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[xWiredx]

Low-end build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($115.99 @ Directron)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper T2 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($12.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($51.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R7 360 2GB Core Edition Video Card ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Thermaltake Versa H23 ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($89.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $530.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-30 13:21 EST-0500

High-end build (within the $1100 limit)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H80i GT 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z170 PRO GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($162.99 @ Directron)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3333 Memory ($91.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($81.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 380 4GB NITRO Dual-X OC Video Card ($208.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Graphite Series 230T Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($89.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1069.29
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-30 13:42 EST-0500

[Goose]

DV McKenna, on 30 December 2015 - 09:44 AM, said:

K series chips need no longer apply.

Says what testing? Even if you got +15% out'a your BCLK, did it get you to a critical mass?

And what kind'a cooling did it take?

Edited by Goose, 30 December 2015 - 02:06 PM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Goose, on 30 December 2015 - 01:13 PM, said:

Says what testing? Even if you got +15% out'a your BCLK, did it get you to a critical mass?

And what kind'a cooling did it take?

Says the testing that shows 6400's getting to 4.4Ghz and 6500's 4.5 on either air or basic liquid, overclockers are shipping 8pack approved gear with Alpenfohn Brocken 2's and their low end own brand 120MM liquid AIO.

http://www.eurogamer...-be-overclocked

Which are some promising results considering the cost savings on the chips themselves.

http://forums.overcl....php?t=18709076

http://forums.overcl....php?t=18709079

Edited by DV McKenna, 30 December 2015 - 03:02 PM.

[Goose]

Intel Drank it all

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core OEM/Tray Processor ($219.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Macho Rev.B 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler ($64.74 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-Plus ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($61.00 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: G.Skill Phoenix FTL 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($63.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($82.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB SSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($317.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Rosewill Challenger S ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHDS118-04 DVD/CD Drive ($12.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $975.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Base Total: $1025.76
Promo Discounts: -$10.00
Mail-in Rebates: -$50.00
Shipping: $9.79
Total: $975.55

I'm guessing a Challenger case is still good …

36.4A out'a 54 on the 12V rail

[Goose]

AMD Hangover

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8370E 3.3GHz 8-Core Processor ($189.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Macho Rev.B 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler ($64.74 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($96.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: G.Skill Phoenix FTL 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($63.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($82.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB SSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($317.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Rosewill Challenger S ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($86.50 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHDS118-04 DVD/CD Drive ($12.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case Fan: Antec SPOTCOOL Fan ($13.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1027.03
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Base Total: $1053.74
Promo Discounts: -$10.00
Mail-in Rebates: -$35.00
Shipping: $18.29
Total: $1027.03

Good luck making the Spotcool fit …

50.8 out'a 62.4A on the 12V rail

[Lord Letto]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($253.87 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z170M-E D3 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($109.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Crucial BX200 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($63.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R7 370 2GB Video Card ($119.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($71.50 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer ($13.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $799.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-08 16:19 EST-0500

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core OEM/Tray Processor ($219.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z97 Killer ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($92.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Crucial BX200 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($63.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB SuperSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($179.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer ($13.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $792.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-08 16:28 EST-0500

[xWiredx]

Guys, when suggesting Haswell-E/Skylake-based builds with DDR4, I'd highly recommend not going lower than DDR4-2666, and if possible, keep it above DDR4-2800. Until you hit somewhere in the 2800-3000 range, DDR4 is generally slower than DDR3 due to the latencies. The last thing you want to do is lose ground, right? So I'd specifically recommend these for the best results:

For Haswell-E systems utilizing quad-channel DDR4, anything from DDR4-2666 CL16.
For Skylake systems utilizing dual-channel DDR4, anything from DDR4-3000 CL16.

Obviously if you can go faster, you should.

[Goose]

Intel Friday

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($80.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive ($94.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 950 2GB Video Card ($143.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake Commander MS/I Snow Edition (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($27.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($30.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $615.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Base Total: $657.72
Mail-in Rebates: -$50.00
Shipping: $7.97
Total: $615.69

$12 extra for the CPU; ~$30 for an nVidia card; I skipped the optical drive.

