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[Xarian]

I know it, you know it, your mother knows it, and your goldfish knows it: if PGI made and sold the Kodiak, they'd be rolling around in money like Scrooge McDuck.

Releasing the Kodiak should be a priority for PGI after CW. Why? Because every Clanner with disposable income would buy one. Why is that, you ask?

• It has claws - that were never intended for melee, so no worries there
  
• It's big, scary, and at least 173% more awesome than the Awesome
  
• It can use a varied selection of weapons and doesn't "boat" effectively
  
• It would allow PGI to cement their policy on Clan BattleMechs (suggestion: exactly the same as IS battlemechs, but keep the locked engine, structure, and armor - not heat sinks)
  
• It fills a niche that needs filling for the Clans - frontline, in-your-face assault mech brawlers

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[Creovex]

I would go in debt for this mech

(figure of speech, fyi, I got money)

Edited by Creovex, 16 October 2014 - 04:17 PM.

[FupDup]

No, PGI's license to print money is the all-powerful URBANMECH.

[Ph30nix]

no the Print money mech will be the mauler.

well actualy it would be the urbanmech but i doubt we will ever see that so realistically its the mauler

[Bhael Fire]

Kodiak and Piranha are two Clan mechs I would pay good money for.

As for IS mechs, we all know that the forbidden mechs would bring in a fortune; Warhammer, Rifleman, Marauder, etc.

[Chrithu]

FupDup, on 16 October 2014 - 04:16 PM, said:

No, PGI's license to print money is the all-powerful URBANMECH.

How about an Urbanmech that pilots a modified Kodiak?

Edited by Jason Parker, 16 October 2014 - 04:33 PM.

[Xarian]

Bhael Fire, on 16 October 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

Kodiak and Piranha are two Clan mechs I would pay good money for.

As for IS mechs, we all know that the forbidden mechs would bring in a fortune; Warhammer, Rifleman, Marauder, etc.

I would also pay out the ear for a Stone Rhino, but that one is nowhere near the level of the Kodiak.

It's a giant freaking bear.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Yeah, Kodiak would be nice. I'm on board so we can get some rules set in place for the not omni mechs. I'm completely in favor of your suggestion. Essentially lock the engine, endo, and ferro and otherwise treat them as IS mechs. I wouldn't be opposed to just saying they're omni mechs, though.

Edited by Rouken, 16 October 2014 - 04:39 PM.

[Xarian]

Rouken, on 16 October 2014 - 04:38 PM, said:

Yeah, Kodiak would be nice. I'm on board so we can get some rules set in place for the not omni mechs. I'm completely in favor of your suggestion. Essentially lock the engine, endo, and ferro and otherwise treat them as IS mechs. I wouldn't be opposed to just saying they're omni mechs, though.

Making them omnimechs would mean creating omnipods. Mechs are easier to balance without omnipods, and I think Clanners would be willing to make the trade - unlock all heat sinks, but give up omnipods - if the mechs were cool enough.

The Kodiak is definitely cool enough.

[FupDup]

Rouken, on 16 October 2014 - 04:38 PM, said:

Yeah, Kodiak would be nice. I'm on board so we can get some rules set in place for the not omni mechs. I'm completely in favor of your suggestion. Essentially lock the engine, endo, and ferro and otherwise treat them as IS mechs. I wouldn't be opposed to just saying they're omni mechs, though.

That would make Clan regular mechs inferior to Clan Omnimechs though.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Xarian, on 16 October 2014 - 04:43 PM, said:

Making them omnimechs would mean creating omnipods. Mechs are easier to balance without omnipods, and I think Clanners would be willing to make the trade - unlock all heat sinks, but give up omnipods - if the mechs were cool enough.

The Kodiak is definitely cool enough.

I think its a good idea, but the problem is what FupDup said.

FupDup, on 16 October 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

That would make Clan regular mechs inferior to Clan Omnimechs though.

Although, I think that is a bit of blanket statement for something that would differ case by case. But I could see a number of them being inferior.

I think we can all agree that treating them like IS battlemechs would be a mistake, though.

