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[Oderint dum Metuant]

Max Johnson, on 22 January 2015 - 05:26 PM, said:

GTX 960 build

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tqYz99

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($237.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock 3 113.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI Z87M GAMING Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill AEGIS 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($65.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive($79.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Cooler Master Elite V2 550W ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)

Base Total: $861.92
Mail-in Rebates: -$70.00
Shipping: $.99

Total: $782.91




Try to do a cheap color matched build with parts I would use myself and a GTX 960.

I modifed your build if your desperate for a 960 build, to remove the Coolermaster PSU (the only brand to have ever set on fire for me)

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/7JYCK8

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($30.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI Z87M GAMING Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($70.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($61.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive ($79.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($199.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($56.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $772.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-24 08:39 EST-0500

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Kuritaclan, on 24 January 2015 - 12:29 AM, said:

I don't think you will get a well rounded gaming rig for $600 (- it is a also question what you wanna do high/ultra settings on FullHD or higher Resolution with 60+ FPS?). I don't think it is worth to build rigs with a gtx 960, since its a pretty slow card for its price compared to older cards on the market. If you have such a low budget you may need to get second hand ware - get a 770 or a 280X or a 290.

Hi

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($25.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($7.40 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI Z97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($61.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($51.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($199.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($56.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $596.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-24 08:45 EST-0500

Now if you can find a second hand faster than a 960 card for a good price by all means that is an improvement.

Edited by DV McKenna, 24 January 2015 - 05:47 AM.

[Goose]

Intel Faceplant

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.95 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright MACHO 120 REV.A 46.2 CFM CPU Cooler ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-A (NFC Express Edition) ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($67.75 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($67.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Toshiba Product Series:DT01ACA 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($71.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 285 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($181.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec One ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($13.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $733.11
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-24 16:44 EST-0500

Base Total: $840.86
Promo Discounts: -$24.73
Mail-in Rebates: -$90.00
Shipping: $6.98
Total: $733.11

It's an oddball mobo, so deeply discounted it may not have had it's bios updated yet.

I saved ~$30 between the RAM and the HDD: Big Whoop; The cooler will fit in the case, with all of 5mm to spare: If you have to move it's fan around, for the RAMs sake, then [we] are in trouble.

Using ~43.8A out'a 49 on the 12V rail.

[Goose]

AMD Sunday

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8370E 3.3GHz 8-Core Processor ($184.29 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright MACHO 120 REV.A 46.2 CFM CPU Cooler ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($74.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: G.Skill Trident X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($110.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Toshiba Product Series:DT01ACA 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($71.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: HIS Radeon R9 280 3GB IceQ OC Video Card ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec TruePower Classic 650W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($13.98 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Arctic Cooling AFACO-120P2-GBA01 74.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($7.98 @ OutletPC)
Other: Antec SpotCool ($15.00)
Total: $799.17
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-24 17:22 EST-0500

Base Total: $843.18
Mail-in Rebates: -$45.00
Shipping: $0.99
Total: $799.17

I desided not to vent the cards' heat into the case, what with all the VRM stuff you hear about with AMDs, and then I had to get a new case … Then add an exhaust fan, too.

49.9A out of 54 on the 12V rail.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Goose, on 24 January 2015 - 02:25 PM, said:

AMD Sunday

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8370E 3.3GHz 8-Core Processor ($184.29 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright MACHO 120 REV.A 46.2 CFM CPU Cooler ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($74.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: G.Skill Trident X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($110.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Toshiba Product Series:DT01ACA 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($71.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: HIS Radeon R9 280 3GB IceQ OC Video Card ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec TruePower Classic 650W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($13.98 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Arctic Cooling AFACO-120P2-GBA01 74.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($7.98 @ OutletPC)
Other: Antec SpotCool ($15.00)
Total: $799.17
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-24 17:22 EST-0500

Base Total: $843.18
Mail-in Rebates: -$45.00
Shipping: $0.99
Total: $799.17

I desided not to vent the cards' heat into the case, what with all the VRM stuff you hear about with AMDs, and then I had to get a new case … Then add an exhaust fan, too.

49.9A out of 54 on the 12V rail.

Hey!
Your missing the disclaimer!

