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[TheExecuter]

Hello,

I just recently reentered MWO after a long pause, basically after obtaining the Phoenix Package and getting stomped like hell in the stock variants, so I missed about a year on this. Before, I was a Founder and enjoyed the Closed Beta but gave it up for lacking game progression. I simply couldn't obtain motivation for playing the same stuff on and on and on.

So, now I'm back, right after clan Invasion, and despite I get blown out of my cockpit almost every match I just love it. I hardly make it further than 8. or 9. in team according to match points, but wayne. On the other side, I don't see many players loving this game, neither in the drop nor in the forum.

First, there seems to be something called "Meta-Mechs/Mechconfigurations", the state of the art munchkin weapon set based on buffs and nerfs. Anyone not using them seems to be a downright idiot. WTF?

Second, I see so much hate about the game mode changes, and if you play skirmish or assault or conquest, because "Uhh I choose big fat assault (nothing wrong with this) and now I have to wander the map for conquest points, PGI IS SO BAD AND EVIL TO ME, REFUND MY MONEY". You're piloting more firepower than the three lights in your company together and still complain because the game may last longer than 2 minutes. WTF?

Third, I see a hate on the new quirk system which is clearly to bring more "useful" mech variants to game. I put useful in "" because I don't think any mech now is downright useless, but there are just good and not-so-good-mechs. I remember the old Catapult with its huge head target box, beeing killed by whatever shot near its center but now some people complain about the AC20-Hunch getting some buffs (meaning its huge RT will be destroyed 1.3 secs later and he'll maybe shed out a second load of ac20 before beeing reduced to a big fat locust). Why? Because you bring the not-so-good mechs a little on par with the calculated, minmaxed munchkins? WTF.

Fourth, I read some serious hate about a guy who asked for a direct way on transforming MCs to CBills because he was willing to pay for equipment but not grind every day for 2 hours and stay competitive with his friends, because he had a job and children and just enjoyed the rare freetime in this game. Well, this was an older threat, but the sheer mass of hate was astonishing. So much crying for P2W etc. WTF.

It all seems to be about competition, maxed out munchkin competition. "I play the most games (and therefor have lots of cbills for customizing), I bring my META-Mechs maxed out with quirks and Pilot Skills on just the maps and Playstyles I dominante with them, and for gods sake, don't make the lesser mechs better because it will ruin my perfectly crafted machine." Hell, thats fun. That sums up to the attitude of someone who cheats on little kids just for the sheer love of winning.

I, for my personal style, would love a 3025-stock-dropmode. Just plain old tech. But I don't go ranting on this. The rampaging haters I would suggest going for real competition (maybe CoD or BF4? ;-)) or playing some WoT and get a rage on there for always dropping in your brawler tank on a wide and open map.

Or maybe your parents just have to buy you some big-boys-trousers and a can of DEALWITHIT™.

Maybe I get this all wrong, then please, help me understand.

Kind regards

Executer

[El Bandito]

TheExecuter, on 18 October 2014 - 03:08 AM, said:

I Don't Understand The Forum Topics Anymore :-)

Edited by El Bandito, 18 October 2014 - 03:25 AM.

[Vassago Rain]

Here, this one's better.

[DarkBazerker]

From what I could gather over the years. MWO player base is alot like most mmos. The player complain when they don't get what they want, and when they are given what they want. At the end of the day the vocal minority is mostly made up of whinning kids or trolls. My advice: Take it with a grain of salt and move past it, cause its everywhere.

[oldradagast]

DarkBazerker, on 18 October 2014 - 05:46 AM, said:

From what I could gather over the years. MWO player base is alot like most mmos. The player complain when they don't get what they want, and when they are given what they want. At the end of the day the vocal minority is mostly made up of whinning kids or trolls. My advice: Take it with a grain of salt and move past it, cause its everywhere.

Most internet forums are fully of trolls, anger, whining, and so on. It is fascinating, and yet sad, to watch normally reasonably intelligent people turn into screaming hate-flingers when given an internet forum on which to vent. And, yes, it is also funny to watch the community complain when they are NOT given what they want and when they ARE given what they want.

Forum: "PGI is not sticking to lore - they stink!" "Only a few mechs are viable - PGI stinks!"
PGI: "Here are some quirks to help the weaker mechs, and many of them are lore-based."
Forum: "PGI's quirks don't apply to my favorite build! They stink!"

