206 replies to this topic

[Dimitry Matveyev]

Oh, please, make it possible to chenge the color scheme of the new Cent to a standart variant. And the right arm - please, remake this plug. It looks horrible. And with three guns - three times more horrible!

[aniviron]

Does anyone else feel like the CN9s got a higher res skin with the update? They look shinier, have more sharply defined lines, and are much dirtier/worn. Same thing as the Ravens got when they got a model update.

Malleus011, on 21 October 2014 - 09:50 AM, said:

I appreciate the effort and resources that go into these 'mech retrofits.

The loyalty skin especially looks excellent.

As for the retrofit - I'm afraid I'm among the ranks of those who find this unappealing - and not just for a small AC/20 barrel. A great deal of MWO's appeal is visual; the design and artwork of the game's Battlemechs are one of its strongest selling points.

Thus far, 'mechs which have undergone this treatment have always lost visual appeal. Some have lost quite a lot (the Catapult) and really need to be revisited. It seems to me that the retrofits are not being delivered to the standards of art design and appeal that the original designs were delivered with. This is a much less appealing Centurion than the first model.

Granted, making the weapons modular is a design challenge, and it takes time and resources to refit these assets. However, we've seen with the Clans that it is possible to be modular and appealing at the same time. I'd very much like to see that standard of art direction applied to the retrofits - even if it takes more time.

If that isn't possible due to resource limitations, I'd like to see the original geometry made available as a selectable option. I'd much rather drive a big-barreled K2 or small-box Cat or missile door Cent than he new retrofitted version.

Ideally, the old geometry (and new options) could be made available as store purchases to allow us to customize the looks of our 'mechs even further - but I realize that option lies much farther in the future.

Couldn't agree more with this sentiment. If necessary, make the entire lower arm change depending on what's inside. If there's an AC/LB10/20 in there, make the arm use the model from the main cannon that it's traditionally used. Bolt on the MGs or AC2s to the sides if you have to.

[Bloodweaver]

New tigerstripe camo on Cent is :'(

Really, WHY

[stjobe]

Some side-by-side comparisons of the pre- and post-patch Centurion:

CN9-A (with AC/10)


CN9-AL (with dual LLs)


CN9-D (with LB10-X and MG)


I'm not entirely sure I like the new Tigerstripe camo (in fact, I don't like it at all - it looks like some WWII German battleship camo, not tiger stripes), and as I feared the new gun geometry looks plain bad.

Do it right, PGI, or don't do it at all - ever heard of that one?

[SirSlaughter]

The missile shoulder is really nice, but the gun arm is terribad.

[Destoroyah]

yes they need to bring back the old gun arms. The new arm uber sucks. The old AL arm didn't need to be changes in the least as it had plenty of room to put the two laser squares on it or even the PPC if shrunk down a wee bit(The Flame dragon uses a similar arm so the same would apply). The new plug Arm is not only too small compared to the other arm, but doesn't look like it can handle a gun as massive as a AC20. They should bring back the old arm with interchangeable head barrels if your using a single Ballistic and the new one can be used if you multi ballistic(though the plug arm still needs a 25-50% size increase).

I just hope they learned a lesson here and don't butcher the dragon gun arm like they did with the cent.

Edited by Destoroyah, 24 October 2014 - 08:24 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

I am OK with the arm changes. However, I don't like the new missile slots as much as before. I understand dynamic blah blah blah, but the missile doors and layout is part of the Cent's signature look IMO.

[RetroActive]

stjobe, on 23 October 2014 - 12:39 AM, said:

Some side-by-side comparisons of the pre- and post-patch Centurion:

CN9-A (with AC/10)


CN9-AL (with dual LLs)


CN9-D (with LB10-X and MG)


I'm not entirely sure I like the new Tigerstripe camo (in fact, I don't like it at all - it looks like some WWII German battleship camo, not tiger stripes), and as I feared the new gun geometry looks plain bad.

Do it right, PGI, or don't do it at all - ever heard of that one?

I guess I'm the only one that thinks the post patch Centurion looks better in all these scree caps?

[Bishop Steiner]

RetroActive, on 24 October 2014 - 08:50 AM, said:

I guess I'm the only one that thinks the post patch Centurion looks better in all these scree caps?