[Kuritaclan]

Good Jobb Goose. This AMD Setup looks well. I think a Antec TPC 550W would do it. The RAM may only go up to 2133MHz. But well rounded.

[Goose]

Kuritaclan, on 25 January 2015 - 03:24 AM, said:

I think a Antec TPC 550W would do it.

[Goose]

DV McKenna, on 25 January 2015 - 03:22 AM, said:

Hey! You're missing the disclaimer!

Jebus Rice: The last one was how many pages ago?

[clears throat]

Do remember any AMD build requires overclocking and a good-sized set of tweaks to settings and the user.cfg. You've Been Warned.

Member FDIC; Taxes, Titles, and Tags not included; Close cover before striking; Previous overclocks may not be indicative of future framerates; Some parts may not exist; Set Printer Foo; MW:O is for 'MechPorn, and should not be taken internally; There is water at the bottom of the ocean; Ultra/20: Apply directly to forehead; If you can read this, you are too close; …

[Smokeyjedi]

Goose, on 25 January 2015 - 02:01 PM, said:

Jebus Rice: The last one was how many pages ago?

[clears throat]

Do remember any AMD build requires overclocking and a good-sized set of tweaks to settings and the user.cfg. You've Been Warned.

Member FDIC; Taxes, Titles, and Tags not included; Close cover before striking; Previous overclocks may not be indicative of future framerates; Some parts may not exist; Set Printer Foo; MW:O is for 'MechPorn, and should not be taken internally; There is water at the bottom of the ocean; Ultra/20: Apply directly to forehead; If you can read this, you are too close; …

Oh the part where your brain is the cause of the money you could save. Having to do something, to get something, go figure.

[Goose]

Goose, on 11 June 2014 - 06:34 AM, said:

ninjitsu, on 10 June 2014 - 10:15 AM, said:

Why not go for a seagate drive?

Because

http://www.maximumpc...ty_matters_2015

[Kuritaclan]

Goose, on 25 January 2015 - 01:45 PM, said:

They pull up sensless math in psu calculators. Well if you choose a china self blow up psu, the numbers are ok, but it doesn't mather anyhow. - The AMD FX-8370E will consume 125 to 200W (a question of oc) including the system base it is like 250W to 300W max. The choosen GPU has 1x 8-Pin PCIe, 1x 6-Pin PCIe and gets over PCIe additional pwoer so in the peak a 280 consumes max 300W. In normal use it es around 200 to 250W. Since you don't have stress test load on GPU and CPU at the same time the consumed wattage is lower.

And by the way the Antec 550W is the same psu like the 650W, since they have the same Amps over the rails (its jsut another label, to make more bucks). The 450 and 750 pull less and more Amps, its poorer/better base in the psu on those both outside of the 550/650. Just compare 450, 550, 650 and 750. http://www.antec.com...698&fid=5022122

Edited by Kuritaclan, 25 January 2015 - 05:16 PM.

[Goose]

Intel [mumble]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($186.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Rosewill RCX-ZAIO-92 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($17.99 @ Amazon)
Thermal Compound: Prolimatech PK-1 1.5g Thermal Paste ($3.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z87M GAMING Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Toshiba Product Series:DT01ACA 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($68.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($152.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Silverstone PS09B MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($36.29 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ Micro Center)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Arctic Cooling Arctic F9 43.0 CFM 92mm Fan ($3.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $667.07
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-31 14:19 EST-0500

Base Total: $773.07
Promo Discounts: -$16.00
Mail-in Rebates: -$90.00
Total: $667.07

Spent and extra $5 on the PSU, so I wouldn't have to talk about using 40.3A out'a 40 on the 12V rail of a EVGA 500: Hope you don't mind.

The exhaust fan has it's own temp sensor, but it's out on a wire, so you need to place it; The card is not too tall for the case, from what I can find, and was all of $22 over a R7 270. There is a limit of 140mm for the CPU cooler, so watch out if you don't like the Rosewill …

[Goose]

AMD Saturday

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8370E 3.3GHz 8-Core Processor ($183.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Macho-120 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($74.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Toshiba Product Series:DT01ACA 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($68.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec One ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Enermax REVOLUTION X't 530W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($41.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $660.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-31 17:10 EST-0500

Base Total: $766.91
Promo Discounts: -$16.00
Mail-in Rebates: -$95.00
Shipping: $4.99
Total: $660.90

Once again, I'm cheating: This system, assuming a full 5GHz overclock, needs 43.1A on the 12V rail, and the PSU has 43. You could save $6 and get the EVGA 600 from the Intel build, above, and have 49A to play with, but I thought going Gold was moar important to and AMD build.

