134 replies to this topic

[DivineEvil]

Logan Hawke, on 13 October 2014 - 04:46 AM, said:

Hmmm, let's spin the wheel of antagonism!

Is the OP:
1) Trolling
2) Facing such a language barrier that he comes off as a condescending douche despite his good intentions
3) genuinely a combative and condescending douche
4) someone who very much believes they are right and everyone else is wrong no matter what ala Rush Limbaugh
5) Mystery Option!!!!1!1!!!one!!!1!!

I'm tending towards the second variant.

[Cybercrime]

Example of interesting mech design:

[DamnCatte]

Battletech operates on something greater than real world common sense. It's called Rule of Cool. Why do we play games where we duke it out in giant man shaped robots? Because it's awesome.

Frankly, I think the best thing PGI could include to widen the game as a Mechwarrior title would be melee combat. It's been missing in all Mechwarrior games, but was a huge part of Battletech proper. And you'll decide you want that humanoid arm when an Atlas decides to pick up your raven and use it like a bludgeon. And why? Because it's cool.

[zagibu]

ODONATA, on 13 October 2014 - 05:30 AM, said:

Example of interesting mech design:

[PIC]

Yeah, we get it, you hate arms and you love chicken legs.

[Cybercrime]

zagibu, on 13 October 2014 - 05:35 AM, said:

Yeah, we get it, you hate arms and you love chicken legs.

OK
Look at NOVA. What is the benefit of NOVA arms? Ugly stumps?

[Sirius Drake]

ODONATA, on 13 October 2014 - 05:41 AM, said:

OK
Look at NOVA. What is the benefit of NOVA arms? Ugly stumps?

Who cares? Thats the way it looks like.

[Lily from animove]

ODONATA, on 13 October 2014 - 05:41 AM, said:

OK
Look at NOVA. What is the benefit of NOVA arms? Ugly stumps?

bets manly trained arms in whole MWO, how dare you to say that! Ever seen stormcrow arms and hands? Thats is actually pitiful, they look more like devices to piece something or drill themselves into the opponent.

[Lemming211]

This is a fantasy game, based on a concept developed in the early 80s. Very little of it "makes sense" in a tactical or technological standpoint.

[Impyrium]

ODONATA, on 13 October 2014 - 05:30 AM, said:

Example of interesting mech design:

There's a game for you out there. I believe it is called Hawken.

You want designs that do not fit BattleTech's lore, style, its own sense or really anything aesthetically pleasing. You want something realistic in an extremely unrealistic setting.

And, I emphasize 'you' here- there are plenty of 'Mechs from BT still to be added, and there's no reason to add in these 'other' 'Mech ideas of yours. I don't think anybody really wants non-BattleTech 'Mechs. This is a BattleTech game, it will always be that, and no, games do not magically morph into what you consider to make 'sense'.

[Cybercrime]

AUSwarrior24, on 13 October 2014 - 05:57 AM, said:

There's a game for you out there. I believe it is called Hawken. You want designs that do not fit BattleTech's lore, style, its own sense or really anything aesthetically pleasing. You want something realistic in an extremely unrealistic setting. And, I emphasize 'you' here- there are plenty of 'Mechs from BT still to be added, and there's no reason to add in these 'other' 'Mech ideas of yours. I don't think anybody really wants non-BattleTech 'Mechs. This is a BattleTech game, it will always be that, and no, games do not magically morph into what you consider to make 'sense'.

Hawken mechs is less realistic than in MWO. And they're look like toys.
Mech on my picture can remind hawken only because of short legs. But torso design is canonical for mechwarrior(looks like little catapult).

[Dracol]

Game / Video Game philosophy 101: If its cool looking, realism be damned.

ODONATA, no argument you make will nullify that basic concept. Humanoid mech designs are popular not because they are realistic. They are popular because they look cool and people can identify with them.

Going by your logic, that in reality we'd never see the mechs we have, then MW:O should be redesigned so we're launching missiles from a mile or two away with out every seeing the enemy.