Edited by Rouken, 16 October 2014 - 04:53 PM.

[Xarian]

Rouken, on 16 October 2014 - 04:49 PM, said:

I think its a good idea, but the problem is what FupDup said.

FupDup, on 16 October 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

That would make Clan regular mechs inferior to Clan Omnimechs though.

It's only inferior if you consider locked hardpoints to be completely inferior. I don't - plenty of IS mechs have great hardpoints. Jagermechs, Catapults, Atlases - none of them are really suffering from having fixed hardpoints.

You could also unlock Endo and Ferro slots - you couldn't remove the upgrade, but you could dynamically move them around the mech, just like IS mechs. Add in unlocked heat sinks as well, and you get a nice blend of IS and Clan without being superior or inferior to either one.

Edited by Xarian, 16 October 2014 - 04:54 PM.

[NocturnalBeast]

As cool as it would be, I doubt it would ever happen. The Kodiak is a second-line non-Omni mech with non-fixed clan components (including the engine).

[FupDup]

Xarian, on 16 October 2014 - 04:50 PM, said:

It's only inferior if you consider locked hardpoints to be completely inferior. I don't - plenty of IS mechs have great hardpoints. Jagermechs, Catapults, Atlases - none of them are really suffering from having fixed hardpoints.

You could also unlock Endo and Ferro slots - you couldn't remove the upgrade, but you could dynamically move them around the mech, just like IS mechs. Add in unlocked heat sinks as well, and you get a nice blend of IS and Clan without being superior or inferior to either one.

IS mechs do well with locked hardpoints because every other aspect of them is unlocked. Also, Clans so far haven't gotten any hardpoint inflation, while nearly all IS mechs have in some form. Unlocked heat sinks wouldn't really do much because most of them just have DHS by default anyways (although it would help the few outliers like the Piranha).

[Soul Tribunal]

If PGI wanted to make...a boat load of money they'd do it this way:

1)Release Urbanmech, Bushwacker, Mauler
2) Count Money
3)??????
4) Profit!!!!!

-ST

[Green Mamba]

Or they could get CW going strong to get Players to Come back to the game FIRST AND THEN start worry about another 100 ton Mech

[Golden Vulf]

It's not an omni mech, they said the locked items were only locked for omni mechs, even inner sphere omni mechs.

So a regular fully customizable 100-ton clan battlemech with hard point inflation, that we can give endo steel and clan FF armor. It would be outstanding. Think Direwolf with 7 extra tons of pod space by default, dynamic armor and structure hardpoints and a changeable engine, and the ability to take jump jets.

It would not completely obsolete a few of the 80 ton assault mechs that can take 400 engines, but everything else...

Bushwacker and Mauler are out of the current era. Urbanmech is not a good mech.

Edited by Golden Vulf, 16 October 2014 - 05:21 PM.

[Sable]

Although as a Ghost Bear i will be obligated to buy a Kodiak it's not at the top of the list of mechs i do want. Those would be the Blood Asp, Cauldron Born, Shadow Cat. And the IS side of me, Mauler. In fact of the upcoming IS pack that's been rumored doesn't include the Mauler then there's no point in buying it. If PGI really wants my money they need to release the Mauler. That way i can do my Mauler Monday Madness campaign

[El Bandito]

No, the print money mechs will be of uber-cheese class such as the Kraken or the Piranha.

Edited by El Bandito, 16 October 2014 - 05:24 PM.

[Xarian]

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No, the print money will be uber-cheese mechs such as the Kraken or the Piranha.

I'm not sure how the Kraken is uber-cheese, or how it would even sell - it looks like a pile of turds, and its default loadout is utterly unusable (10x AC/2)

Green Mamba, on 16 October 2014 - 05:03 PM, said:

Or they could get CW going strong to get Players to Come back to the game FIRST AND THEN start worry about another 100 ton Mech

You could try reading the OP.

Unless we're not allowed to discuss anything until after CW is published, right?

Edited by Xarian, 16 October 2014 - 05:27 PM.