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[Creovex]

HUBA, on 08 October 2014 - 02:58 PM, said:

Pleas don't be to upset about it, it made the game for some people not enjoyable any more and we showed it on a very strict way. What if tomorrow mech selection will be just a "vote" and if the MM need a medium and you will maybe start in a mech you don't like?

It was taken back because it was a given feature before and not accepted as expected.

Also I don't drop out of maps because I do not like them but on RCN I have no fun and if I have this map the third time at night, I'll be happy if someone TK me. Also I play much more offensive because I want this match end as soon as possible. Do you really want play your favorite game mode with 5 in your team that just play it because they will be banned if the don't? Then you probably will have a DW at base and he is saying "I did my best to protect the base ..."

The whole post was about the juvenile behavior people have been exhibiting. I play all maps and all modes and find it sad that though I tolerate people ruining my conquest games this is how they act when they have to considet compromising.

Edited by Creovex, 08 October 2014 - 03:14 PM.

[Domenoth]

HUBA, on 08 October 2014 - 02:58 PM, said:

Pleas don't be to upset about it, it made the game for some people not enjoyable any more and we showed it on a very strict way.

I am very upset about it.

HUBA, on 08 October 2014 - 02:58 PM, said:

What if tomorrow mech selection will be just a "vote" and if the MM need a medium and you will maybe start in a mech you don't like?

I would close my game and go do something else. I would express my dissatisfaction by my absence. I would not bring other people down with me.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Domenoth, on 08 October 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

I would close my game and go do something else. I would express my dissatisfaction by my absence. I would not bring other people down with me.

Yup this is why the ppl who engaged is that behavior no longer need to be playing imo

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

lol I made the mistake of jumping into the game today, not knowing that they havent removed the change and are putting it off to tomorrow.

Ill be playing tomorrow then

[Robin Wolf]

Tonight (Europe) our group (from 10 down to 6 at the end) was set on Skirmish only. Still we got several conquest games. We were not really set up for conquest, yet we won most of those. If not all, it's late now and my brain has gone asleep

It has been a blast...

I will miss the voting system...

[Bmetranger]

The more you complain on the forum about all the poeple who DC'd Suicided are just did nothing in the match. The more PGI was forced to come to the conclusion that the Game Mode Voting system wasn't going to work. Just not playing would of not been enough to really change PGI Mind. Although Once they saw they might lose half the game population over it. So be your complaning about the action of the protesters who did not like the way the change came about and the change themseleves you helped the. Thank you.

[Domenoth]

Bmetranger, on 08 October 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

The more you complain on the forum about all the poeple who DC'd Suicided are just did nothing in the match. The more PGI was forced to come to the conclusion that the Game Mode Voting system wasn't going to work. Just not playing would of not been enough to really change PGI Mind. Although Once they saw they might lose half the game population over it. So be your complaning about the action of the protesters who did not like the way the change came about and the change themseleves you helped the. Thank you.

Protesters need to be allowed to voice their concerns. Rioters need to be punished.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Except it wasnt removed. Looks like Im waiting till tomorrow to play

Domenoth, on 08 October 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

Protesters need to be allowed to voice their concerns. Rioters need to be punished.

Agreed

Because if you dont, guess what theyll do next time?

[Deck of Many Things]

My first post on this forum was to protest the new matchmaking system in that it removed choices that I preferred to make for myself.

My second post is hopefully my last in here, celebrating that it's been fixed. I'm not much of a forums guy, but I suppose I'll have to pay more attention if decisions are being made on the basis of feedback from the forums. I wish I'd known about the first vote, perhaps on the patcher's news feed?

Edited by Erich Hagen, 08 October 2014 - 03:52 PM.

[Dashwood Fox]

I play this game pretty regularly. 3-7 nights a week regularly. I don't really check the forums too often though unless I notice a change in game or I hear a lot of talk from other players. That being said I never saw the poll until today and didn't get a chance to vote.

Most of the time I don't care what mode I play. But some nights (tonight being one of them) I'm in a mood to play a certain mode. When I can't get that mode for 18 drops in a row I get a little pissed off. My time is wasted and I'm not having much fun. It seems like with the current system the only way to get the mode I want would be to just keep DC'ing until it puts me in that mode.

From the data they've collected so far it shows no difference in the solo queue but some in the group queue. To me that says there is some merit having it in the group queue but ABSOLUTELY NONE for the solo queue.

