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[waterfowl]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 October 2014 - 03:23 PM, said:

Niko did confirm that is the AS7-S. Not sure how I feel about the Judeo-Christian art motif, I guess it's to try to balance all the "Satanz" emchs from before? (Firebrand, Hellslinger, Flame (not really, but some take it as such, lol), etc)

It's sexy, that's what it is. I wish there was a crazy religious fanatic faction in MWO. I'm not religious IRL, but one thing I miss most about Eve Online was psycopathically smiting heretics in the name of God and the Empress. Long live Empress Jamyl Sarum. Death to the slaves!

[Bishop Steiner]

Dirus Nigh, on 10 October 2014 - 06:18 PM, said:

The Lyrin Common Wealth is predominantly Protestant, while the Federated Suns is Catholic. It was a point of concern with Hans, and Melissa's marriage. Those two successor states do have other religions as well. While Buddhism, and Shintoism is wide spread in the Combine, there is a large Muslim population.

Actually, the Lyran Royal family is Catholic. Hanse Davion is New Avalon Catholic, a schism started when Amaris the Usurper took over Terra and communication was lost. The Arch-Bishop or Cardinal of New Avalon thought power had been ceded to him, and once contact was re-established, they never reunited, in part to a number of reforms the NA-Catholic Church had instigated. But Melissa Steiner is traditional Roman Catholic. They had a representative from both Catholic Churches at the wedding.

[Nathan Foxbane]

waterfowl, on 10 October 2014 - 08:27 PM, said:

It's sexy, that's what it is. I wish there was a crazy religious fanatic faction in MWO. I'm not religious IRL, but one thing I miss most about Eve Online was psycopathically smiting heretics in the name of God and the Empress. Long live Empress Jamyl Sarum. Death to the slaves!

*cough*Comstar/Blakists!*cough*

[Kaox Veed]

Based on the other images on the skins, I would guess that is a Valkyrie not an angel.

[Bishop Steiner]

Nathan Foxbane, on 10 October 2014 - 08:19 PM, said:

Atlas monocle.

Gonna miss the bay doors on my Cents though. I think it is the AH in the image though. That is definitely not a normal arm shield, unless all the left arms are getting an update. If so, I would have to guess at the D.

perhaps it will resemble this?

Scratx, on 10 October 2014 - 08:21 PM, said:

It is also quite possible that the CN9-AH might be getting hardpoint inflation since it's being reintroduced. I don't think PGI's actually told us what the characteristics are.

It would, apparently, obsolete the Wang, however... ... unless the Wang can do something the AH can't, such as speed limitations.

We'll see what PGI's plan is.

maybe it's getting an inflation, too?

[Hades Trooper]

Powder Puff Pew Pew, on 10 October 2014 - 04:11 PM, said:

Yes I for 1 am ****** pissed about the Hellslinger, and FireBrand with the mechs skin premoting satan. Totaly a breach of the games own TOS, but I guess the dev's are imune to their own rules? It clearly mentions no religion, symbolism, and referances in names, and any form of it. Last time I checked 666 was clearly part of a Demonic religious affiliation to the Devil in all mannor of the word, AND is used in referance to moch Humanity. Ya this is heavy stuff but the game has this stuff in it. Its offencive to some people, not all I'm sure. Ya people who dont agree with my oppinion are probably satanists or demon worshipers of all types. I've seen it over and over. Trolls will be trolls. I have no problem at all with those typse of people, but keep it out of the game I play and pay for.

ROFLMAO.

there not satanists, you sire are deluged religious nutbag.

Cor centuries pirates and armies has used intimation as part of warfare. It's obviously a paint job to stand out and inspire Fear, not satanists.

No matter if your religious or not you offer up a pray to whatever gods of battle when your in a foxhole in a firefight.

the fact you say people who don't agree with you are demon worshipers onyl shows your ignorance and bigotry.

[Bishop Steiner]

waterfowl, on 10 October 2014 - 08:27 PM, said:

It's sexy, that's what it is. I wish there was a crazy religious fanatic faction in MWO. I'm not religious IRL, but one thing I miss most about Eve Online was psycopathically smiting heretics in the name of God and the Empress. Long live Empress Jamyl Sarum. Death to the slaves!

comstar

Nathan Foxbane, on 10 October 2014 - 08:36 PM, said:

*cough*Comstar/Blakists!*cough*

dangit 'd!