[Lord Letto]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.88 @ OutletPC)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($6.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($126.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($76.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung XP941 Series 128GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($133.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Thermaltake Commander MS-I ID ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (32/64-bit) ($104.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1007.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-01 12:55 EST-0500


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($164.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.88 @ OutletPC)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($6.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock 990FX Killer ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($121.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($76.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung XP941 Series 128GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($133.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Thermaltake Commander MS-I ID ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (32/64-bit) ($104.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $989.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-01 12:56 EST-0500

[Oderint dum Metuant]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.88 @ OutletPC)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($6.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($126.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Apotop 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($62.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $998.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-01 15:30 EST-0500

Pick a case to suit and your off with Gtx 980 performance for less.

(not suitable for 4K gaming due to the 960's narrow bus lane)

Edited by DV McKenna, 01 February 2015 - 12:33 PM.

[Kuritaclan]

Dual 960 for the lulz? 2GB Vrm is just lol for a SLI. Also the i5 4690k isn't enough for two GPUs. You will miss performance. 1600MHz RAM also hold back the System in a multi GPU Setup. This is a horrible recommendation.

This Setup is as bad as the Setup above useing XP941 Samsungs on a 10GB M.2 which hold back max speed and should be used on a Ultra M.2 Port with 4 Lanes bound.

And why 128GB SSDs on the XP941 i get it its a matter of price but wit Sata III, you have space for the system+programms and maybe one big game? 256GB should be better value for money nowadays.

Edited by Kuritaclan, 02 February 2015 - 03:24 AM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

DV McKenna, on 01 February 2015 - 12:31 PM, said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.88 @ OutletPC)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($6.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($126.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Apotop 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($62.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $998.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-01 15:30 EST-0500

Pick a case to suit and your off with Gtx 980 performance for less.

(not suitable for 4K gaming due to the 960's narrow bus lane)

Adding for UK/EU'er's who will be stung for more than our US friends had to substitute what wasn't available (RAM) and the gigabyte cards are cheaper.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£173.94 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£25.44 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£95.96 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Kingston Beast 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£55.02 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£51.35 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) (£164.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) (£164.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£72.98 @ Novatech)
Total: £840.61/$1263.60/ Euro 1114.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-02 11:21 GMT+0000

Kuritaclan, on 02 February 2015 - 03:16 AM, said:

Dual 960 for the lulz? 2GB Vrm is just lol for a SLI. Also the i5 4690k isn't enough for two GPUs. You will miss performance. 1600MHz RAM also hold back the System in a multi GPU Setup. This is a horrible recommendation.

This Setup is as bad as the Setup above useing XP941 Samsungs on a 10GB M.2 which hold back max speed and should be used on a Ultra M.2 Port with 4 Lanes bound.

2GB VRAM is plenty for single/dual screen setup there will be no problems there, the I5 4690K likewise will not bottle 2x960's in any significance when it is overclocked which and this was the point are equal to and surpass in some games a GTX 980 while costing less.
The benefits to the 980 remain that it will push multi monitor and 4K gaming better (wider bus lane)

Im also not sure why you feel 1600mhz RAM will hold the system back, i can't find any new tests the only one i can find is quite old and you can find the entire thing here http://www.anandtech.com/show/2792/12 but it's all similar results



RAM speed scaling yields very little difference

Edited by DV McKenna, 02 February 2015 - 03:39 AM.