TL;DR; So I think it's fine to still consider this for the group queue but leave it out of the solo-queue so we can still pick our modes there.

Edited by Dashwood Fox, 08 October 2014 - 04:00 PM.

[N0MAD]

Mercules, on 08 October 2014 - 11:52 AM, said:

Yep... General Discussion. To be fair we chided PGI for not giving us a voice and not putting up something like a poll before making a major change. They listened to us and once again got blasted by us for doing what we told them to do. It's a real "Damned if you do - Damned if you don't" thing we the community have going on with PGI.

No, totally wrong,, first poll wasnt taken to the community, it was taken to the Forumites a small % of the population.
Second poll at least was taken to the News section of the Main MWO screen where the General community had a chance to see it instead.
Funny that with this announcement being actually made public you had over twice the amount of people participating in a single day huh?.
Guess the Forumites arent pleased that they are not actually a representation of the general populace.
So no it wasnt who bitched loudest it was the community showing that given a chance they will participate and the forum community is not a true representation of the general public.
Doesnt look good for a Council where a dozen people (with their own agendas) interpret what forumites want and then present it to PGI as this has shown that in fact the forumites dont represent the Community.

[Shredhead]

N0MAD, on 08 October 2014 - 04:06 PM, said:

No, totally wrong,, first poll wasnt taken to the community, it was taken to the Forumites a small % of the population.
Second poll at least was taken to the News section of the Main MWO screen where the General community had a chance to see it instead.
Funny that with this announcement being actually made public you had over twice the amount of people participating in a single day huh?.
Guess the Forumites arent pleased that they are not actually a representation of the general populace.
So no it wasnt who bitched loudest it was the community showing that given a chance they will participate and the forum community is not a true representation of the general public.
Doesnt look good for a Council where a dozen people (with their own agendas) interpret what forumites want and then present it to PGI as this has shown that in fact the forumites dont represent the Community.

Are you a bit confused?
There is no council, and people are rightfully upset about how this thing went down. Now stop spewing your hatred, shush!

[Johnny Z]

Destructicus, on 08 October 2014 - 11:51 AM, said:

That's awfully egocentric of you

Some people like conquest, some people like assault.

You don't speak for everyone.

Not to mention that it is opposite in the group queue than the solo queue. Stomp teams use mode selection to avoid having a competitive match and to otherwise not run into each other.

That was the big reason for the test change was to see these teams purposefully choosing different preferred modes actually having to face each other, and what that would do to the queue over all I am guessing.

The down side is I guess the high elo teams would be facing each other match after match and thats no fun either. Funny the trouble they go through to create stomps and inflate their elo and yet I still feel sorry for them having no fun if they are forced to only fight each other....

This is coming from a player that has had 7 victories with a Wolverine by the way. Getting "good" at this game is a combination of knowing your mech and mastering it... good load outs for your style and ALOT of practice not to mention good ping. With all those in place, players are on even footing!! So forget the stomps and get good isnt an insult because eventually players can do very well even in really bad matches.

Edited by Johnny Z, 08 October 2014 - 04:36 PM.

[Fire and Salt]

Why was the poll framed the way it was?



"Some quick information from the small amount of data we have gathered so far. The solo queue remains consistent at an average ELO difference of 50, so still solid but no real change. The group queue has dropped from an average ELO difference of ~250 to around ~160-180. "



...So it made no improvement in the solo queue, it should absolutely be rolled back for solo, since it removed choice and gave no benefit in return. You could always speed up your search by being willing to accept any game mode - nothing is gained here. No poll should be necessary.



The poll should have been focused on exclusively the group queue, since it did have an advantage on ELO there, at the cost of choice. There is actually a trade off there. Something worth polling.




Is like a weird MWO version of pork-barreling.
Choose one of two:
A.) Make it legal to hit nails and children with hammers.
B.) Make it illegal to hit nails and children with hammers.

Where is the option to legalize hammering nails and not hammering children? Or the other valid option, legalize hitting nails with hammers, and children too, but only if they are bad

Edited by Fire and Salt, 08 October 2014 - 04:30 PM.