And so on. Of course, if you think it's bad here, you should see what goes on in internet forums dealing with politics, social issues, etc. The ignorance there is so strong that I'm surprised the haters can even use a computer.

Edited by oldradagast, 18 October 2014 - 05:53 AM.

[Impyrium]

First, try not to base your image of the community on those forum topics. There's always the certain few who want something changed dramatically, or are angry, or don't like something, or just don't see the whole picture. They certainly don't represent us, in any case- they just tend to be more vocal.

TheExecuter, on 18 October 2014 - 03:08 AM, said:

First, there seems to be something called "Meta-Mechs/Mechconfigurations", the state of the art munchkin weapon set based on buffs and nerfs. Anyone not using them seems to be a downright idiot. WTF?

There's always been the 'meta', just the 'Mechs out there that work best for competition. You can't blame players for using them, as anybody that wants to win will use what gives them the edge. I can blame, on the other hand, the people that stubbornly cling to it. I for one avoid it as much as possible. Hopefully the quirks shake things up a lot.

TheExecuter, on 18 October 2014 - 03:08 AM, said:

Second, I see so much hate about the game mode changes, and if you play skirmish or assault or conquest, because "Uhh I choose big fat assault (nothing wrong with this) and now I have to wander the map for conquest points, PGI IS SO BAD AND EVIL TO ME, REFUND MY MONEY". You're piloting more firepower than the three lights in your company together and still complain because the game may last longer than 2 minutes. WTF?

Ah yes, that would be the very vocal minority again. Unfortunately they tend to rally others that wouldn't have cared that much around them. People had the ability to change modes, ironically after not having it before, and according to them loosing it would equal the world exploding around them. Over dramatic, that's what. You see it everywhere. People take the game far too seriously, perhaps spending too much money and therefore becoming far too attached to it.

TheExecuter, on 18 October 2014 - 03:08 AM, said:

Third, I see a hate on the new quirk system which is clearly to bring more "useful" mech variants to game. I put useful in "" because I don't think any mech now is downright useless, but there are just good and not-so-good-mechs. I remember the old Catapult with its huge head target box, beeing killed by whatever shot near its center but now some people complain about the AC20-Hunch getting some buffs (meaning its huge RT will be destroyed 1.3 secs later and he'll maybe shed out a second load of ac20 before beeing reduced to a big fat locust). Why? Because you bring the not-so-good mechs a little on par with the calculated, minmaxed munchkins? WTF.

Again, just a few that can't see the big picture. Most of us our eagerly awaiting the quirks with bated breath.

TheExecuter, on 18 October 2014 - 03:08 AM, said:

It all seems to be about competition, maxed out munchkin competition. "I play the most games (and therefor have lots of cbills for customizing), I bring my META-Mechs maxed out with quirks and Pilot Skills on just the maps and Playstyles I dominante with them, and for gods sake, don't make the lesser mechs better because it will ruin my perfectly crafted machine." Hell, thats fun. That sums up to the attitude of someone who cheats on little kids just for the sheer love of winning.

I, for my personal style, would love a 3025-stock-dropmode. Just plain old tech. But I don't go ranting on this. The rampaging haters I would suggest going for real competition (maybe CoD or BF4? ;-)) or playing some WoT and get a rage on there for always dropping in your brawler tank on a wide and open map.

It exists in every game. Ultimately it boils down to a fear of change- people become attached to something they spent money on and expect it to stay that way. It never works like that in a F2P game, for it's constantly evolving. Also, some people are just plain self-centred and only see as far as their own fun, rather than the game for everyone else. Thankfully that's not that many of us.

Either way, the forum can get pretty toxic sometimes. I've found the game is a lot more enjoyable if you avoid the forums and just play the game, as you can avoid all the arguments and controversies... but here I am, constantly posting every day...

[Bluttrunken]

oldradagast, on 18 October 2014 - 05:53 AM, said:

Most internet forums are fully of trolls, anger, whining, and so on. It is fascinating, and yet sad, to watch normally reasonably intelligent people turn into screaming hate-flingers when given an internet forum on which to vent. And, yes, it is also funny to watch the community complain when they are NOT given what they want and when they ARE given what they want.