20.6A out'a 32 on the 12V rail

[Lord Letto]

xWiredx, on 08 January 2016 - 01:37 PM, said:

Guys, when suggesting Haswell-E/Skylake-based builds with DDR4, I'd highly recommend not going lower than DDR4-2666, and if possible, keep it above DDR4-2800. Until you hit somewhere in the 2800-3000 range, DDR4 is generally slower than DDR3 due to the latencies. The last thing you want to do is lose ground, right? So I'd specifically recommend these for the best results:

For Haswell-E systems utilizing quad-channel DDR4, anything from DDR4-2666 CL16.
For Skylake systems utilizing dual-channel DDR4, anything from DDR4-3000 CL16.

Obviously if you can go faster, you should.

and incase you missed it, the Skylake build I posted above uses DDR3-2400 CL10, Cause there are Z170 boards that use DDR3 instead of DDR4, DDR4 still isn't up there with DDR3 yet when it comes to speed/performance (MHz/CL=Performance, so 2400/10=240 while 3000/16=187.5, the higher the better)

Edited by Lord Letto, 08 January 2016 - 04:19 PM.

[xWiredx]

It was really more of a "hey, I probably haven't said anything and some people will just assume..."

[Goose]

AMD Saturday

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8370E 3.3GHz 8-Core Processor ($189.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS9900MAX-R CPU Cooler ($48.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($85.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.95 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R7 370 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $640.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-09 14:20 EST-0500

Base Total: $685.69
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Total: $640.69



42.2 out'a 53A on the 12V rail

[Goose]

http://www.tomshardw...sets,30962.html

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Goose, on 09 January 2016 - 07:22 PM, said:

http://www.tomshardw...sets,30962.html

i don't know of anyone that i talk to that really expected it to work on non Z170 boards.
It was just never going to happen.

[Goose]

Well, like it said, SuperMicro has one.

But more worrying is all the reporting on function-loss involved with this shtick: No HyperThreading or C-States could make an AMD build good in comparison …

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Goose, on 10 January 2016 - 11:17 AM, said:

Well, like it said, SuperMicro has one.

But more worrying is all the reporting on function-loss involved with this shtick: No HyperThreading or C-States could make an AMD build good in comparison …

And Supermicro isn't anyone i would buy a board from.

That's only on non Z170 boards, buy a Z170 board and you still get Hyperthredding.
C states isn't so much of a loss, never use it on any overclocked chip anyway and it's not such a major power saver.


Your almost clutching at straws for something you don't like the idea of, and im not sure why non K series overclocking is a good thing for the budget consumer.

Edited by DV McKenna, 11 January 2016 - 01:15 AM.

[Goose]

An extra 0.16V thought the cores when idle, which is what my system does 50% of the time it's awake, is not nothing …

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Goose, on 11 January 2016 - 10:42 AM, said:

An extra 0.16V thought the cores when idle, which is what my system does 50% of the time it's awake, is not nothing …

And yet the difference in consumption is nothing.
Shoving variable voltages through a CPU over years is likely to be a bigger problem than a steady feed.

There are plenty of overclockers out there that disable C states and eist (because it's another set of variables to cause problems) . Just as there are plenty that don't.
One could argue that if your overclocking power and bills is not on your list of priorities.

[Goose]

Soooo it's strictly heat that compels one to find the lowest volts for a clock?

[xWiredx]

Mostly. I guess in a situation where one is using a really cheap board and trying to shoot for high overclocks it might also be a consideration to keep the power delivery chain from failing prematurely. Heat is usually the consideration, though. Why generate more heat to dissipate than you need to, right?

[Oderint dum Metuant]

For me when I overclock a chip I look to find the maximum I can go to with the equipment I have and the environment stable and heat is a big part of that.

I don't think I've ever run with cstates enabled, there were also user tests that found cstates impact SSD speeds, but those weren't done by an official source soooo..forget those

The increased consumption of the cpu doesn't even register on my scale, with the amount of tech I have in my house (media storage plex server and HTPC to do the lifting etc! Laptops, consoles etc etc) there would be more places I can cut my bills than a few volts on my cpu.

Edited by DV McKenna, 11 January 2016 - 02:35 PM.