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[ShinobiHunter]

I don't have the disposable income to spend on big packs, pre-orders, etc. very often, but I don't mind the new mechs coming out often. I enjoy seeing new things in the game, and learning to fight against a new mech. And eventually they will come out for cbills and I can play with them then. Can you really have too many mechs to choose from?

[Timuroslav]

Part of the problem is people want sales and cheaper MC items. But, when you are constantly making sales and giving away handouts; you will eventually have to make up the difference some how.
Seeing that this is a free to play game and they don't intend on making people pay for extra content.

It looks like we're stuck with the Mech Packet system. Unless people change their minds and are willing to pay full price for some of these MC items.

This whole problem could be fixed if they could just make minis, figurines, and T-shirts. But, that's another problem in itself.

The Mechwarrior Franchise has been gutted and drawn-and-quartered a long time ago. It is going to be agonizing to fix it.

Edited by Timuroslav, 20 October 2014 - 12:06 PM.

[Jetfire]

I think ideally we would taper to 1 clan and 1 IS pack per year. 4-6 mechs each with some non-preorder filler in between.

[Angel of Annihilation]

I am fine with it because I can choose to buy or not to buy. I mean I don't have to click buy if I don't want to and neither does anyone else. Everyone can just wait for them to release for C-bills so I am not sure why people feel pressured to by the pack.

As far as P2W, how? I mean when the Clan's came out, I loaded up my Battlemaster and had zero problems competing. Also in a very few weeks all the Clan Wave 1 mechs will be available for C-bills and how are they not competitive with what is coming out for Clan Wave 2? Do you all really think a Gargoyle is going to be better than a Timber Wolf or Direwolf?

So in the end the only pressure anyone has to buy a pack is the pressure you put on yourself for wanting something new just because it is new and wanting it immediately because that is all the packs buy you, New and Now.

Note: The minute they Drop an Executioner, Caludron Born, Shadow Cat and Arctic Cheetah into a pack, I will buy that too even if it comes out next week so no fatigue for me.

Edited by Viktor Drake, 20 October 2014 - 12:37 PM.

[Scratx]

The IS pack that's coming is from the community's own request. And it makes sense. How is PGI going to turn down this?



'nuff said. Let's see what they come up with and then vote with our wallets?

As for fatigue... I understand the concern, and it is possible if they do mech pack sales too close to each other. We'll see. I think they know the danger and will almost certainly try to avoid that.

[PappySmurf]

Viktor said (As far as P2W, how?)


To me its not the mech's that are pay to win its the skills and modules.Those that can afford premium time and C-bill conversions ETC far outplay the mech basic skilled only casual players.I really did not understand the mech performance difference until I played on my brothers account with 2 fully skilled and module mechs.It was like night and day difference and I slaughtered players left and right in battles there is so much difference than my basic only skilled mechs.

So when I say MWO is a PAY2WIN game I mean skills and modules there are a few mechs that make a difference in battles sure like the timberwolf but even this mech without elite skills and modules is not a game breaker.

[Revis Volek]

PappySmurf, on 20 October 2014 - 10:59 AM, said:

Does it really solve MWO'S problems by buying fancy new mechs you have to grind like a mad beaver for ever to be competitive or play the same lame ass 12v12 free for all matches day after day?

I say playing these types of F2PAY or F2Play MMO type games borders on being insane. It was much different playing true PC MechWarrior where it was like playing on a bowling or baseball team in leagues a few times a week for fun and comrade with family and friends.

What? Anyone else think this came outta left field? Are you even in the right thread for that response? What problems are gonna be solved by NOT buying mechs? I dont even understand you logic here? You think the mech packs are causing problems? You say playing these games are insane yet here you are? Insane enough to talk on the forums but not participate in the game? Who is really the insane one sir?

Very confusing (and trolling?) post, your tenuous grasp of English has failed you it seems.

To OP....

The mech packs are not REQUIRED to play the game...if you cant afford them i suggest you keep your bills paid first then try to buy mech packs. I know everyone wants the new shiny all the time but just because you cannot afford them doesn't mean PGI needs to stop releasing them. Thats the silliest thing i ever heard...you think Ferrari is gonna stop making cars because they are expensive? Or release one every 5 years because well "Everyone has one and doesn't need another".


There will always be those offers, its paying for early access or convenience. Some of us have time to play, others have money and PGI has ways to get both out of some of us! But there is that old saying....More then one way to skin a cat.

PappySmurf, on 20 October 2014 - 12:59 PM, said:

Viktor said (As far as P2W, how?)


To me its not the mech's that are pay to win its the skills and modules.Those that can afford premium time and C-bill conversions ETC far outplay the mech basic skilled only casual players.I really did not understand the mech performance difference until I played on my brothers account with 2 fully skilled and module mechs.It was like night and day difference and I slaughtered players left and right in battles there is so much difference than my basic only skilled mechs.

