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[Rushin Roulette]

Caustic Canid, on 22 October 2014 - 01:18 AM, said:

I stopped reading their "roadmaps" or whatever a long time ago

I think I just found your problem... and this was really unexpected to any reader here.... no seriously it was. I mean Compaining about changes happening after not reading about them strikes me as quite legitimate

Caustic Canid, on 22 October 2014 - 01:18 AM, said:

Besides, just because you tell someone you're going to hit them, doesn't make it ok to hit them if they didn't hear you.

But looking at it another way... just because someone tells you thatr they will be throwing a punch and you ignore them doesnt mean you should be terribly surprised that you got hit instead of dodging it .

I beleive a more fitting analogy would be; Just because someone tells you that a complete road will be dug up and made new as well as the removal of any parking bays will mean that you wont be able to park there any more.... then you come in and complain that your car fell into the hole the builders dug up.

Edited by Rushin Roulette, 22 October 2014 - 01:38 AM.

[Keira RAVEN McKenna]

C variant still packs the full laser vomit setup so I'm happy.

[WhoopieMonster]

I'm fairly sure in PGIs disclaimer they reserve the right to modify mechs, paid for or otherwise. Which you agree to when handing over cash/cbills/playing their game.

[Inspyrd]

i agree with the VERY FIRST POST in this thread.

I waited until others had purchased the timber wolf to suss out its builds and now ive been ripped off due to the DEVS wanting to try to even out the battle field. I for one HATE Jump JETS!!!

FINALLY HAD ENOUGH


PLEASE REFUND MY MONEY ON THE TIMBER WOLF AND REMOVE IT FROM MY INVENTORY IF YOU ARE GOING TO LEAVE IT LIKE THIS!!!!!!


I will excerpt paypal, money transfer and a tonne of other forms of payments... Heck i will even take the equivalent of MC if i have to!!!

- No slow piece of crap atlas or centurion are going to make up for this injustice, you can keep them to!!!!

[Inspyrd]

YEP tellin all my mates to only used CBills as by the time any mech gets to Cbills its already at rock bottom and been nerfed 10 times.

So at least they get what the game intended and didnt fund these DEVS in the process. NO MORE MONEY FROM ME.

[Peter2k]

DarkAlman, on 21 October 2014 - 05:46 PM, said:

I log in tonight and all my Timberwolf builds are all invalid because I have to mount fixed jump jets all of a sudden?

What the heck happened to these being omnimechs?

I call BS...

I paid $50 for this dang thing specifically to make these builds!

all of a sudden

I knew this change was coming for .... 2 months or so? when Paul first talked about it in a post
then some more n more

soo, ya, sneaky change

just so u know some players have asked PGI to put some kind of size restrictions for weapons into the game (since closed Beta) and so far PGI hasnt bothered to look at it
but they also seemed to have made contact with someone on the forums who offered to plan it all out, no idea how well that thread has gone

bottom line

might wanna keep some more in touch with the state of things in an online game
balancing stuff might come along
I bet the Direwales are up for some nerfing too in a while
well I guess depending on finding out if the King Crab can live up to it

[EvilCow]

I want a pony.

[Orvanick]

WhoopieMonster, on 22 October 2014 - 02:47 AM, said:

I'm fairly sure in PGIs disclaimer they reserve the right to modify mechs, paid for or otherwise. Which you agree to when handing over cash/cbills/playing their game.

Yes they reserve the right. But it's very bad customer service to do so. And very unprofessional. The terms and conditions are more for covering worst case scenarios or making emergency decisions which have few alternatives; extending the jumpjet rule to all omnimechs doesn't fall under that category. Which is more important in a business sense - satisfying a customer or doing what you feel like doing just because the terms say you can and make customers feel unsatisfied as a result?

Edited by Orvanick, 22 October 2014 - 04:11 AM.

