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[Hospy]

I think people are overstating the variants on the Grasshopper. There are just different variations of the missile in the head (LRM vs Streak), and different variety of energy weapons (swapping lasers for pulses, or swapping to PPCs) that will have little difference on the loadouts. To the best of my knowledge, there are no ballistic equipped Grasshoppers, so all the "variety" the Grasshopper has going for it is the dinky head mounted missile launcher.

The Black Knight at least would be a somewhat improved Orion for energy boating. The Grasshopper is just going to be a bad CTF-3D.

[Carrioncrows]

Grasshoppers get all the chicks!!!

VOTE GRASSHOPPER!!!

[Odanan]

This poll should have been:

- Grasshopper (a great mech from the Battletech Introductory Box)
- Guillotine (slightly better than the Grasshopper and probably more common)
- Black Knight (very powerful mech in TT and iconic for the MW4 fans, but rare and with variants mostly identical)
- Lancelot (ultra fast heavy mech, more common than the other 3 candidates and with very different variants)

My vote would be for the Lancelot or the Guillotine.

[El Bandito]

Hospy, on 10 October 2014 - 11:12 AM, said:

I think people are overstating the variants on the Grasshopper. There are just different variations of the missile in the head (LRM vs Streak), and different variety of energy weapons (swapping lasers for pulses, or swapping to PPCs) that will have little difference on the loadouts. To the best of my knowledge, there are no ballistic equipped Grasshoppers, so all the "variety" the Grasshopper has going for it is the dinky head mounted missile launcher.

The Black Knight at least would be a somewhat improved Orion for energy boating. The Grasshopper is just going to be a bad CTF-3D.

1. BK has even less varied loadouts due to being pure energy spammer.

2. Even a bad CTF-3D is better than energy boating Orion. Remember that.

Edited by El Bandito, 10 October 2014 - 11:37 AM.

[Sandpit]

The Hoppa

[Rebas Kradd]

Grasshopper has been leading by single-digits for about 24 hours now, KILL THE POLL

[Hospy]

El Bandito, on 10 October 2014 - 11:36 AM, said:

1. BK has even less varied loadouts due to being pure energy spammer.

2. Even a bad CTF-3D is better than energy boating Orion. Remember that.

Having a head mounted missile slot is apparently a selling point?

BK would have higher mounted energy slots in the torso compared to the Orion which, while not great, is at least a niche it could fill.

The Grasshopper is basically shooting lasers out of its waist.

Rebas Kradd, on 10 October 2014 - 11:57 AM, said:

Grasshopper has been leading by single-digits for about 24 hours now, KILL THE POLL

Black Knight was up by five last night.

[SgtMagor]

Black Hopper, Grass Knight ftw!

[Bishop Steiner]

Hospy, on 10 October 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

Having a head mounted missile slot is apparently a selling point?

BK would have higher mounted energy slots in the torso compared to the Orion which, while not great, is at least a niche it could fill.

The Grasshopper is basically shooting lasers out of its waist.



Black Knight was up by five last night.

Missiles are just a nice perk, which the BK doe snot have. The same as....JJs. Oh yeah. Those. Also, your "high" mount energy? Might matter if it was Battlemaster high. Instead of mid 6-pack like on the GH, it would be Nipple level on the BK. Whoppty-freaking-do.

Also, as of 11pm PST, actually the GH was up by 6.

[Bishop Steiner]

wanderer, on 10 October 2014 - 09:14 AM, said:

Heck, the Guillotine is a better 'Mech than the Grasshopper, AND remains in production as the downteched -4L. At least the single missile slot can be up to an LRM10. More roomy energy hardpoints are in the better protected torso as well (though the Guillotine would likely have 2E in the gun arm.). It can't quite zombie, but the CT-mounted launcher will likely work as long as the 'Mech does given adequate ammo and a likely ton of ammo in the head.

All valid points.

But the Guillotine is not one of the options given.

[Hospy]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 October 2014 - 12:20 PM, said:

Missiles are just a nice perk, which the BK doe snot have. The same as....JJs. Oh yeah. Those. Also, your "high" mount energy? Might matter if it was Battlemaster high. Instead of mid 6-pack like on the GH, it would be Nipple level on the BK. Whoppty-freaking-do.

Also, as of 11pm PST, actually the GH was up by 6.

I'm actually more comparing what the Black Knight gives us relative to the Orion to what the Grasshopper gives us relative to the Cataphract.

Black Knight gives us an energy oriented Orion with hardpoints that aren't at knee height.

The Grasshopper is just going to be a bad CTF-3D.

[Ultimax]

This poll battle is epic.

[sgt kiesel]

Not really sure why people keep mentioning "shield arms" as a pro for the black knight over the grasshopper...
In every media in which they have both appeared side by side, the grasshopper has had much bulkier arms and a much narrower torso than the black knight. Plus the grasshopper carries fewer weapons in the arms than the black night.

The black night has spindly little arms and a huge barrel chest.
The only times it had big arms was in MW4BK where they decided that anything spindly had to be replaced with boxy stumps (i.e. the hexagon on a swivel arms which replaced the marauder style omnipods on clan mechs,), and the MWDarkAge Clix game, which had massively divergent artstyle compared to the rest of the franchise. (which is the source for the "cool" looking black night BLK-NT-5H everyone keeps posting, which is from 3145, 93 years in future of the timeline.)

Also the Flashman is clearly superior.

Edited by sgt kiesel, 10 October 2014 - 01:15 PM.

[Soul Tribunal]

This is the Poll that never ends....it just goes on and on my friend....some people started posting not knowing what it was....and now we keep on arguing because because because.....this is the poll that never ends....

-ST

[ToxinTractor]

As of 4:46 PDT time on October 10th 2014 the poll is officially at 50%!!! such a tight race!

[Angel of Annihilation]

Yeah back to dead even yet again. Seriously I think it is pretty obvious there is going to be no clear winner here. PGI is just going to have to bite the bullet and work in both or figure out another way to eliminate the deadlock. Maybe a tournament where you either pick the BK or GH and earn points in game with winner being the team with the highest total points (all points counted, not just the top players).

[Timuroslav]

4,626 People is a huge voter turn out for thread posted poll for an online game. Holy crude. I didn't think the Grasshopper was that popular at all.

Have to admit though, I am a sucker for arm shields. Even though they just make bigger hit boxes; sigh*.

[NocturnalBeast]

Tied again! Come on Alex, post some concept art already, to help us make up our minds.

[nightstalkker]

I know its not suppose too appear until 3061 but I would love to have a Thanatos. it was one of the first IS Omni mechs.the THS-4T would be awesome to have and at 75 tons would get a lot of field time in my book!
heres the load out from sarana

THS-4T This Thanatos variant uses a lighter engine that reduces the top speed to 64km/h. It also replaces the extended range lasers with four Medium Pulse Lasers. It also carries the MRM-20, Guardian ECM Suite, and C3 slave of the standard Thanatos, but its main hitting power comes from the LB 20-X autocannon in the left arm. It mounts four jump jets, enough to cover 120 meters at a time. BV (2.0) = 1,760^[5]

[Kavoh]

Still exactly 50% as of this post oO. 2318 to 2318