So when I say MWO is a PAY2WIN game I mean skills and modules there are a few mechs that make a difference in battles sure like the timberwolf but even this mech without elite skills and modules is not a game breaker.

At the rate i play, with or without premium time, I can buy at least a module a week and still not be broke (I am up to 17 weapon modules since they came out). Cbills are easy to get and cbills are NOT P2W because you cdont need to buy them with in game currency or with MC. Skills cannot be bought with MC, only GXP and that can be converted but is a waste of money unless its a double weekend. I can get 1,000 EXP a match why bother converting it? At that rate its 1-2 games per basic skill (except anchor turn) and then 25 or so to Fully Elite it. Might take me a day or two of play time to master a mech with NO RL MONEY INVOLVED AT ALL.....so please tell me how that is P2W?

BTW i dont know ANYONE who convert C-bills (whatever that means) or bothers to convert MC outside of not having a mech for Comp Drops or something and literally needing it in 10 minutes. Maybe some do but outta the 50 plus members in our group i dont know a single one that cant make it happen in a short amount of time from normal play.

Edited by DarthRevis, 20 October 2014 - 01:17 PM.

[Apnu]

Felio, on 20 October 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

These things would be something to celebrate getting the chance to buy once in a long while (say, once a year), but when they are in constant or near-constant rotation, they aren't special anymore. They just seem like high-pressure sales.

I skipped the Clan packs because I'm only playing IS chassis. Clans have been getting a lot of love lately, so I'm looking forward to a IS mech pack. I'm not fatigued, in fact, I'm looking for a good mech sale right now.

[Jacon Ceronia]

If it's for Inner Sphere omnis... Avatar... oh my...

[PappySmurf]

Darth (What? Anyone else think this came outta left field? Are you even in the right thread for that response? What problems are gonna be solved by NOT buying mechs? I dont even understand you logic here? You think the mech packs are causing problems? You say playing these games are insane yet here you are? Insane enough to talk on the forums but not participate in the game? Who is really the insane one sir?

Very confusing (and trolling?) post, your tenuous grasp of English has failed you it seems.)

Fist off if a person is insane enough to buy virtual products in a terribly made game =SO BE IT I don't care let them be fools.I was replying to Viktors statement on PAY2WIN and I said no the mechs or mech packs are not PAY2WIN but I feel the advantage of those that can pay for premium time and have elite skilled mechs and modules VS most that don't is PAY2WIN.

IF I was Trolling I would just come out and say MWO is a total crap grind game no matter if you buy mech packs or not.

Edited by PappySmurf, 20 October 2014 - 01:17 PM.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Not to mention the frequent release of new mechs just means more QQ and more nerf hammering as players encounter the new mechs and assume they died to it cuz the new mech is OP....leading to more endless nerf hammering whcih just delays development of more pressing matters in the game. new game modes, new maps, CW, PVE, new campaigns and other stuff besides...CLL now 10heat and not 9......now SSRM6 has a 4.2756 Cooldown over a 4.2952.......

But I suppose releasing 2 clan mech packs is good idea, as it gets a sizeable portion of clan mech options into the game. Then the IS Anti Clan pack I think is next right lol? So prepare your wallets......another pack inc...

Edited by LordKnightFandragon, 20 October 2014 - 01:18 PM.

[ShinobiHunter]

PappySmurf, on 20 October 2014 - 12:59 PM, said:

Viktor said (As far as P2W, how?)


To me its not the mech's that are pay to win its the skills and modules.Those that can afford premium time and C-bill conversions ETC far outplay the mech basic skilled only casual players.I really did not understand the mech performance difference until I played on my brothers account with 2 fully skilled and module mechs.It was like night and day difference and I slaughtered players left and right in battles there is so much difference than my basic only skilled mechs.

So when I say MWO is a PAY2WIN game I mean skills and modules there are a few mechs that make a difference in battles sure like the timberwolf but even this mech without elite skills and modules is not a game breaker.

You do realize that you don't have to pay cash to level up mechs and get skills/modules, right? Just time and Cbills. Not really Pay2Win, it's Play2Win. I know I have explained this to you before, and am not trying to be a jerk here, but if you keep harping on this it's trolling.

[PappySmurf]

ShinobI (You do realize that you don't have to pay cash to level up mechs and get skills/modules, right? Just time and Cbills. Not really Pay2Win, it's Play2Win. I know I have explained this to you before, and am not trying to be a jerk here, but if you keep harping on this it's trolling. )

Owe yes MOM will do ROFL first off the OP would have been better off with a better topic than trolling himself about mech packs. You and I know even if a player buys any mech packs new or old its there choice to buy them now or any time they want and buying them does not mean said player will win more battles or get more kills.You and I know the truth its the skill sets and modules that make the huge difference in MWO game play.