Forum: "PGI is not sticking to lore - they stink!" "Only a few mechs are viable - PGI stinks!"
PGI: "Here are some quirks to help the weaker mechs, and many of them are lore-based."
Forum: "PGI's quirks don't apply to my favorite build! They stink!"

And so on. Of course, if you think it's bad here, you should see what goes on in internet forums dealing with politics, social issues, etc. The ignorance there is so strong that I'm surprised the haters can even use a computer.

Well it's basically like this... after the developer satisfied the first batch of complainers, the second batch of complainers comes in to complain about the changes made for the first batch. To satisfy the 2nd batch of complainers compromises are made where the first batch doesn't agree and the 2nd batch says "thats not enough". After some work the developer might have satisfied the 1st batch *and 2nd batch but a 3rd batch comes in and raises totally different issues which a 4th batch *doesn't sees as an issue at all*. etcetera etcetera

You can't make everyone happy. Try and be prepared to fail. With all the changes coming recently I think PGI does the only reasonable thing. They do their best.

To be honest I don't know how some developers can still take that ****. I guess most filter the 33% viable concerns and ignore the 66% of egocentric hatetrolls whose prime ability is to stomp their feet while crying for candy.

Edited by k05h3lk1n, 18 October 2014 - 06:11 AM.

[TheExecuter]

Thank you all for your kind responses, although I don't get the first two. I have a lot of gaming under the hood, and quite a bit of online-gaming as well, but at least in the Closed Beta-Phase, this game and community was different. People where... Calm, nice, even trying to roleplay in every Pug-Game. And then, somewhere, this thing went the way all MMORPGs go if they reach a certain user base.

I just wanted to see if I'm dead wrong with my expectations. I knew MWO to have a very vocal and loud user base (I remember the implementation of the nice but pretty useless 3rd person view which literally nuked this forum) and sometimes I have a fear that 20 screaming kids slow down or stop everything, or even rewind decisions made that take some time to become fully effective.

I'm just about sure that every single user would have made this game different in at least one aspect of it, be it consumables, weapon convergence, ghost heat etc. What I would really love is if everyone would try to do his best on himself and his gaming attitude before raising hell on an AC20-Nerf, as this would by far increase everyones gaming experience ;-)

Again, thank your for your responses!

[oldradagast]

TheExecuter, on 18 October 2014 - 07:52 AM, said:

Thank you all for your kind responses, although I don't get the first two. I have a lot of gaming under the hood, and quite a bit of online-gaming as well, but at least in the Closed Beta-Phase, this game and community was different. People where... Calm, nice, even trying to roleplay in every Pug-Game. And then, somewhere, this thing went the way all MMORPGs go if they reach a certain user base.

I just wanted to see if I'm dead wrong with my expectations. I knew MWO to have a very vocal and loud user base (I remember the implementation of the nice but pretty useless 3rd person view which literally nuked this forum) and sometimes I have a fear that 20 screaming kids slow down or stop everything, or even rewind decisions made that take some time to become fully effective.

I'm just about sure that every single user would have made this game different in at least one aspect of it, be it consumables, weapon convergence, ghost heat etc. What I would really love is if everyone would try to do his best on himself and his gaming attitude before raising hell on an AC20-Nerf, as this would by far increase everyones gaming experience ;-)

Again, thank your for your responses!

One thing to keep in mind - while the forums, like most internet forums, are rather depressing to read, they do not represent the community at large. Additionally, people can be perfectly civil in person - or in games - and still blow a gasket regularly on the forums.

One thing I will say is that the MWO community is generally very well-behaved in game. I see very little real anger or trolling, almost no racist or bigoted comments, and so forth. New players who admit that they are new are generally welcomed to the game, or given a kidding line like "Well... you die first :-)" in good jest. Same thing with folks who admit their mech is new, they are having a bad week, etc.

This is far, FAR better than the treatment I've seen in other games. I played ONE game of DOTA 2 at a relative's place, and he told the team I was new. The responses were unprintable; I was cursed out over general chat and VoiP, and had people hoping that "somebody would kill me" and "please die already." Needless to say, after such a spiteful intro to that game, I have no interest in playing it anymore, but MWO is generally different and better than that. Oh, and for the record, we won that game of DOTA 2 and I wasn't the worst player in the game, which should tell you something... lol...