[Josef Koba]

I, too, only had one Timber Wolf affected by this change, and honestly the only impact was a slightly lower amount of SRM ammo. I ran the S with four SRM6s, four ER Medium Lasers, and two MGs. I can still fit all my weapons; since I don't like using torso mounted lasers with arm mounted lasers of the same class, I didn't run with more mediums. I'm not super-thrilled about locked JJs since honestly the only time I use JJs is when I pilot lights. For my playstyle, I prefer more armor/ammo/weapons over the what I think is negligible mobility improvements. Interestingly, I'll probably use the JJs now that I'm forced to have them, so perhaps I'll see some benefits of using them on heavier mechs. At least for me the changes didn't break my builds like I thought they would, but honestly I haven't piloted my TWs in a couple of weeks anyway.

That said...I can certainly understand why some people take issue with these changes. They feel that they no longer have what they paid for. Sounds reasonable to me, even if they're arguments are not reasonably put forth. I also understand that some people do not hang out in these forums multiple times a day like me and the rest of us nerds do, so to say that these changes have been known about for over a month, while true, probably doesn't lessen the shock of logging into the game only to see your favorite mechs broken. Just my two cents.

Edit: Some folks are clamoring for a refund and a removal of the mech from their inventory. That's their right I suppose. But it would be a rare day for me to want to give up any of my stable on account of some changes. They nerfed the AC/20 into near-oblivion a while back and it dramatically impacted how my Jager build ran. But within about ten matches, I had it right back to where it was in terms of performance. I say give it some time, fiddle with it a bit, and you'll probably be happy with your TWs again. I think she's just too good a machine to be severely gimped by these changes.

Also, as was mentioned above, I tend to agree that the Dire Wolf is going to see some hard hits to its capability soon. Though I argued against the changes to the aforementioned AC/20 on grounds of the AC/40 Jager being a glass cannon - something that actually inspired fear in me on the battlefield though it had severe weaknesses - I too would argue against too many changes to the Dire Wolf for similar reasons. No, not that it is a glass cannon, but that it has some severe and inherent weaknesses already built in. The Dire Wolf is one of the only mechs I legitimately fear on the battlefield. I enjoy this element. I don't want it nerfed to the point where it's just another mech.

Edited by Josef Koba, 22 October 2014 - 04:31 AM.

[Zainadin]

Bohnner, on 21 October 2014 - 07:43 PM, said:

The marketing department should be fired!!!!!!!!! Who the heck is making these really stupid decisions?

It's the customer relations guys who can't seem to let anyone know when there is a "vote"... Or make it easier for gamers to find out what is coming up. I suggest an info graphic with a time line to make it easy on "us". (not everyone played the table top game or are forum detectives.)

Bohnner, on 21 October 2014 - 07:42 PM, said:

I want my money back!!!!!!!! I lost 4 tons to stupid jump jets, with jump sniping nerfed and adding heat to my mech why would I want them? I cannot fit a Gauss in the torso any longer. PGI should no be changing the basic configuration of what people paid money for.

WT4? anyone who has played any type of mmo or a game still ongoing development, can expect changes to happen. Take WoW for example the game today is barely recognizable to what was launched way back when. Buffs and nerfs are to be expected down the line.

If you are such mech-tech why not just buy a different omni pod? There is that option... and fixed locations on clan mechs is nothing new.

Bad Andy, on 21 October 2014 - 07:47 PM, said:

cry more because you can't pay2win

Nobody wants pay2win, or pay2play. MWO makes good on this, better than could be expected.

Grey Black, on 21 October 2014 - 08:03 PM, said:

The raw flexibility afforded the Timber Wolf with unfixed jump hardpoints simply imbalanced the game too much. Now, with fixed jump hardpoints, there are actual decisions to be made about the layout of the Timber Wolf. Do you go with the Prime configuration side torso to equip your gauss rifle? Or do I want jump jets? Or, perhaps, some other combination?

Exactly correct!!! This is an Omni-mech we are talking about. There are other pods for the location that don't have JJ.

And thanks for the CT flamer on the Adder.

[Volks Ward]

From my understanding in lore the S variant was not officially used by all the clans till close to 3060. Yes I know some in Clan Wolf used it but it was not widely used as for say the D variant. If PGI wants to force jumps jets on a specific omni - pod fine then let us have the D variant omni pods as compensation. That includes the center torso.

