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[Tristan Winter]

Bulletsponge0, on 07 October 2014 - 11:03 AM, said:

I've been rendered weaponless before (in an Ember...lost both arms, 4 lasers gone...ran out of MG ammo) so I rammed an opponent several times.....when a teammate killed that enemy I got a "Kill Assist 1XP"
WIN!!!

Hey, if they brought back collision and knockdown, I'd do that too. But as long as we're playing bumper cars? Nah. Not for me

[Pjwned]

You're just being a stubborn contrarian if you're wasting everybody's time by hiding away in a mech with literally no weapons and trying to justify it with MUH IMMERSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111!!!

I'm not against an eject button in situations like that but if all you're doing is stalling for time then it's annoying and you can expect people to give you crap for it.

[Sean von Steinike]

Run interference for surviving team-mates, try to cap points if on conquest, try to spot targets for friend lrms....

[Nightshade24]

Corbon Zackery, on 07 October 2014 - 09:43 AM, said:

Step one would be to buy a laser.

You can still target enemy mechs and spot for LRMs.

You still have armor and can act as a soak tank for enemy fire helps if you have a laser to distract them.

You can still maneuver creating a false sensor echo or use yourself as bait for a ambush.

Bumping does do damage in some cases.

You can scout and relay enemy positions.

:rolleyes:But really you need to buy a laser.

did you even read what he said?

He had a laser and he got disarmed.

[Tristan Winter]

Pjwned, on 07 October 2014 - 11:57 AM, said:

You're just being a stubborn contrarian if you're wasting everybody's time by hiding away in a mech with literally no weapons and trying to justify it with MUH IMMERSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111!!!
I'm not against an eject button in situations like that but if all you're doing is stalling for time then it's annoying and you can expect people to give you crap for it.

Don't worry, I've turned off chat a few days ago. It doesn't really hamper my ability to be a good teammate, I think. It's kind of like being blind, you have to rely more on other senses. And since I can't read chat, I pay more attention to where my team is moving. It's kind of like being a 2-man group in group queue, when everyone's on TS and no one's using team chat.

Most importantly, I find that not having any kind of chat enabled is both better for me and for my team. It means I just have to relax and find peace when I get upset, when I get the urge to shout at teammates for friendly fire or making bad decisions. But it also means I can't see anything my teammates are yelling at me. Which means I'm having a lot more fun, because I tend to get annoyed by all the angry people who blame their team in every match. I'm a very delicate flower, you see. I often get my feelings hurt.

But yeah. Muh immersion. GL HF

[FullMetalDad]

As many respondents have offered the OP (rather correctly or incorrectly) their opinion on what he should run in his mech, I'll offer the following to those who view the shutdown mech hiding at the end of the game offensive: carry Beagle Active Probe (can detect shutdown mechs up to 120 m). Then, although it might take some hunting, you may have the satisfaction of finding the shutdown mech and destroying it.

[LORD ORION]

Should allow people to disengage when the mech is below a certain %.

eg: Below 30%, walk out of bounds and get a disengagement bonus.

[YueFei]

You can always use your mech as a meat shield for teammates when you run outta ammo.

I kinda enjoy using my HBK-4SP as as meatshield when its SRM ammo is gone. If my SRM ammo is completely depleted I have had a good long fun match where I got to shoot alot of stuff. After it's depleted, I'm less threatening than a Jenner-F, so I may as well go and take hits so more effective teammates can stay alive longer.

[Tristan Winter]

Miner, on 07 October 2014 - 12:13 PM, said:

As many respondents have offered the OP (rather correctly or incorrectly) their opinion on what he should run in his mech, I'll offer the following to those who view the shutdown mech hiding at the end of the game offensive: carry Beagle Active Probe (can detect shutdown mechs up to 120 m). Then, although it might take some hunting, you may have the satisfaction of finding the shutdown mech and destroying it.

It's definitely surprising how many people do not carry it. I've shut down in front of whole teams at times when I've simply been out of position and caught by surprise. As long as I have weapons, I will wait for a good time to power up and do some damage. Often times, I can create some havoc by attack the enemy team as they've moved past my mech.

LORD ORION, on 07 October 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:

Should allow people to disengage when the mech is below a certain %.
eg: Below 30%, walk out of bounds and get a disengagement bonus.

That would be tremendous, IMO. Sure, it would rob us of some kills, but the matches would be over a lot quicker and we could move on. Give the winning team some sort of c-bill or XP bonus for the mechs that fled the battle, to reduce the hate.

