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[Mad Strike]

You know what , i'm gonna pilot that little ******* and make people so butthurted they'll have to acknoledge that huggin is a good mech.

See you on the battlefield....or behind you but you know what i mean XD

hhmmpp....i still remember a DW on my team talking **** about my H on caustic valley .....got 6 mechs , 3 of them fresh on my own ***** pls

[Koniving]

Mcgral18, on 12 October 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

For 35 tons, you get the choice between the Ember and the Huginn.

Is it really a contest?

All the more reason for hardpoint restrictions. PGI would make a killing profit by doing it.

At the moment, here's what I have on the related topic:
Note that these are meant to come with an overhaul on weapon scales to make them match up across mechs (so the MG size of a Raven and an Ember would be identical, the AC/5 size between the two would also match, and packing in a UAC/5 is gonna be a huge addition to your hitbox).

Look at this craziness!

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This is insane. So many different sizes going around.
Anyway...

The two similar Ravens.

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RVN-4X
Current: 2 energy, 2 ballistic, 1 missile.
New: 1 Class II energy, 1 Class III missile (this one's inflated), 1 Class I ballistic.

• 1 Class II energy allows: 1 Large-type laser, or 2 Medium-type laser or 3 small type laser.
  
• Class I ballistic, see Huginn.
  
• 1 Class III missile allows: 1 LRM-20 / LRM-15, Mech Mortar 4/8, MRM-20 to 40, or 2 of class II missiles (see below).

Huginn
Current: 4 ballistic, 2 missile.
New based on stock weapons: 2 Class I ballistics, 1 Class II missile, 1 Class I missile.

• Just one Class I ballistic allows: 2 MGs (2 per slot). 1 AC/2. 2 AC/5.
  
• 1 Class I missile allows: LRM-5, SRM 2 or 4, Streak SRM-2, Mech Mortar/1.
  
• 1 Class II missile allows: LRM-10, SRM-6, NARC, Mech Mortar/2, MRM-10 (or 2 Class I missile weapons).

New based on weapon models provided already: 2 Class I ballistics, 2 Class III missiles OR 2 Class II ballistics and 2 Class II missiles.

• Class III missiles, see 4X.
  
• Class II missiles, see previous bullet list.
  
• Class II ballistic allows: 1 UAC/5, 1 AC/10, 1 LBX-10 OR 2 AC/5s, 2 AC/2s, or 3 MGs (this would mean you could do 3 MGs per arm).

The two similar Firestarters.

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FS9-H
Current: 6 energy, 2 ballistic.
New: 3 Class II energy (1 per arm and 1 CT), 2 Class I ballistic. (Gains 2 extra small lasers if using small lasers in the arms, can use 4 MGs. Maxes at 3 Large-type lasers. Can run 6 medium lasers and as already mentioned it could run 8 small lasers.

Ember
Current: 4 energy, 4 ballistic
New: 2 Class II energy, 2 Class II ballistic.
(Meaning you must choose between up to 2 large-type lasers, or 4 medium-type lasers, but you could squeeze in 6 small-type lasers total. Could get up to 6 MGs, but only two UAC/5s.)

You'll notice neither can do things like the Gauss Rifle, leaving room for us to get the Hollander.

Now Jenners. Includes variants not included in MWO.

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JR7-D
Current: 4 energy, 2 missile.
Original TT: 4 energy, 1 missile.
New: 4 Class I energy, 2 class I missile
(Can't equip SRM-6 or LRM-10, but can do twin Streaks, twin SRM-4s, twin LRM-5s).

JR7-K (The real difference here is that the JR7-K swapped the armor for ferro and put in a CASE, with a net result of slightly less armor than the D. That's the ONLY difference; this variant should not even exist in MWO).
Current: 4 energy, 1 missile.
Original: 4 energy, 1 missile.
New: 4 Class I energy, 1 Class II missile.
(Can equip LRM-10, SRM-6, new missile types not yet in MWO, but can also do the D's twin Class I weapons too).

JR7-F
Current: 6 energy.
Original: 4 energy.
New: 2 Class II energy (allowing 2 larges or 4 mediums or 6 smalls).

Oxide
Current: 4 missile.
Original: 6 missile. (missile models can be found in the game files for additional mounts on the arms).
New: 3 Class II missile launchers. OR 1 Class I missile (CT), 1 class I laser (CT), 2 Class II missiles (one per arm). (Any Class II launcher can be broken down into 2 Class I launchers). (You'll be hard-pressed to fill every slot and carry the ammo mind you).

Other heroes:
Jenner Grace (CAT)
Current: 2 energy, 1 missile
New: 2 Class II energy, 1 Class II missile.

Jenner Grace II
Current: 2 energy, 1 C3
New: 2 Class II energy (for Light PPCs). c3.

Jenner Samuli
Current: 4 energy, 1 missile (An LRM-15 on the RA while still having the RA lasers? What?)
New: 4 Class I energy, 1 Class III missile (RT to allow the LRM-15; it'd look awful to have this on the RA).