[Kuritaclan]

DV McKenna, on 02 February 2015 - 03:27 AM, said:

2GB VRAM is plenty for single/dual screen setup there will be no problems there, the I5 4690K likewise will not bottle 2x960's in any significance when it is overclocked which and this was the point are equal to and surpass in some games a GTX 980 while costing less.
The benefits to the 980 remain that it will push multi monitor and 4K gaming better (wider bus lane)

Im also not sure why you feel 1600mhz RAM will hold the system back, i can't find any new tests the only one i can find is quite old and you can find the entire thing here http://www.anandtech.com/show/2792/12 but it's all similar results



RAM speed scaling yields very little difference

I talk of today games and games from now on what are heavly into multi threading. Those require for FullHD nearly the 2GB. Or even more than 2GB Vram or you will have adjust details/resolution/AA. So no.The 2GB VRAM are not enough for High Texture (even WatchDogs showed that bad Consol Ports need nowaday more for Ultra Settings) In a SLI what should boost the Performance to make higher FPS available by high Textures/AA this is counterproductive.So in the end nowadays graphic cards with 2GB VRAM are no future investion. For full HD it is okayish in a single GPU setup (and it limits in some games), but dual gpu no way.

The i5k hold the system back - you are free to lock it up since cache is the problem here. I know it since i have a person who had used a GTX770 SLI long ago, and a 960 is nothing more performance wise. So plz go and look up the difference. Even a i7k will not feed a dual GPU System perfect. Well it is not that much since the 960s are bad performance wise, but it stays true - and better performance cards will even more be set back. In the end also 8x/8x limit the System by a percentage of 1-3% to max available performance. If you add in games which are partially CPU limited you have even more performance bottleneck.

On the RAM itself it is proofed knowledge for example (SR- Single Ranked / DR -Double Ranked):


That a old engine like Far Cry 2 from 2008 don't show today requirments. As long as you have good multithread scaling and or high ipc scaling like in Starcarft 2 you have a limitiation by RAM.
http://forum.hwbot.o...ead.php?t=99059

Edited by Kuritaclan, 02 February 2015 - 08:07 PM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Kuritaclan, on 02 February 2015 - 03:35 AM, said:

The 2GB VRAM are not enough for High Texture (even WatchDogs showed that bad Consol Ports need nowaday more for Ultra Settings) In a SLI what should boost the Performance to make higher FPS available by high Textures/AA this is counterproductive.So in the end nowadays graphic cards with 2GB VRAM are no future investion. For full HD it is okayish in a single GPU setup (and it limits in some games), but dual gpu no way.

The i5k hold the system back - you are free to lock it up. I know it since i have a person who had used a GTX770 SLI long ago, and a 960 is nothing more performance wise. So plz go and look up the difference. Even a i7k will not set a dual GPU System back. Well it is not that much since the 960s are bad performance wise, but it stays true.

On the RAM itself it is proofed knowledge:

What i think you should read is here, http://hexus.net/tec...-ssc-2-way-sli/
The only game where the 960's struggle is Shadows of Mordor where the 2GB is not enough. Everything else they deliver top end performance.

The graph you have there shows an 8FPS difference between 1600mhz and 2666 i wouldn't call that holding back...it's practically nothing when you consider the cost difference between 1600 and 2666.

From your previous comments in this thread i think you fail to grasp it's point, if everyone could afford top end parts...they would...but that's not what this thread is about with it's budget limits.

[Kuritaclan]

DV McKenna, on 02 February 2015 - 03:47 AM, said:

What i think you should read is here, http://hexus.net/tec...-ssc-2-way-sli/
The only game where the 960's struggle is Shadows of Mordor where the 2GB is not enough. Everything else they deliver top end performance.

The graph you have there shows an 8FPS difference between 1600mhz and 2666 i wouldn't call that holding back...it's practically nothing when you consider the cost difference between 1600 and 2666.

From your previous comments in this thread i think you fail to grasp it's point, if everyone could afford top end parts...they would...but that's not what this thread is about with it's budget limits.

Well you have a performance lose in Memory, in CPU and the Performance of Dual GTX960 is also nothing worth.

Shadow of Mordor is not the first Example where 2GB is not enough.


See the Difference between 770 with 2GB and 4GB Version. Min FPS are critical. And this problem will stand as new games get into the market.

2GB is just not enough for a gpu what is state of the art and should performe some years from now on.

All together you have more of a single gpu system for 1300€/$ then a dual GPU 960 setup.

Just my 2 cent.

Edited by Kuritaclan, 02 February 2015 - 08:20 PM.