[ShinobiHunter]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 October 2014 - 03:23 PM, said:

Niko did confirm that is the AS7-S. Not sure how I feel about the Judeo-Christian art motif, I guess it's to try to balance all the "Satanz" emchs from before? (Firebrand, Hellslinger, Flame (not really, but some take it as such, lol), etc)

It reminds me of a really old cathedral or something along those lines. I think it's pretty frickin' awesome. And Atlas with a monocle, Oh yeah baby.

(edited to remove some religious comments. Probably not needed here )

Edited by ShinobiHunter, 10 October 2014 - 08:57 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Kaox Veed, on 10 October 2014 - 08:38 PM, said:

Based on the other images on the skins, I would guess that is a Valkyrie not an angel.

Um. No. Not even close.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

Dirus Nigh, on 10 October 2014 - 06:18 PM, said:

The Lyrin Common Wealth is predominantly Protestant, while the Federated Suns is Catholic. It was a point of concern with Hans, and Melissa's marriage. Those two successor states do have other religions as well. While Buddhism, and Shintoism is wide spread in the Combine, there is a large Muslim population.

Bishop Steiner, on 10 October 2014 - 08:30 PM, said:

Actually, the Lyran Royal family is Catholic. Hanse Davion is New Avalon Catholic, a schism started when Amaris the Usurper took over Terra and communication was lost. The Arch-Bishop or Cardinal of New Avalon thought power had been ceded to him, and once contact was re-established, they never reunited, in part to a number of reforms the NA-Catholic Church had instigated. But Melissa Steiner is traditional Roman Catholic. They had a representative from both Catholic Churches at the wedding.

IIRC Greek Orthodoxy is very popular in Marik space, as well.

The Atlas eye is very reminiscent of the Founder head, and that's a very good thing.

As for the skin, it appears to be norse/germanic. When examined closely, the "angels" have feminine features, the triangle symbol appears to be a Valknut, and knotwork is pretty thematic for norse, germanic, and celtic pagan religions.

I'd love to see a Romano-Byzantine themed Hero at some point. It would have been perfect for a Cataphract. Too bad about Ilya.

[waterfowl]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 October 2014 - 08:42 PM, said:

comstar


dangit 'd!

did they enslave entire races?

[SirSlaughter]

What about the missile doors?

[Tincan Nightmare]

I hope the picture of the Cent means the bay doors are gone for good, way too many times I've missed an SRM shot due to firing delay because I forgot to open them. Wish they would have made it an optional 'quirk' for Cents and Catas, whether to use missile bay doors or not, or at least an option to start the match already 'open'.

[AlexEss]

Looks like missile doors are gone, putting it more in line with the original Centurion that IIRC had open missile bays. (or do i get it mixed up with the cartoon one)

Even if it get a extra pair of chest lasers they can just keep the -A engine rating and buff the YLW´s mobility once the new quirks goes in and the problem is solved.

Edited by AlexEss, 11 October 2014 - 01:51 AM.

[Alistair Winter]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 October 2014 - 08:27 PM, said:

pretty much an "islamic depictions" would be counter to the Koran, so yeah, probably not a great idea. Just surprised how much religious imagery they are using, because it can be so potentially contentious/insensitive. And because of how contentious our Community is already, always ready to be butthurt.

Well, they could always do some arabic calligraphy. Then again, if some people used a black mech with white arabic calligraphy, that might cause an uproar. Which would be quite hypocritical, but oh well.

I'd still love to see more religious and lore-based cultural imagery on mechs.

Bishop Steiner, on 10 October 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

Not sure where I said I had a problem with it. Just not really my thing. Appreciate the degree of detail, just hope they broaden out the themes.

Two replies to the same statement? Well, I'm happy I'm making an impression.

I wasn't implying that you had a problem with it, I was just responding to your statement about not being sure how to feel about it. I personally feel great about it, even though I'm not religious and have no particular bond to any religion, beyond cultural heritage.

I certainly think it would give MWO some much needed depth to use references to culture, language and religion on mech skins and decals. Kurita mechs with insults written in Japanese, or Steiner mechs with the iron cross would be awesome (not a {Godwin's Law} thing, before anyone asks. In fact, the rising sun on the YLW is a lot closer to unsavory ideologies than the iron cross). Maybe Davion mechs with some Arthurian motifs would work.

[Scratx]

Levi Porphyrogenitus, on 10 October 2014 - 08:50 PM, said:

IIRC Greek Orthodoxy is very popular in Marik space, as well.

The Atlas eye is very reminiscent of the Founder head, and that's a very good thing.

As for the skin, it appears to be norse/germanic. When examined closely, the "angels" have feminine features, the triangle symbol appears to be a Valknut, and knotwork is pretty thematic for norse, germanic, and celtic pagan religions.