Compared to IS mechs that were supposedly hard to upgrade and customize, PGI seems to want to make them more upgradable then Omni's. Yes you can not change weapon types on variants but you can remove JJ you can change engine type and rating. I would love to have that for the clans get my kit fox running 12 kph would be nice.

Well enough of my mini rant on the subject.

120 kph ugh thanks auto correct.

[Zainadin]

Peter2k, on 22 October 2014 - 03:54 AM, said:

just so u know some players have asked PGI to put some kind of size restrictions for weapons into the game (since closed Beta) and so far PGI hasnt bothered to look at it
but they also seemed to have made contact with someone on the forums who offered to plan it all out, no idea how well that thread has gone

That is the worst plan ever, if that happens you won't see mechs like the Hollander (a light w/ a Gauss Rifle) or Ravens with an AC/20. Bad, bad idea, stick to what is in place now.

[Jam the Bam]

Where do people get this idea that simply because they pay money it makes their mechs immune to nerfs? That is the definition of pay to win.

[Zainadin]

Rushin Roulette, on 22 October 2014 - 01:35 AM, said:

But looking at it another way... just because someone tells you that* they will be throwing a punch and you ignore them does not* mean you should be terribly surprised that you got hit instead of dodging it .

Well I guess it comes down to a communication issue. Apparently people want to know about the punch ahead of time.
The best analogy is right now it is a street fight, and players are surprised when they are hit. It should be a boxing match, everyone knows where the fight is, and when it will happen. If the player doesn't show than the devs win by default.

[Rushin Roulette]

Zainadin, on 22 October 2014 - 05:38 AM, said:

Well I guess it comes down to a communication issue. Apparently people want to know about the punch ahead of time.
The best analogy is right now it is a street fight, and players are surprised when they are hit. It should be a boxing match, everyone knows where the fight is, and when it will happen. If the player doesn't show than the devs win by default.

To be honest... the anouncement of this particular "punch" has been up since over a month in a special forum for anouncements regarding "punches" including a pinned status and many information updates making sure the punch anouncement would not go under in any circumstances. The news of the punch information thread was even accessible via the login screen news updates of the launcher... so Im not really too sure what the devs can do more? Maybe send a personal present card including a pair of boxing gloves, band aides and an instruction pamphlet explainign on how to dodge a punch to every players home address so that hey may be ready and prepared for the upcomming punch?

Edited by Rushin Roulette, 22 October 2014 - 05:48 AM.

[LordBacon]

i had to refit my timbers aswell but tbh i like beein in mechlab, its part of the game.
u are still able to do the best builds a heavy can do atm ingame so stopp moaning about everything ...

[TheDevilsIncarnate]

Lol. Timber god is still timber god.

You can never please people can you?

On a side note, I have the full wave 1 & wave 2 packs, not counting what I've spent in MC for the various colors, camos, and hero mechs I have. My heavy metal, which was the first hero I ever bought, has been nerves to dust, and you know what? Life moves on to better times and better mechs

[Duncan Longwood]

It's just balance changes. Stating that things should remain as they were at the time of purchase would invalidate the upcoming IS quirk pass. Wait.. I'm calling it now; someone is gonna come to the forum and complain about the "sudden" IS quirk pass and demand it be reverted because they paid real money.

[PitBull77]

Thank you so much PGI for turning my TimberWolf into a Summoner. I'm so glad I spent money on my twolves months ago to have you turn them into a pile of crap and ruin my creativity with my builds. If I had wanted a Summoner I would have purchased one. I did love this game, but now I know that spending money on it is a mistake. Thanks for ruining the fun. Greed rules all.

[VtTimber]

How old are some of you people... seriously? Your posts read as though a 15 year old wrote them while hopped up on energy drinks.

I for one am glad that they brought the TB into line as it was ridiculously overpowered before and is still the premier heavy mech.

Additionally, you all signed the agreement that PGI can change ANYTHING, including to dropping the game and shutting down servers, and you won't get any money back. Read the fine print before buying.