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[Sprouticus]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 07 October 2014 - 03:57 PM, said:

Nor do the devs apparently

N0MAD, on 07 October 2014 - 04:06 PM, said:

You say they polled the community? 1500 votes is the community? really?
But people say the community is 30k +.
It was suggested they put an announcement on the main MWO page when a feature that was to be voted on came up, nope no announcement, obscure poll and a total of 1500 votes is acted on..really?
IGP made them do it...wait..

Not my fault people dont pay attention. I dont fewel bad for them at all. As for the poll being obscure.....not really.

An announcement on the main page would have been nice, but it was hardly required. Especially when 80%+ voied FOR the change. That is a pretty solid statement.

[Hydrocarbon]

Kiiyor, on 07 October 2014 - 02:19 PM, said:

For the average PUG player, I don't believe there will be a noticeable difference. I daresay that you will still get to play the mode you want.

So far I've played 7 matches, all 7 were Skirmish. I have Conquest & Assault checked off, Skirmish IS NOT CHECKED OFF. Oh and all 7 games had average match/mismatch levels IMO. Same amount of stomps & fair games.


If this continues in MWO, I will discontinue MWO. I do NOT want to play a game mode I dislike simply because PGI wants to get lazy on their algorithms or put up such a crucial poll but not advertise it. I might have seen it if they advertised it or hadn't fractured the forum into a million sub-forums, which, ironicly, was because there was so many angry players venting.


Edit: now 8/8 for a game mode I did not select...

Edited by Hydrocarbon, 07 October 2014 - 04:22 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Sprouticus, on 07 October 2014 - 04:08 PM, said:

Not my fault people dont pay attention. I dont fewel bad for them at all. As for the poll being obscure.....not really.

An announcement on the main page would have been nice, but it was hardly required. Especially when 80%+ voied FOR the change. That is a pretty solid statement.

The pretty solid statement was when everyone pointed out the forum going population is 5% of the player population. Hence why an in game poll is far better

And maybe getting someone to write the poll who is more neutral. They always word the polls in a manner to get ppl to vote the way they want it to go.

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 07 October 2014 - 04:12 PM.

[-Natural Selection-]

Sprouticus, on 07 October 2014 - 04:08 PM, said:

Not my fault people dont pay attention. I dont fewel bad for them at all. As for the poll being obscure.....not really.

The only people who come on here are the ones who complain, and the few that occasionally try to offer suggestions. The rest just fall have to deal with the outcome or just leave.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Mickey Knoxx, on 07 October 2014 - 04:13 PM, said:

The only people who come on here are the ones who complain, and the few that occasionally try to offer suggestions. The rest just fall have to deal with the outcome or just leave.

Well the new PGI catchphrase seems to be "vote with your wallet".

[Haipyng]

Yeah so in order to run a conquest map I need to launch 8 times with my Spider drawing Skirmish every time. When I switch to an assault I finally get a conquest map. This is a good idea how?

[Slepnir]

sneeking, on 07 October 2014 - 03:38 PM, said:

my builds are all designed for skirmish, even my 3L is more light skirmish than scout.

this is bad if id seen the vote I would of cast against it but even though I play the game almost every day and visit forum I never seen this comming.

and pgi dont understand that guys like the one above me here who don't like skirmish they don't want people like me in their conquest match brawling in my 3L instead of capping.

Yes this
Like all militaries house units or mercs don't just go out to throw down with a hostile enemy force without an objective. skirmish mode is just COD with mechs. there is no objective to fight over making the fight pointless in my mind. it is a mode for players who cannot or don't want to deal with multiple win conditions. thus I never willingly play it.

[-Natural Selection-]

Slepnir, on 07 October 2014 - 04:20 PM, said:

Yes this
Like all militaries house units or mercs don't just go out to throw down with a hostile enemy force without an objective. skirmish mode is just COD with mechs. there is no objective to fight over making the fight pointless in my mind. it is a mode for players who cannot or don't want to deal with multiple win conditions. thus I never willingly play it.

Not going to go into all the psychological reasoning that one might use to justify why big freaking robots would be fighting each other in a video game. But it is a "game" which people come on to enjoy, not to fulfill some greater purpose of a collective society. This isn't real life and even then wars have often fought for nothing tangible.

Simple fact: you do not force people to play a "game mode" for a greater good. Not having map selection is bad enough.

[N0MAD]

Slepnir, on 07 October 2014 - 04:20 PM, said:

Yes this
Like all militaries house units or mercs don't just go out to throw down with a hostile enemy force without an objective. skirmish mode is just COD with mechs. there is no objective to fight over making the fight pointless in my mind. it is a mode for players who cannot or don't want to deal with multiple win conditions. thus I never willingly play it.

Ya because armies get to sit on Spot X for 2 minutes and win the war right?

[Kiiyor]

Hydrocarbon, on 07 October 2014 - 04:11 PM, said:

So far I've played 7 matches, all 7 were Skirmish. I have Conquest & Assault checked off, Skirmish IS NOT CHECKED OFF. Oh and all 7 games had average match/mismatch levels IMO. Same amount of stomps & fair games.


