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[Xarian]

The new C-Bill and XP reward system is a great idea - it rewards roles, which is really cool. However, the actual amount of C-Bills and XP given out is ridiculously low - I'm talking more than a 60% decrease over what I was making this last weekend.

Frankly I don't feel like playing this game right now. I lose money using my consumables; I can't break even unless I win, which is ~50% of the time. When I do win, I'm lucky if I bring home 50-60k C-Bills after using consumables.

Taking a look at the XP rewards, it's even worse. Unless I get 3+ kills and score 600 damage, I'm getting like 60% less XP than before.

So, yeah, I don't normally do this, but I want to be reimbursed for my premium time lost due to this change. I got some new Shadowhawks hoping to rank them up - after 8 games, 4 wins and 4 losses, I've made a grand total of 3,500 XP (this is with premium time active). That's 312 XP per game, which includes a "first win of the day".

It's not worth my time to play right now. I'm just screwing around with my friends trying to rank up my mechs and get some of the money back that I spend on all these new Shadowhawks, and it's just not happening. I'm demoralized. I was all excited to find out that I could finally get rewarded for scouting, but it was like being punched in the junk after I noticed my payouts dropping to the level where I can't even sustain my consumables (I was down to 25k after fixing up my SHD-2D2).

Edited by Xarian, 21 October 2014 - 06:16 PM.

[El Bandito]

Could you post some screenshots? Kinda hard taking your word at face value without some pics to look at and analyze.

[Lord de Seis]

I have to agree, I had about 3 hours of drops and only had 2 games over 200K. Granted most were poor games but, did have 1 good one with 380K though.

[Xetelian]

If you subtract my scouting and hit and run you've got a ~40,000 loss with 504 damage

Edited by Xetelian, 21 October 2014 - 06:06 PM.

[El Bandito]

Lord de Seis, on 21 October 2014 - 06:00 PM, said:

I have to agree, I had about 3 hours of drops and only had 2 games over 200K. Granted most were poor games but, did have 1 good one with 380K though.

If that is with premium time, then that is indeed **** reward. However, could you also post some screenies?

[Mechteric]

That's nothing, I got 35,000 CBills on an Assault match that we actually won (via capping, only a few dead I think).

[Xarian]

El Bandito, on 21 October 2014 - 05:59 PM, said:

Could you post some screenshots? Kinda hard taking your word at face value without some pics to look at and analyze.

Sure, I didn't take all of the screenshots, but here are two. I'll post more from some lancemates who had more damage output than me later.

First, here's a game from Sunday (old) reward system showing the rewards I got after getting killed while scouting in a Spider (Anansi Hero) in the first two minutes of the game (look at the Subtotal reward, I didn't scroll all the way down to show the Premium bonus).



Second, here are two pictures showing a splat Shadowhawk in two different rolls (one by us, one by the other team). Subtotal on the loss not shown, but that 35k includes a Premium bonus (no mech bonus; there's no Hero Shadowhawk):




Finally, here's a screenshot of a Spider 5V after surviving the entire match and TAG scouting like a mofo (but still losing)

Edited by Xarian, 21 October 2014 - 06:14 PM.

[Lord de Seis]

El Bandito, on 21 October 2014 - 06:11 PM, said:

If that is with premium time, then that is indeed **** reward. However, could you also post some screenies?

Those were solo drops for the most part, I am currently in a group. I will start posting for you thought.
This is with Premium Time keep that in mind.

Game 1 (CPLT-K2)

Game 2 (Ilya): Forgot to take picture but 242K

Game 3 (CPLT-K2):


Game 4 (Ilya):


Game 5 (Ilya):


Basically if I am using a arty strike or UAV I can't make money on losses.

Edited by Lord de Seis, 21 October 2014 - 07:08 PM.

[El Bandito]

Xetelian, on 21 October 2014 - 06:05 PM, said:

If you subtract my scouting and hit and run you've got a ~40,000 loss with 504 damage

Wow that is really lower than before, considering the fact you were running a C-Bill mech and dealt over 500 damage. To be fair, you only had 2 assists and that's it.

Edited by El Bandito, 21 October 2014 - 06:16 PM.

[Koniving]

I'll check into this. But so far the general consensus is lots more on wins and even less on defeats.

Had a claim of just shy of 500,000 cbills. Tomorrow at noon I'll play and look into my scores and since I keep highlight scores/earnings, I'll have some comparisons for similar levels of play.

[N0MAD]

As stated in another thread, imagine being a Newb, gona lose alot of players especially newbs..
Secret Squirrels at work,, yay..

[Xetelian]

El Bandito, on 21 October 2014 - 06:14 PM, said:

Wow that is really lower than before, considering the fact you were running a C-Bill mech and dealt over 500 damage. To be fair, you only had 2 assists and that's it.

Thing is only 2 enemies died so thats why I have 2 assists...we were stomped 12 v 2

[El Bandito]

Xarian, on 21 October 2014 - 06:12 PM, said:

Sure, I didn't take all of the screenshots, but here are two. I'll post more from some lancemates who had more damage output than me later.