Edited by Koniving, 12 October 2014 - 08:10 PM.

[Dirus Nigh]

If the Huginn had energy points in stead of ballistic points I would have bought the mech the instant it came out. GMs with out energy back up is just bad. The mech is ammo dependent. GMs cannot strip armor. The ammunition for both the missiles and the GMs waste to much tonnage. In short I would rather have a jenner D

[Mcgral18]

strikebrch, on 12 October 2014 - 06:17 PM, said:

You know what , i'm gonna pilot that little ******* and make people so butthurted they'll have to acknoledge that huggin is a good mech.

See you on the battlefield....or behind you but you know what i mean XD

hhmmpp....i still remember a DW on my team talking **** about my H on caustic valley .....got 6 mechs , 3 of them fresh on my own ***** pls

That won't make the mech good.

It will always be mediocre. Just like the WubShee.

[C E Dwyer]

I see some dire wales struggling to get a three figure damage score, does it make it a bad mech no..

I loathed the huginn when I first ran it.

now its mastered I miss it

at the end of the day its what you think and if you have fun with it

[Alistair Winter]

I'm a dedicated Raven pilot and I own the Huginn. It's definitely the worst of all my Ravens. If the Huginn is good, then the 2X and 4X are just awesome killing machines.

As has been pointed out already, it's basically a vulture. It does well when others strip your targets for you. With SRMs, you have practically zero ability to strip armour on specific components. You're just spreading damage all over your target. And the MGs do the same. You may find a juicy rear torso that has been stripped to <10 armour, but in that situation, any light mech is deadly.

I really wanted to like this mech, because I'd been praying for a hero Raven with jump jets. But it has the worst hardpoint combo imaginable for the current meta. AC2s are useless, so it's not like you can experiment with different builds. It's MGs+SRMs or go home.

I wonder what quirks they'll give this one.

[Mazerius]

I love my locust 3M, and can get decent scores with it, its still a terribad mech lol and I dont mind saying it, quirks may change that but who knows. I also like the Oxide, but again the F is just better. There really are poorly optimized and laid out mechs in this game, people arent being mean by saying it lol.

[JediPanther]

Huggin is fun. You have the speed to be the anoying little back kicker. People often ignore mine untill the realize the srms are doing damage.

[Ultimax]

strikebrch, on 12 October 2014 - 06:17 PM, said:

You know what , i'm gonna pilot that little ******* and make people so butthurted they'll have to acknoledge that huggin is a good mech.

See you on the battlefield....or behind you but you know what i mean XD

hhmmpp....i still remember a DW on my team talking **** about my H on caustic valley .....got 6 mechs , 3 of them fresh on my own ***** pls

You're right dude, Huggin is a great mech.

These guys just don't know how to pilot it to maximize it's potential.


In fact, when the Devs did the Tier list for ALL IS MECHS the Huggin isn't even on the list!

That's because it's so awesome, if they put it at it's real tier they might have to nerf it.





When the rest of those crappy lights are getting their quirk buffs, the Huggin will be standing tall because it doesn't need any handouts.

[Scratx]

Guys, the Huginn isn't really hated...

It's just... bad. Particularly for a Hero mech. A standard variant is more forgivable in being deeply flawed, but the Huginn's only available for MC. It's practically Pay To Lose, even though, as people keep showing, somebody always seems to make it work for them. And that's great, that's part of what makes MWO so fun and awesome.

That's all, really. We're not trying to be mean or anything for stating this. If you think otherwise, I don't know what to say.

[FupDup]

Ultimatum X, on 12 October 2014 - 07:09 PM, said:

You're right dude, Huggin is a great mech.

These guys just don't know how to pilot it to maximize it's potential.


In fact, when the Devs did the Tier list for ALL IS MECHS the Huggin isn't even on the list!

That's because it's so awesome, if they put it at it's real tier they might have to nerf it.





When the rest of those crappy lights are getting their quirk buffs, the Huggin will be standing tall because it doesn't need any handouts.

Russ mentioned in his thread that the Huggin' (misspelled on purpose) is T5.

[Ultimax]

FupDup, on 12 October 2014 - 07:11 PM, said:

Russ mentioned in his thread that the Huggin' (misspelled on purpose) is T5.

As much as I hate to say it the devs are wrong on this one.

It's way better than T5, honestly if they buff it I think it will be truly OP.

[FupDup]

Ultimatum X, on 12 October 2014 - 07:12 PM, said:

As much as I hate to say it the devs are wrong on this one.

It's way better than T5, honestly if they buff it I think it will be truly OP.

Tier 0 FTW.

[Scratx]

FupDup, on 12 October 2014 - 07:14 PM, said:

Tier 0 FTW.

That's the Timberwolf.

[ArchMage Sparrowhawk]

I love my Huginn.