I thought Tiger looked pretty meh before, now it just looks "cleaner" and meh.

[Ultimax]

I think most of the clan mechs have the same version of Tiger as the Cent re-skin.

I like the old one better, the new one has way too much zig-zag going on, it's too noisy.

[Kitty Bacon]

RetroActive, on 24 October 2014 - 08:50 AM, said:

I guess I'm the only one that thinks the post patch Centurion looks better in all these scree caps?

I like it too.

Plus PGI has already stated that the AC 20 barrel does not work right atm (Its too small for their liking) if I remember right. They are more than likely going to tweek it here soon. Least I hope so.

But the Cent looks cleaner and better to me. Just wish the Animations were touched on a bit.

Plus gameplay wise, the new arm is harder to hit so you can keep that main weapon alive longer lol

Edited by Kitty Bacon, 24 October 2014 - 09:30 AM.

[mogs01gt]

stjobe, on 23 October 2014 - 12:39 AM, said:

Some side-by-side comparisons of the pre- and post-patch Centurion:

CN9-A (with AC/10)


CN9-AL (with dual LLs)


CN9-D (with LB10-X and MG)


I'm not entirely sure I like the new Tigerstripe camo (in fact, I don't like it at all - it looks like some WWII German battleship camo, not tiger stripes), and as I feared the new gun geometry looks plain bad.

Do it right, PGI, or don't do it at all - ever heard of that one?

Wow redo looks 100x better IMO!

[Deathlike]

Am I wrong in thinking the gun arm is a tad higher now?

[stjobe]

Deathlike, on 24 October 2014 - 01:41 PM, said:

Am I wrong in thinking the gun arm is a tad higher now?

Sort of... the arm is in the same place, but the barrel is higher (the old barrel is centered, the new ones are above/below the centerline).

Just grab a ruler (or anything straight) and hold up against the pictures you'll see what I mean

[Deathlike]

stjobe, on 24 October 2014 - 01:52 PM, said:

Sort of... the arm is in the same place, but the barrel is higher (the old barrel is centered, the new ones are above/below the centerline).

Just grab a ruler (or anything straight) and hold up against the pictures you'll see what I mean

Well, I'm not grabbing a ruler.. but I see what you mean. Is it just possible the arm is pointed higher instead?

[Nathan Foxbane]

Deathlike, on 24 October 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Well, I'm not grabbing a ruler.. but I see what you mean. Is it just possible the arm is pointed higher instead?

The new lower arm is also a bit smaller than the old. Needs a tad less upscaling than the weapons, but still needs it.

Edited by Nathan Foxbane, 24 October 2014 - 02:34 PM.

[RalphVargr]

I failed to realize that there was this much history behind the design, hence the outcry for it's return.

It's like a 1964-1966 Ford Mustang. Wanted one really bad when they first came out (Yes, whippersnappers, I'm that old). Finally got to drive one. It drove like a Ford Fairlane, with a really, really badass acceleration curve. Most of the cars I drove for SCCA competition were designed to be sports cars, and could beat the Mustang in anything but a drag run. Finally drove a Superbird that nearly went to lightspeed. *That* was power. Affordable power. Only the V-12's, or other exotica could touch one for speed and acceleration.

Sex appeal, but a one-night stand. Prepare for the morning after...

I drive a Corolla now, and I'm happy.

[stjobe]

Deathlike, on 24 October 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Well, I'm not grabbing a ruler.. but I see what you mean. Is it just possible the arm is pointed higher instead?

What's really possible is that the 'mechs are pointed in different directions. The "before" and "after" shots were taken on different occasions.

As for the current ones looking better - well, they should. The textures are about twice the resolution now.

Too bad that only lets us see the misshapen gun arms better

[Deathlike]

Honestly, I'm not bothered by this change... but a smaller gun arm is a buff... especially for the YLW and the AH.

I do get why people react to such, but... I'm not a form over function kind of guy.

[Destoroyah]

Yeah looking at the mutilated gun arm makes me die a little inside. Even if they scale the AC 20 barrel up the arm still sucks the old arm had way more character this new arm is just a fancy rectangle with barrels strapped on the end. Dreading the Dragon Custom Pass.

Edited by Destoroyah, 24 October 2014 - 05:42 PM.