So please shinobi tell us something entertaining or enlighten us on a subject that means anything important to MWO?

[Belorion]

What exactly is high pressure about it?

You can either buy these mechs now, or get them for c-bills later... I don't see the pressure at all.

[Revis Volek]

PappySmurf, on 20 October 2014 - 01:33 PM, said:

ShinobI (You do realize that you don't have to pay cash to level up mechs and get skills/modules, right? Just time and Cbills. Not really Pay2Win, it's Play2Win. I know I have explained this to you before, and am not trying to be a jerk here, but if you keep harping on this it's trolling. )

Owe yes MOM will do ROFL first off the OP would have been better off with a better topic than trolling himself about mech packs. You and I know even if a player buys any mech packs new or old its there choice to buy them now or any time they want and buying them does not mean said player will win more battles or get more kills.You and I know the truth its the skill sets and modules that make the huge difference in MWO game play.

So please shinobi tell us something entertaining or enlighten us on a subject that means anything important to MWO?

So please inform me how something you can obtain via playing the game and cost NO REAL LIFE MONEY is Pay2win?

You still have not answered this question....All of those are easily obtained or acquired from playing the game. If you dont have time to play the game i cant help you with that. But just because some pilot play more then others mean they are Pay2Win as well? This is were i am confused with your statement....Nothing in this game is Pay2win. PERIOD.

Also technically the definition of insanity is doing the same thing twice and expecting different results. So paying money for something you want does not fall under this definition. Also you pay for internet right? Which is a sea of virtual pixels at your finger tips which you (unless you steal you service) pay for. So you are just as insane as the rest of us Pappy by your own definition.

Edited by DarthRevis, 20 October 2014 - 01:44 PM.

[Dracol]

From what I can recall, it was said a new mech would be released every month. Two mechs a month was a possibility when clans were added. It makes perfect business sense to pre-sell Mech packs with a discounted price.

We're already going to be getting the mechs in the future, why not offer em up all at once to start?

Now, I did refrain from buying the wave 2 pack (even though the light and medium really caught my interest) because it came so quickly after I received my clan mechs. Also, with CW around the corner I'm throwing my hat into the IS ring and I didn't think I'd get as much us out of em as I did the original pack. Now, the new IS pack to be announced, that has my interest.

Edit to add: I've only bought mechs with real money in packs or if they are a hero. Packs are the only way that I would buy a non-hero mech with real money.

Edited by Dracol, 20 October 2014 - 01:44 PM.

[ShinobiHunter]

PappySmurf, on 20 October 2014 - 01:33 PM, said:

ShinobI (You do realize that you don't have to pay cash to level up mechs and get skills/modules, right? Just time and Cbills. Not really Pay2Win, it's Play2Win. I know I have explained this to you before, and am not trying to be a jerk here, but if you keep harping on this it's trolling. )

Owe yes MOM will do ROFL first off the OP would have been better off with a better topic than trolling himself about mech packs. You and I know even if a player buys any mech packs new or old its there choice to buy them now or any time they want and buying them does not mean said player will win more battles or get more kills.You and I know the truth its the skill sets and modules that make the huge difference in MWO game play.

So please shinobi tell us something entertaining or enlighten us on a subject that means anything important to MWO?

I'm waiting for you to come up with a useful reply to the topic so that I can entertain or enlighten. So far all you have is that Premium time is P2W. Not really a valid concern IMO. I can only assume you are trolling, unless you care to bring something to the table that I don't need a tinfoil hat to understand...

[Logan Hawke]

Shinobi, Darth, I highly recommend ignoring pappy. He's been stroking his butthurt ***** all over the place recently so you're rather unlikely to have a conversation that involves actual discourse instead of "MWO sucks ass you idiots need to stop playing it because it's a terrible game why aren't you all listening to me"

[Xarian]

Please stop derailing the thread. This is about mech packs, not any other topic.

I, for one, am looking forward to the IS mech pack. I'm not a big IS player but if the mechs are shiny enough then I'll get back into it.

[DAYLEET]

It's good that they add diversity to clan mech or we will be stuck with seeing only tbr dires and scr for ever.

But i still didnt buy it. I dunno, I have enough mech that chosing which one i play on a given night is a hard choice. But i look at the value and the things given like colors(getting 8 of those would cost 9k mc and thats 50$ right there) and i see a great way to save money because i trust myself ill eventually want those mech/colors and i know i wont be grinding cbills to get them but then again the CW is coming and it's making clan mech less interesting, hurry up with the IS pack!