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[Kjudoon]

DEMAX51, on 11 October 2014 - 11:46 AM, said:

I know a lot of people freak out when they see 12 guys with the same unit tag on the enemy team, but I'm going to let you in on a little secret: a lot of them are not very good, or very coordinated at all.

If you stop resigning yourself to defeat before the fight even begins, you might find that a lot of 12-man teams are very beatable.

Edit: And also, keep in mind that 12 man team's Elo is inflated because they're in a large group. Assuming a relatively equal Elo for each team, that mean's your team of smaller groups is actually comprised of individual players who have a higher average Elo than the other team's players - it's basically a more skilled team vs a more coordinated team.

That's because in my experience, unless you know what group it is, and the names they fielded, it's a team PUG, not a competition team. They may be drunk/stoned/jokebuilt, not paying attention, just messing around, socializing, teaching or just plain there for the sake of someone else to get the glory.

You just don't know. That is why knowing the names of pilots beyond prolific forum warriors and watching who tops leader boards or is in the standings of public tournys helps.

[Johnny Reb]

If its anything like how I experience with a group. We started with 2 men for 4 drops then got a 3rd then we got more to a toatal of 10 tonight. If your a dedicated 2 then, especially EST as it goes primetime you will get bigger groups.

Edited by Johnny Reb, 12 October 2014 - 11:32 PM.

[Cygone]

I play in 8-12 man premade drops and it's literally just as un-fun as playing against them. I really wouldn't mind the queue changing, Solo Queue and 2/4man queues ONLY.

Edited by Cygone, 12 October 2014 - 11:36 PM.

[Redshift2k5]

Let's see some screenshots to back that up. Last time I played a night of matches with my unit the biggest opposition we faced was 10+2.

Playing on a different evening you may have had a different experience, but I certainly have not had any issue with fighting against an overabundance of 12s.

Keep in mind if you play a 2-man, you will likely be paired with a 10 (every 10 NEEDS precisely a 2!) and that 10 is likely being paired against a 12 (since the MM does try to bias group size and 10+2 is 12 is the next closest match to 12vs12) so playing fewer 2-mans may help keep you away from these 10+2 situations. Try 4, try joining a larger unit,etc

[Johnny Reb]

Redshift2k5, on 12 October 2014 - 11:38 PM, said:

Let's see some screenshots to back that up. Last time I played a night of matches with my unit the biggest opposition we faced was 10+2.

Playing on a different evening you may have had a different experience, but I certainly have not had any issue with fighting against an overabundance of 12s.

Keep in mind if you play a 2-man, you will likely be paired with a 10 (every 10 NEEDS precisely a 2!) and that 10 is likely being paired against a 12 (since the MM does try to bias group size and 10+2 is 12 is the next closest match to 12vs12) so playing fewer 2-mans may help keep you away from these 10+2 situations. Try 4, try joining a larger unit,etc

I find the worse group numbers for a drop are 3 man or 9 man.