would be able to rip out that XL engine and put what we want into it.

There is also a variant that has an autocannon. It is a Rotary-AutoCannon-5, but I wouldn't mind seeing a Ultra-AC-5 instead and have that be in the game.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Ah, the Rakshasa, one of the more ugly mechs.

like this: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/White_Flame

[Metus regem]

Hans Von Lohman, on 29 September 2014 - 01:12 PM, said:

But it isn't an Omni-Mech. The Raksasha is an IS normal mech, so we would be able to rip out that XL engine and put what we want into it.

There is also a variant that has an autocannon. It is a Rotary-AutoCannon-5, but I wouldn't mind seeing a Ultra-AC-5 instead and have that be in the game.

-sigh- Battlemehcs shouldn't be able to remove their engines or change from Standard to Endo Steel, with out changing the model of the mech.