[Pjwned]

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 07 October 2014 - 12:09 PM, said:

Don't worry, I've turned off chat a few days ago. It doesn't really hamper my ability to be a good teammate, I think. It's kind of like being blind, you have to rely more on other senses. And since I can't read chat, I pay more attention to where my team is moving. It's kind of like being a 2-man group in group queue, when everyone's on TS and no one's using team chat.

Most importantly, I find that not having any kind of chat enabled is both better for me and for my team. It means I just have to relax and find peace when I get upset, when I get the urge to shout at teammates for friendly fire or making bad decisions. But it also means I can't see anything my teammates are yelling at me. Which means I'm having a lot more fun, because I tend to get annoyed by all the angry people who blame their team in every match. I'm a very delicate flower, you see. I often get my feelings hurt.

But yeah. Muh immersion. GL HF

I can understand not having All chat on if you don't want it but it doesn't sound very productive if you don't even have team chat enabled, people do use that to communicate enemy positions and such you know. This might explain some matches I had earlier though where I say something like "D3 ECM" and over half the team proceeds to ignore it while we get flanked and lose badly, maybe other people as well just turn team chat off.

[Tristan Winter]

Pjwned, on 07 October 2014 - 12:36 PM, said:

I can understand not having All chat on if you don't want it but it doesn't sound very productive if you don't even have team chat enabled, people do use that to communicate enemy positions and such you know. This might explain some matches I had earlier though where I say something like "D3 ECM" and over half the team proceeds to ignore it while we get flanked and lose badly, maybe other people as well just turn team chat off.

I know, I considered that. A lot of times, I'm sure I miss out when someone can spot enemies visually without getting a radar lock. They might see a full lance somewhere and warn the team, and I can't see that. It's the biggest drawback of not having lance chat.

However, I do stick with my team regardless. So if my team responds to what the scouts are saying, I'll follow the team anyway.

I've been playing this game for 2 years now (with other accounts too) and I just can't tell you how much better it is to play without all the negativity going on in public chat and team chat. No more of the "Thanks for leaving the dire wolf everyone! Can't wait to see you all get killed" or "You guys are terrible, you deserve to lose". That stuff really does bother me after a while. I have thin skin.

[Metus regem]

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 07 October 2014 - 08:49 AM, said:

Captain Vega's venerable Victor assault mech limped behind the ruins of the old space port, carefully sidestepping the smoking remains of his dead lancemates. With its laser arm blown clean off, it's autocannons out of ammo and all missiles spent, he was effectively defenseless. In the distant background, he could hear the thunderous stomps of enemy mechs, looking for survivors.

He frantically searched the map, looking for possible routes. It would be difficult, but he might find a route permitting even his huge assault mech to sneak back to safety. There was nothing left to do here. He could live to fight another day.

Suddenly, the comms blurted out a wall of static and some incomprehensible chatter.
"This is Bravo One, say again! This is Bravo One, please repeat," exclaimed Captain Vega.
He had never been happier to hear anyone's voice. He wasn't alone after all.
"Bravo One, this is HQ. For God's sake, son. Stop hiding. You're wasting our time."
Captain Vega stuttered, confused. "Wh-what? I think I can make it back to base, sir. Please advise!"
"Bravo One, don't be a coward. Everyone in HQ is waiting to move on to the next match. Just suicide already."
"Suicide? No, sir, I don't think they know where I am."
"Oh, for crying out loud. Are you really going to make us wait eight minutes while you retreat to base and wait for reinforcements? We've got things to do. Just kill yourself."
"K-kill myself?"
A second voice sounded on the comms. A disdainful, cold voice.
"This is Star Colonel Tseng. You are wasting everyone's time, freebirth. Stop pussyfooting."
"Star Colonel, this is Colonel Bisping of the Federated Suns. You'll find our last mech in grid Echo Five. That's Echo Five. He's powered down behind the old spaceport."
There was a slight pause, before the Star Colonel replied:
"ggclose."
Another burst of static marked the end of the conversation. The stomps in the distance grew louder now.


TL;DR - What the **** am I supposed to do when my mech runs out of ammo and I have no more weapons? In what possible scenario does it make sense for all survivors to suicide because they don't want to waste other people's time?

At least give us an eject button that can only be activated if you have no functioning weapons. If not, I'll just crawl back to base and wait for the timer to drop to 00:00. What's the point of having cockpitglass and ambient sounds for immersion!!11 if we have to kill ourselves in the end, just to end the match? To the sound of some spacemonkey warhorn...