Edited by oldradagast, 18 October 2014 - 08:23 AM.

[Belorion]

Its the same haters still hating since you quit the first time. Did you not read the forums back then?

[Andi Nagasia]

oldradagast, on 18 October 2014 - 05:53 AM, said:

Most internet forums are fully of trolls, anger, whining, and so on. It is fascinating, and yet sad, to watch normally reasonably intelligent people turn into screaming hate-flingers when given an internet forum on which to vent. And, yes, it is also funny to watch the community complain when they are NOT given what they want and when they ARE given what they want.

so true,
some times on my topics i find some one will ask a question i've already answered,
i respond to them and explain the answer, and usually its ether one of two reasons they ask,

they couldn't understand what i meant in the topic, so i need to go back and reword my topic(my Fault)
or they tell me im wrong, and that my topic doesnt need to be there(they are Complaining/Looking for a fight)

thankfully there are more understanding people in the forums than those who want to Complain/Fight,
its just Complainers and Fighters speak(yell) louder than those that are understanding,

[Belorion]

Belorion, on 18 October 2014 - 08:27 AM, said:

Its the same haters still hating since you quit the first time. Did you not read the forums back then?

The haters obviously like to hate more than play the game, as they have stuck it out hating the whole time while you took a break.

[Sethliopod]

edit: oldradagast says it all better than I could.

Edited by Sethliopod, 18 October 2014 - 08:58 AM.

[Rhaegor]

TheExecuter, on 18 October 2014 - 03:08 AM, said:

I just recently reentered MWO after a long pause, basically after obtaining the Phoenix Package and getting stomped like hell in the stock variants, so I missed about a year on this. Before, I was a Founder and enjoyed the Closed Beta but gave it up for lacking game progression. I simply couldn't obtain motivation for playing the same stuff on and on and on.

Sounds like me, except no Phoenix.

[KraftySOT]

TheExecuter, on 18 October 2014 - 03:08 AM, said:

First, there seems to be something called "Meta-Mechs/Mechconfigurations", the state of the art munchkin weapon set based on buffs and nerfs. Anyone not using them seems to be a downright idiot. WTF?

Its not that severe but you kind of tapped the vein here.

In your absence, since we had a relative lull of balance changes for a while, some top mech builds have risen to the top, and theyre good enough that they kind of roll over everything else in the mech catalog. Youre certainly not an idiot if you dont pilot one, there is of course no accounting for taste, but if youre sitting around complaining your obscure build on a tier 5 chassis isnt up to snuff...thats kind of your own fault. Most of the best builds arent behind a pay wall, so youre just kind of hurting yourself not taking one out every once in a while when youre grinding out cbills.

This really hit a head before ghost heat, when poptarting mechings (jumping snipers) were instagibbing mechs from total safety, and Hexastalkers were roaming the plains and hills.

Quirks is scheduled to help this out CONSIDERABLY but youre having the same people with their obscure builds now come out of the wood work and attack Quirks on some pretty idiotic basis'. Thus the vitriol.

Its juvenile and we should be better than that...but...it is what it is I guess.

[AdamBaines]

TheExecuter, on 18 October 2014 - 07:52 AM, said:

Thank you all for your kind responses, although I don't get the first two. I have a lot of gaming under the hood, and quite a bit of online-gaming as well, but at least in the Closed Beta-Phase, this game and community was different. People where... Calm, nice, even trying to roleplay in every Pug-Game. And then, somewhere, this thing went the way all MMORPGs go if they reach a certain user base.

Dont get confused. PGI made some really bad decisions. They also had horrible communications for awhile. This emboldened the ultra haters and really gave them ammo and so they took advantage. But really over the past 6 months PGI has been on point with their communication which has quenched much of the hate-or-ade. Now much of the hate come from people who dont like it when their play style is effected and its mostly a very self-centered complaint.

[TheExecuter]

Again, thank you all. It is very good to see a real lot of people acting and talking so reasonable. So I'll go on and take my shiny mechs out and try to play with some friends (because playing with someone you know and actually can talk to adds about 50 tons of fun) and enjoy what you all created with your endurance.

Hope to see you on the battlefield!