Amarus Cameron, on 28 June 2012 - 03:40 AM, said:
See that is part of the problem Clan Smoke Jaguar is not some saturday morning cartoon bad buy clan, that is what twilight of the clans had them painted as but fighting with other jags, even getting to know legit FASA Jaguars, that just was not the case. The Inner Sphere wanted a bad guy, we got chosen, so when the kicked the snot out of us (no clan can win alone against the entire military of the IS) what was written was from their eyes. So we get painted as super evil, my character is much more dynamic than that.
Fire we have been over this ten thousand times, I recognize what the story was saying, I just refuse to accept and live with that, if that is my only choice then I died on the battlements of the Great Pyramid, our Genetic Repository.
The Original Jags did have it going on. You should tell us about your character...!
FireNova, on 28 June 2012 - 03:57 AM, said:
Yes, the Jaguars are indeed responsible for Londerholm and Turtle Bay and a number other areas they poorly tried to control which led to tragic results and hence a loss of respect not to mention alot of hatred for CSJ.
But why should this mean that the Word of Blake/Comstar should be excused for
nuking multiple planets and establishing
re-education camps and keeping Star League technology out of the hands of the Successor States to prevent the improvement of the standard of living for the average Inner Sphere citizen not to mention using ROM agents to assassinate anyone with any knowledge to repair infrastructure or lostech just so they can remain the dominant force in the Inner Sphere through HPG media control/blackouts?
And if anyone so much as tries to
question let alone
challenge their authority....well...you know how that ends up....
You say you are loyal to House Davion on the Inner Sphere side of things. Well then how would you feel about ComStar using an HPG blackout to prevent your House from taking what was left of the Capellan Confederation just because it was in the interests of ComStar to keep the "status quo" from falling apart and preventing a united Inner Sphere under a more benevolent Davion rule? (Assuming the Davions would not become the "next ComStar" should they have succeeded in conquering the Inner Sphere). The Capellan Confederation was pretty much done for but ComStar intervened and gave the Liaos a chance to strike back. Wouldn't be surprised if ComStar secretly gave them a bit of lostech which might explain why the Liaos suddenly get electronic warfare capabilities on their military equipment like the Raven for example despite losing half of their territory/planets not to mention more than half of their industrial base.
Oh and the NAIS group that Davion had was a HUGE threat to ComStar supremacy in the Inner Sphere. Once again, anything that could restore the Inner Sphere to prosperity WITHOUT ComStar/Word of Blake's guiding holy hand was to be destroyed so that the "status quo" could be maintained.
So you see Rush, there are always two sides to the coin. The crucial thing that most people miss is this: Which of the two is the
greater evils? A somewhat extreme conservative Crusader Clan that is harsh towards civilians and has strict laws or a technological/religious order that has no qualms about using WMDs on the citizens of the Inner Sphere as well as eliminating anyone who has any technological know-how in the Successor States so they can dominate the House Lords and use them as puppets/tools and pit them against each other? You make the call.
Actually? I figured -everyone- in Battletech was evil to some degree, including House Davion - known to be the aggressor in most of the wars for Succession (and the war of '39) that came down the pipeline. That's a lot of blood for one royal family to wear. As for the Jags, they were deliberately constructed by Stackpole (who's openly said this) to be the most ruthlessly evil of the Clans in preparation for the second star league storyline. They were a properly scary clan, and one of the strongest, until they got wiped and the Jihad came upon us.
The jihad I consider karmic debt for the entire Battletech universe. They had -all- done wrong, they had -all- been warmongers in search of power, they had -all- freely made violence upon their neighbors and in some cases, themselves, or in the Clans' case, being purveyors of war and chaos and destruction (even if it was in their finite scale, it still came to the I.S.). I don't personally believe there's a truly heroic faction in the Battletech universe. Steiner eventually villainized against Davion (pretty openly, Katrina was no picnic), Davion was the aggressor for all of those wars, Kurita had Kentares IV to answer for if nothing else, Marik turned in on itself and eventually collapsed from internal power struggles (having their own problems with a civil war of sorts early in the canon) and House Liao...well, they're House Liao. That's a long list.
Nobody is -really- a hero in B.T. except for the lone mechwarrior who strives against the odds to hold thje line for king and country (and all the heroics that might go with it). I've never felt anyone in BAttletech was overwhelmingly good, even in spite of Stackpole's work. It's that they're varying shades of evil.
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And the Jags -did- slaughter all of these people on Turtle Bay. That was a main sticking point at the Whitting Conference, after all...