EDIT: Since many of you don't have time to read a whole post (lol, irony), let me be clear: sometimes you are disarmed because enemy mechs have destroyed your energy weapons. It's not just a matter of bringing a backup weapon.

Bring a mech with CT lasers, and give it everything you've got?

[Tristan Winter]

Metus regem, on 07 October 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

Bring a mech with CT lasers, and give it everything you've got?

Drink less beer, read posts more thoroughly before replying.

[Bilbo]

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 07 October 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

Drink less beer,...

Heresy!!!

[Gremlich Johns]

No weapons left?

Bring back knockdown.

[Bulletsponge0]

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 07 October 2014 - 11:48 AM, said:

Hey, if they brought back collision and knockdown, I'd do that too. But as long as we're playing bumper cars? Nah. Not for me

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 07 October 2014 - 11:48 AM, said:

Hey, if they brought back collision and knockdown, I'd do that too. But as long as we're playing bumper cars? Nah. Not for me

it was 2 v 1...so I had to provide a distraction to let my teammate secure the win

[Mawai]

Ph30nix, on 07 October 2014 - 09:33 AM, said:

funny but in the end you were the one who chose to not take any back up weapons and to go 100% into the ballistic weapons.

So suck it up buttercup and either go suicide or do your team a favor and act as a meat shield for someone else you shouldn't be going back to base to hide (okay maybe 1 match out of 1000 this is a good idea)

Because honestly they should NEVER allow someone to just ditch a game and get rewards just because they ran out of ammo.
Go ahead and add in a Vote to concede option that requires your team to be losing already and still require X amount of teammates to agree. No suicide.

Reading comprehension for the win ...

He was in a Victor ... his energy weapon back ups were blown up by enemy fire and his ballistics were out of ammo. It isn't that uncommon for a mech to end up without weapons for one reason or another ... e.g. Most Stalkers missing both side torsos etc. ...

His point was that suicide is a bit unpalatable and I agree.

In that situation, I personally try to help by either running interference for a team mate or trying to cap. If the game is close, a retreat to base so that the opponents have to overcome the base defenses can be a way to pull out a win ... I have seen it happen.

[IllCaesar]

If you're the last on your team alive, have got no weapons and no chance of winning via base defenses or ramming, then you should go kill yourself. There's no reason not to. I mean if there's just one or two people on the enemy team left on assault, and they're both red, then yeah, base turrets could take them out. But that one time I saw somebody with no weapons try to get base defenses to take out four relatively healthy mechs? No, you're just wasting time.

As long as you've got at least one damaging weapon left, I won't hold survival against you (just yesterday, a Spider with less than 40% health on my team got two kills, got a third to red CT), and if there's an actual chance of base defenses winning the game, then sure. But dragging it out is being a **** to your teammates who want to see their end-round stats and your opponents who just want to finish the match. Claiming "my immersion" is just a weak justification for poor sportsmanship.

And while it wasn't exactly the point, I'll agree that there's no reason to take at least one energy weapon if you can fit it. A single small laser or medium laser won't ruin your build. If it gets blown off, I'll forgive, but if you're rocking a mech without an energy weapon and you run out of ammo, I'll laugh my ass off at your expense. Hey, your Direwolf's 6 UAC5 build can stand to lose half a ton for a small laser.

Edited by MarsAtlas, 07 October 2014 - 01:23 PM.

[Metus regem]

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 07 October 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

Drink less beer, read posts more thoroughly before replying.

It is not Friday, so no beer for me, I am a sad panda...

besides I was trying make a joke about it.

[Bishop Steiner]

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 07 October 2014 - 12:22 PM, said:

It's definitely surprising how many people do not carry it. I've shut down in front of whole teams at times when I've simply been out of position and caught by surprise. As long as I have weapons, I will wait for a good time to power up and do some damage. Often times, I can create some havoc by attack the enemy team as they've moved past my mech.


That would be tremendous, IMO. Sure, it would rob us of some kills, but the matches would be over a lot quicker and we could move on. Give the winning team some sort of c-bill or XP bonus for the mechs that fled the battle, to reduce the hate.

call me evil, but I feel that if one chooses to disengage, they forfeit ALL CBills for the match, but get their XP and precious stats. That way it forces one to choose...protect their stats, or their pocketbook.

But like I said, i am mean like that.

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 07 October 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

Drink less beer