Your basic premise ODONATA is flawed. Realism has no place in this science fiction game. Definition of fiction: invention or fabrication as opposed to fact.

This is a science fiction game, not a science fact game.

Edited by Dracol, 13 October 2014 - 06:14 AM.

[AdamBaines]

ODONATA, on 12 October 2014 - 11:13 PM, said:

When I was 6 or 7 years child I had a Mechwarrior coloring book where Black Knight was my......

Other Stuff

The thread is proof that some people just have WAYYYYYY too much time on their hands.....

....and sadly, with my response to the thread, that includes me.....

EDIT: On a side note, the mech you noted as interesting and different than existing cannon mechs, is basically a mech already designed.....the Argus.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Argus

Edited by AdamBaines, 13 October 2014 - 06:29 AM.

[Cybercrime]

AdamBaines, on 13 October 2014 - 06:23 AM, said:

The thread is proof that some people just have WAYYYYYY too much time on their hands.....

....and sadly, with my response to the thread, that includes me.....

EDIT: On a side note, the mech you noted as interesting and different than existing cannon mechs, is basically a mech already designed.....the Argus.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Argus

Yes! There is no difference between that butt


and that art

Edited by ODONATA, 13 October 2014 - 06:35 AM.

[Dracol]

ODONATA, on 13 October 2014 - 05:30 AM, said:

Example of interesting mech design:

One note, totally unrealistic. Who in their right mind would design a war machine were the operator sits dead center behind some glass?

Edit to add: Since you want to see these types of unrealistic mechs in the game, then the unrealistic nature of humanoid mechs are also fair game.

Edited by Dracol, 13 October 2014 - 06:37 AM.

[Cybercrime]

Dracol, on 13 October 2014 - 06:35 AM, said:

One note, totally unrealistic. Who in their right mind would design a war machine were the operator sits dead center behind some glass?

US Army for example...

Edited by ODONATA, 13 October 2014 - 06:43 AM.

[AdamBaines]

ODONATA, on 13 October 2014 - 06:34 AM, said:

Yes! There is no difference between that butt


and that art

I have no doubt Alex would make it interesting....much more then either example.

[Dracol]

ODONATA, on 13 October 2014 - 06:42 AM, said:

US Army for example...

Let me then clarify, a land based war machine.

[Scratx]

XtremWarrior, on 13 October 2014 - 12:07 AM, said:

• Cephalus

Cephalus is a Society Omnimech built around the idea of bringing the Nova CEWS into the battlefield. I have severe doubts about its viability in this game. Even if we ignore the fact the Society is a faction who lasts for less time than the Word of Blake does and with a much smaller overall impact in the setting. (Only place where they really had an impact was Clan-space and to a much smaller degree the clan occupation zones)

[Dracol]

ODONATA, on 13 October 2014 - 06:42 AM, said:

US Army for example...

Notice how there are no windows and the crew are surrounded by armor?

So once again: Since you want to see those types of unrealistic mechs in the game, then the unrealistic nature of humanoid mechs are also fair game.

Edited by Dracol, 13 October 2014 - 06:55 AM.

[Scratx]

ODONATA, on 13 October 2014 - 03:58 AM, said:

Owner of MechWarrior® copyrights can create new mechs. And they automatically becomes BattleMechs from BattleTech.
I don't hate humanoid mechs I just say that they are ridiculous from the common sense point of view.

They do become Battletech mechs, but are considered Apocryphal. In other words, unless the owner of BATTLETECH copyrights, aka Catalyst Labs (?), says "Yep, it's Canon", it is not BT Canon.

There's been examples of this. For example, the Aeron VTOL showed up in a Mechwarrior game before it was canonized in a TRO, if I recall correctly. It is considered canon, now, but it wasn't when it went into the game.


Also, OP, it's classy to like your own posts.


Edit : Argh, Dracol, you ninja-posted and screwed my intention of having these two posts merge. *stabbities in irritation, then shares the popcorn*

Edited by Scratx, 13 October 2014 - 06:54 AM.