I'd love to see a Romano-Byzantine themed Hero at some point. It would have been perfect for a Cataphract. Too bad about Ilya.

Good find.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valknut

It's a match, and while the AH screws seeing it utterly on the Atlas and the AH's geometry makes it almost impossible to see on itself, I could swear that "angel" (more like Valkyrie now) is holding a spear, which is what valkyries are usually depicted using, IIRC. I do not know if angels are usually depicted with any particular weapon, but... between the Valknut and the bindings (which are connected to Odin, I think), seems to be a slam-dunk.

[Bishop Steiner]

waterfowl, on 11 October 2014 - 01:04 AM, said:

did they enslave entire races?

tried to. 300 years in the shadows manipulating the fall of mankind from the heights of the starleague, causing wars, assassinations, etc. During the Clan Invasion they ran re-indoctrination camps on clan held worlds, and tried to disrupt communications and bring all the States to their knees with Operation Scorpion. Then the WoB schism, the Jihad, with Nuclear and Biological and Chemical WMDs used wholesale across the Inner Sphere, and more attempts at re-education camps. Eventually they are "wiped out" only to resurface again hidden within Comstar during the Dark Age.


Virulent bunch, Comstar.

SirSlaughter, on 11 October 2014 - 01:44 AM, said:

What about the missile doors?

dead and gone. Coding headaches russ said for expanded launchers (Which would not be an issue if they didn't sprout up like tumors)

[Bishop Steiner]

Scratx, on 11 October 2014 - 04:12 AM, said:

Good find.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valknut

It's a match, and while the AH screws seeing it utterly on the Atlas and the AH's geometry makes it almost impossible to see on itself, I could swear that "angel" (more like Valkyrie now) is holding a spear, which is what valkyries are usually depicted using, IIRC. I do not know if angels are usually depicted with any particular weapon, but... between the Valknut and the bindings (which are connected to Odin, I think), seems to be a slam-dunk.

If that is a Valknut (I prefer cashews, myself), which it appears to be, then I would still say not a Valkyrie. Valkyrie were almost never depicted as winged in the ancient source, nor robed in such a way, but instead, clothed for war.

I would say that to be a Norn, then.

which makes even more sense if the King Crab gets the paint job too, as then you woul dhave the 3 Norns (Centurion, Atlas and King Crab). Although their winged depictions vary greatly too, and are often not winged, but the robes are much more likely for Norns.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norns



though the style of robe and the "halo" effect given, still bespeaks angels, also.

[orcrist86]

It's an old Christian symbol for the trinity. An upright triangle represents strength. 3 of them together is both a double down on the Trinity and an invocation to summon holy strength.
http://www.thisischu...ing/trinity.htm
http://altreligion.a...s/Triangles.htm


In Western society, the triangle most often has highly Christian meanings when used in a religious context. Because the Christian God is a trinity - Father, Son and Holy Ghost united in a single godhead – he is commonly represented by a triangle.

The orientation of a triangle can be important to it's meaning. For example, a point-up triangle might represent a strong foundation or stability, as it is rooted to the ground through a solid base.
The elements of earth and water formed from point-up triangles, even thou these are the two more material elements. Symbols for air and fire are formed from point-down triangles.

The point-up triangle can represent male energy, and fire and air are masculine elements. The point-down triangle can represent female energy, and water and earth are feminine energy.
Point-up triangles can also represent ascension toward the spiritual world, while the point-down triangle can represent a descent into the physical world.

[Bishop Steiner]

orcrist86, on 11 October 2014 - 06:30 AM, said:

It's an old Christian symbol for the trinity. An upright triangle represents strength. 3 of them together is both a double down on the Trinity and an invocation to summon holy strength.
http://www.thisischu...ing/trinity.htm
http://altreligion.a...s/Triangles.htm


In Western society, the triangle most often has highly Christian meanings when used in a religious context. Because the Christian God is a trinity - Father, Son and Holy Ghost united in a single godhead – he is commonly represented by a triangle.

The orientation of a triangle can be important to it's meaning. For example, a point-up triangle might represent a strong foundation or stability, as it is rooted to the ground through a solid base.
The elements of earth and water formed from point-up triangles, even thou these are the two more material elements. Symbols for air and fire are formed from point-down triangles.

The point-up triangle can represent male energy, and fire and air are masculine elements. The point-down triangle can represent female energy, and water and earth are feminine energy.
Point-up triangles can also represent ascension toward the spiritual world, while the point-down triangle can represent a descent into the physical world.

except that the Christian Church never really used the triple triangle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valknut