[Roadbeer]

N0MAD, on 08 October 2014 - 04:06 PM, said:

No, totally wrong,, first poll wasnt taken to the community, it was taken to the Forumites a small % of the population.
Second poll at least was taken to the News section of the Main MWO screen where the General community had a chance to see it instead.
Funny that with this announcement being actually made public you had over twice the amount of people participating in a single day huh?.
Guess the Forumites arent pleased that they are not actually a representation of the general populace.
So no it wasnt who bitched loudest it was the community showing that given a chance they will participate and the forum community is not a true representation of the general public.
Doesnt look good for a Council where a dozen people (with their own agendas) interpret what forumites want and then present it to PGI as this has shown that in fact the forumites dont represent the Community.

Ummm... NOPE.

[1453 R]

This whole fiasco has me disappointed in the community more than anything else. The in-game behavior of some people "protesting" the decision was beyond the pale, and some of the invective being thrown around in here was even worse.

While I'm glad I don't have to deal with Skirmish mode trollgriefers anymore, s'far as I'm concerned the community has given up any right it may once have had to complain about wait times/Elo mismatches. if Piranha's not permitted to change anything about the matchmaker but is still expected to improve it out of thin air, then I'm going to be coming down on Piranha's side in this and telling people that the impossible is not a thing they're allowed to demand.

[jackal404]

1453 R, on 08 October 2014 - 04:38 PM, said:

This whole fiasco has me disappointed in the community more than anything else. The in-game behavior of some people "protesting" the decision was beyond the pale, and some of the invective being thrown around in here was even worse.

While I'm glad I don't have to deal with Skirmish mode trollgriefers anymore, s'far as I'm concerned the community has given up any right it may once have had to complain about wait times/Elo mismatches. if Piranha's not permitted to change anything about the matchmaker but is still expected to improve it out of thin air, then I'm going to be coming down on Piranha's side in this and telling people that the impossible is not a thing they're allowed to demand.

Yes, I see your point.

[1453 R]

N0MAD, on 08 October 2014 - 04:06 PM, said:

No, totally wrong,, first poll wasnt taken to the community, it was taken to the Forumites a small % of the population.
Second poll at least was taken to the News section of the Main MWO screen where the General community had a chance to see it instead.
Funny that with this announcement being actually made public you had over twice the amount of people participating in a single day huh?.
Guess the Forumites arent pleased that they are not actually a representation of the general populace.
So no it wasnt who bitched loudest it was the community showing that given a chance they will participate and the forum community is not a true representation of the general public.
Doesnt look good for a Council where a dozen people (with their own agendas) interpret what forumites want and then present it to PGI as this has shown that in fact the forumites dont represent the Community.

Wow.

Just wow.

It's been many moons since I've seen a pile of dung this stanky, man...

May I ask, Nomad, who it is you expect to provide player feedback and suggestions, if "the forumites" are all an evil batch of Machiavellian masterminds attempting to warp and twist MWO to their own nefarious ends?

And may I also remind you, while you crusade most blindly for the Rights Of The People, that you are a forumite yourself? Guess that means your opinion's a totally ignorable minority too and Piranha shouldn't pay it any heed!

[N0MAD]

DV McKenna, on 08 October 2014 - 12:54 PM, said:

This is pretty crapastic but to be expected they always bow to the whining

Rubbish it wasnt bowing to the whinning it was acknowledging that the Forumites arent a representation of the community as a whole.
Me thinks some people are upset that because they spend alot of time and thousands of posts on the forums they know best and whats good for the population have been proved wrong.
They took a poll to the actual public and it proved that it was a very different result than just taking it to the forums.

[C4-Wolfy36]

I spent a weekend getting the s**t shot out of me by mental midgets trying to kill everything including their teammates to win cbills and paltry amounts of mc, just waiting for Tuesday night when the madness would be over.

I sat down at my computer Tuesday night after working my butt off for 12 hours at a job that would make chair sitting computer types commit suicide after an hour at it, to enjoy a return to the more relaxed pace of the MWO. Instead end up playing modes of MWO that I would not play on a dare. Then, after complaining about it, was told more than once I should have voted.

*pause for exasperated sigh*

Gee, I wish I had nothing better to do than play games all day long, and in my free time thumb through the forums to post and vote.

I came home tonight (Wednesday) after another nut busting 14 hour day, to read that all is well. Even though I'm a Philistine, and not capable of comprehending the genius that is PGI, I read that the hot fix would return us to the days of actually being able to choose what mode we would like to play.

I promptly selected "conquest" and was immediately launched into three straight games of "skirmish".

Apparently the only thing the hot fix did was take away the ability to vote.

Thanks PGI