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[Oderint dum Metuant]

Kuritaclan, on 02 February 2015 - 03:54 AM, said:

Well you have a performance lose in Memory, in CPU and the Performance of Dual GTX960 is also nothing worth.

Shadow of Mordor is not the first Example where 2GB is not enough.

See the Difference between 770 with 2GB and 4GB Version. Min FPS are critical. And this problem will stand as new games get into the market.

2GB is just not enough for a gpu what is state of the art and should performe some years from now on.

Your link doesn't work.

Also to the I5 vs I7 SLI debate...again not much out there

http://www.anandtech...ptember-2013/10

Difference not alot.

[Kuritaclan]

DV McKenna, on 02 February 2015 - 03:55 AM, said:

Your link doesn't work.

Also to the I5 vs I7 SLI debate...again not much out there

http://www.anandtech...ptember-2013/10

Difference not alot.

The Test is from 2013. The only game i on first look see is a multithreating optimized game is Metro 2033. Also this tests don't factor in oc - oc the cache ratio -> you will get performance gain via RAM what will hold the system back by it self. It adds up via multiplication. Here 5% there 5% plus on another corner 5% and not to mention the min FPS Problem with 2GB VRM and you have a **** of a system for to much money spend. Now i'm out, because it is usless when i say it is a problem and you can not see the difference beween like 21FPS (what is unplayable) and 36FPS (what is still bad) in the above example.

Edit: now i upload the pic of watch dogs. Idk why it didn't get showed form original site.

Edited by Kuritaclan, 02 February 2015 - 08:23 PM.

[Flapdrol]

I'd also recommend a single 970 over 2 960's.

[Smokeyjedi]

I just wonder how they close to saturating that lowly 128 bit memory interface....how much could it possibly be good for? in terms of bandwidth.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Flapdrol, on 02 February 2015 - 04:08 AM, said:

I'd also recommend a single 970 over 2 960's.

The 970 is cheaper but performs worse but if you can find the funds in the future to drop a second one.. Totally

[Kuritaclan]

I would bet a dime, that the AMD 380/390 can be nearly outperform the 960SLI in many games out of the performance previews which got leaked. It is a quest how god SLI is implemented in the games, when you only gain factor 1.5 performance out of both cards this will be the case if it is 1.75 it is roughly the same and not that much games scale better on dual gpu. So in the end w8 for new amd cards and it should be better. Or by a 970/980 now and get a second card maybee later (but in the end this is also usless, since in 2-3 years a then outcoming gpu will crack the sli/cf performance mostlikely and you then be stuck with higher power consumption of the second card and microshuttering). SLI/CF in Multi GPU Setups is only usefull if you wanna have now as much performance as you can possible get for a certain resolution/detail lvl and for sure if you have no money isues at all.

Edited by Kuritaclan, 02 February 2015 - 04:33 AM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Kuritaclan, on 02 February 2015 - 04:29 AM, said:

I would bet a dime, that the AMD 380/390 can be nearly outperform the 960SLI in many games out of the performance previews which got leaked. It is a quest how god SLI is implemented in the games, when you only gain factor 1.5 performance out of both cards this will be the case if it is 1.75 it is roughly the same and not that much games scale better on dual gpu. So in the end w8 for new amd cards and it should be better. Or by a 970/980 now and get a second card maybee later (but in the end this is also usless, since in 2-3 years a then outcoming gpu will crack the sli/cf performance mostlikely). SLI/CF in Multi GPU Setups is only usefull if you wanna have now as much performance as you can possible get for a certain resolution/detail lvl and for sure if you have no money isues at all.

I would certainly hope that AMDs new top line tech out performs a dual mid range last gen pair.

[Flapdrol]

The price/performance of a 970 is about the same as a 960. Sli 960's might work well in a lot of games, but multigpu has been problematic in many new games this year, and there's always inherent issues, like higher latency. Also 2GB vram is too low for $400 of gpu. I really wouldn't sli 960's.

[Kuritaclan]

We will see, hopefully AMD stands true on it's time schedule. I'm bored that AMD isn't capable to deliver the new GPU generation. I anticipated it 2014 in November like most did to counter the Maxwells. Now they think of Q2 2015 - whenever this will be.

Edited by Kuritaclan, 02 February 2015 - 04:38 AM.

[Lord Letto]

Kuritaclan, on 02 February 2015 - 04:37 AM, said:

We will see, hopefully AMD stands true on it's time schedule. I'm bored that AMD isn't capable to deliver the new GPU generation. I anticipated it 2014 in November like most did to counter the Maxwells. Now they think of Q2 2015 - whenever this will be.

sometime between April 1st & June 30th.

[Goose]

I damn-well feel like it

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$5 for shipping from FronzenCPU is a little low, but meh …

No, the cooler isn't gon'a handle an overclock, but it cost moar to get the non-K model; http://www.extreme.o...n.com/PSUEngine doesn't have the GTX 960 in it, yet, so I used a 970 for the math, and that way-high number says the PSU will handle an overclock just fine. :-]

No, you don't use the fan that came with the cooler at all.

Yes, you replace the factory case fans.

No, I can't think of a diffrent video card to put in this: You really want a cross-flow cooler in a little case like this, and the R9 280 I like is too tall for the mounting bracket by ~15mm … Then you need to up-size the PSU.

Dat optical drive.

[Goose]

Intel Yesterday

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So I decide it's Expesive Week, and NewEgg puts it's 660s on sale.

No, the HAF doesn't have a USB3.0 port, nor do you get to keep the "middle" drive cage with this video card.

Yes, the first Gold Plus I found was way over-sized, but it only cost me another $10.

I hope you like red LEDs …

[Goose]

AMD Today

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Why reinvent the wheel?

I decided I wanted a heat pipe on the mobo, and this Asus was the cheapest to do so; The CAS9, DDR3-2400 RAM I like keeps coming and going: I'm hoping this GeiL stuff will do …

[Lord Letto]

Budget Intel for under $550:
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[Oderint dum Metuant]

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[Goose]

Intel Friday

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I was thinking of some bad compromises for this week, but then I got a grip. Even then, I don't know that I'd use this case as a monitor stand …

32.5A out'a 38 on the 12V rail.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

The " I still won't give you +60FPS constantly build"

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[Lord Letto]

Satan got his hands on this one:
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[Flapdrol]

DV McKenna, on 13 February 2015 - 12:00 PM, said:

The " I still won't give you +60FPS constantly build"

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Maybe make it a bit more expensive with one of them 40 pci-e lanes, the 5820K only has 28, so one of the gpu's has to go in x8

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Flapdrol, on 13 February 2015 - 02:13 PM, said:

Maybe make it a bit more expensive with one of them 40 pci-e lanes, the 5820K only has 28, so one of the gpu's has to go in x8

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Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($174.99 @ Newegg)
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Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 295X2 8GB Devil 13 Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($667.57 @ Newegg)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 295X2 8GB Devil 13 Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($667.57 @ Newegg)
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Better?