-snip-


Second, here are two pictures showing a splat Shadowhawk in two different rolls (one by us, one by the other team). Subtotal on the loss not shown, but that 35k includes a Premium bonus (no mech bonus; there's no Hero Shadowhawk):

This case clearly shows the new reward bias. A victory with 10 assists would have given you +100K reward easily in the old system, even without premium time. Now people really need to deal a lot of damage to make the assist count as bigger reward. Your XP seems fine as you did not deal much damage.

It is still premature to say it, but the new rewards are indeed more role warfare specific. Overall though (when you lump together the wins and losses), we are getting ripped off of our C-Bill rewards. Especially the newbies--whom PGI needs to attract in the first place.

Edited by El Bandito, 21 October 2014 - 06:26 PM.

[Xarian]

El Bandito, on 21 October 2014 - 06:20 PM, said:

This case clearly shows the new reward bias. A victory with 10 assists would have given you +100K reward easily in the old system, even without premium time. Now people really need to deal a lot of damage to make the assist count as bigger reward. Your XP seems fine as you did not deal much damage.

It is still premature to say it, but the new rewards are indeed more role warfare specific. Overall though (when you lump together the wins and losses), we are getting ripped off of our C-Bill rewards. Especially the newbies.

Yeah the XP reward on the win was OK, but not on the loss.

Clearly damage isn't the major factor in getting XP or C-Bills; look at Xetelian's screencap.

My kill assists: 10
My assist XP: 9

Less than 1 XP per kill assist? How is this reasonable?

Edited by Xarian, 21 October 2014 - 06:29 PM.

[Scratx]

I agree the low-end is too low at the moment, by the looks of it. Mechs cost millions, if a newbie keeps seeing rewards in the 30-50k region, I don't give good odds of staying.

[Xarian]

Scratx, on 21 October 2014 - 06:29 PM, said:

I agree the low-end is too low at the moment, by the looks of it. Mechs cost millions, if a newbie keeps seeing rewards in the 30-50k region, I don't give good odds of staying.

Newbies? Hell, I'm nowhere near a newbie and I'm getting annoyed enough to go do something else for the evening. I'll have to play all night just to afford Endosteel for my SHD-2K. Rather just go shop for food.

So, thanks PGI for helping me improve my lifestyle. I guess.

[Sable]

Well for one you know you don't "have' to use consumables every single match. In fact i don't put consumables on certain mechs just so i won't be tempted.

Secondly i've noticed cbill earnings to be roughly the same they were before with the exception of what you actually do. It rewards killing over assist and the "way you kill" over just the final blow. I constantly see flanking bonuses, hit and run bonuses, brawling bonuses, spotting bonuses, lock bonuses and an assortment of others i can't think of off the top of my head. Its not about you anymore its about the team and what you do for the team. Losses feel more like losses while wins still produce the same results from what i've seen. It does feel a little lower than before but only when you don't contribute to the team that much.

[BourbonFaucet]

THE GRIND NEVER ENDS

[Ultimax]

Xarian, I just saw this on Twitter.

Might be worth volunteering.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 21 October 2014 - 07:05 PM.

[Xarian]

Sable, on 21 October 2014 - 06:53 PM, said:

Well for one you know you don't "have' to use consumables every single match. In fact i don't put consumables on certain mechs just so i won't be tempted.
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It does feel a little lower than before but only when you don't contribute to the team that much.

If you don't use consumables in every match, you aren't contributing as much as your teammates. You might never have the chance to use your UAV or Cool Shot, but you will always find a situation to use your Artillery/Air Strike.

Again, if you aren't using consumables, then you aren't trying to win as much as other people (who use consumables) are - because you're trying to conserve C-Bills.

This was always the case, but it's not really a huge difference when you make 200,000 C-Bills per match - you're still getting 120,000 C-Bills per match after refreshing consumables. However, when you are making 100,000 C-Bills per match, you're now down to 20,000 C-Bills per match.

So let's say you want to farm a Shadowhawk before the sale ends. You need 1 Million C-Bills, and you get 100,000 C-Bills per match when you win, but only 20,000 C-Bills when you lose (UAV+Artillery). So you have a choice: do you want to support your team and be a good team player, or do you want to farm your C-Bills for your Shadowhawk?
If you use your consumables every match, you are going to get 20,000 when you win and lose 60,000 when you lose.
Assuming that you win 75% of your games, you will gain nothing on average (20,000 * 75% - 60,000 * 25%).
If you never use your consumables at all, you are going to get 100,000 when you win and 20,000 when you lose. Assuming that you win 50% of your games (a lot less, because you're not using consumables any more), you will gain 60,000 C-Bills per game on average.

I've exaggerated that a lot - realistically, you will only get a little improvement in win % when using consumables (say, 55% instead of 50% without consumables). This makes it even worse.