If this continues in MWO, I will discontinue MWO. I do NOT want to play a game mode I dislike simply because PGI wants to get lazy on their algorithms or put up such a crucial poll but not advertise it. I might have seen it if they advertised it or hadn't fractured the forum into a million sub-forums, which, ironicly, was because there was so many angry players venting.


Edit: now 8/8 for a game mode I did not select...

Ouch! I wish I could science it also, but alas, on holidays. Still, I've collected lots of new data, and skirmish is by far the most popular game mode.

I know it's the fashionable way to go about things here, but before we all start pitchforking, maybe some intrepid soul could tweet Russ about it, and ask if there are thresholds that could be tweaked.

Is there a time limit that the MM adheres to before it plonks you into an undesirable mode? How long would you be prepared to wait for the match you want?

[-Natural Selection-]

N0MAD, on 07 October 2014 - 04:37 PM, said:

Ya because armies get to sit on Spot X for 2 minutes and win the war right?

12 guys run in, raise flag then point and laff. That's how my unit rolled in Bosnia

[MechWarrior5152251]

Kutfroat, on 07 October 2014 - 12:50 PM, said:

4 out of 7 games were skirmish. skirmish is unchecked, so 2/3 gamemodes active and i get more than 50% of the unchecked mode. just dc´ed out of the last one. i´m done.

Now that would be voting. Simply leave match every time you get an unwanted game mode....

[MechWarrior5152251]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 07 October 2014 - 02:19 PM, said:

Also theyre worded in an extremely skewed way so that theres no right answer or to get ppl to vote a certain way, like the poll that led to 3pv in the 12 mans. There was no right answer for that, but noone realized that till it was too late

Bad analogy because 3pv didn't take anything away from people playing in FPV. It only gave some an option and offset its advantages with significant disadvantages (zoom in 3p doesn't have the same FOV, etc.)

[Slepnir]

N0MAD, on 07 October 2014 - 04:37 PM, said:

Ya because armies get to sit on Spot X for 2 minutes and win the war right?

Not my fault PGI doesnt have a more immersive base to assault like MW4. where I get more points by selectively destroying parts of a sprawling enemy base-fuel depot, ammo storage, generators, comms array etc... however it is far more than just standing in a box, it lets you force behavior on the enemy team. we all like choices its my goal to provide them to the enemy, especially when they are all bad.

Edited by Slepnir, 07 October 2014 - 05:14 PM.

[Weztside]

Good post. Although, I fail to see how this will change anything or piss anyone off since anyone who's been playing this game for the last year knows that people play every game mode the exact same way. In my eyes there is only one game mode and it's called shoot mechs.

[Sprouticus]

notice it is the same 4-5 people complaining. Everyone else is too busy playing.

[VixNix]

VixNix, on 07 October 2014 - 03:52 PM, said:

Okay, this is not right...

Question:
1 What is the current active player base?
2 What is the percentage of those active players that voted on this change?
3 What was the result of the vote in number for and against?

IMO if less than 25% undo this horrid change ASAP

Thank you!

Still looking for answers...

Please.

[Zepster]

As to the original post I must say it is very well written (even for a Davion <G>). I'd have to agree that this game tends towards stomps by nature of what it is. No changes to MM are gonna fix it IMO.

What I do hope is that PGI is smart enough to realize that the majority of people whining for changes are the ones getting worked over in the solo queue because they either refuse to learn how to adapt or can't handle dropping 5 drops on any given day and getting worked over. Today's generation of gamers want instant satisfaction instead of honing their skills and learning the game.

[Deathlike]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 07 October 2014 - 02:31 PM, said:

Like I said; its like the 3pv in 12 mans thread. Once ppl started realizing theyd been duped and started changing their votes, they locked it so it was up like a day or two and it was a TINY percentage of the threads that had been screaming against the idea in the first place (9000 to 400 against vs like 200 votes total)

They need to poll the community, but they need to stop phrasing it the way they do or make them actually fairly made. Arent biased polls moderatable?

They also need to TEST THE GODDAMNED IDEAS not just shoehorn the things directly into the friggin live servers

I remember those days. I guess part of the PGI of old hasn't left us.

N0MAD, on 07 October 2014 - 04:06 PM, said:

You say they polled the community? 1500 votes is the community? really?
But people say the community is 30k +.
It was suggested they put an announcement on the main MWO page when a feature that was to be voted on came up, nope no announcement, obscure poll and a total of 1500 votes is acted on..really?
IGP made them do it...wait..

Ironically, that BK vs Grasshopper thread has 4000+ votes. Hmm... I guess PGI not posting an announcement thread drawing attention to such an important issue isn't actually important... to PGI...

Go figure.

Edited by Deathlike, 07 October 2014 - 06:27 PM.

[Davers]

sneeking, on 07 October 2014 - 03:38 PM, said:

my builds are all designed for skirmish, even my 3L is more light skirmish than scout.

Which is funny since Skirmish is the only game mode that allows players true freedom of movement on the map without worrying about cap points. You would think a scout would have more of a purpose in Skirmish than in Conquest or Assault. Hypothetically, of course. In practice everyone knows all the game modes are played identically.