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[Eboli]

I don't think I have ever seen 2+ Lord on the same team in Solo and I see a few Lord players around these days in Solo.

But, when 3 players of the same unit in the same team admit to sync dropping in a tournament then that is not what I call being ethical, even if it is just a game.

[beerandasmoke]

Krivvan, on 26 October 2014 - 05:48 PM, said:

....no? If 6-7 of us are solo queuing and it takes a long time to find a match, the chance we end up in a game together increases. Are you implying that we have some secret ability to delay the matchmaker so that we purposefully all get into a game?

And like I said, many of us stream. On my stream you see me, if anything, purposefully try to avoid dropping with other good players.


I really don't think you understand the concept of how it would hurt attempts at stat padding to have good players on both teams.

I looked back over what you said and realized you misinterpreted what I meant. Playing as a 12 man team especially against random pug teams is padding. Taking a 12 man up against 3 4 mans or whatever the matchmaker decides is padding. Its not a true indicator of individual skill when you have a massive advantage due to everyone on coms. Thats padding man whether you want to admit it or not.

Krivvan, on 26 October 2014 - 06:04 PM, said:

http://www.twitch.tv...859?t=01h48m11s

http://www.twitch.tv...859?t=02h49m19s

Is this synch dropping to you? How the hell would games like those help me pad my stats?

You don't end up on the same team with any sort of consistency. You're more likely to end up on opposite teams were someone to attempt synch dropping.

There's even this game here: http://www.twitch.tv...859?t=01h03m20s which was the only example I could find of several of us ending up on the same team. There's nothing said on the teamspeak server and the only communication we had in game is completely visible (it isn't much).

Krivvan, on 26 October 2014 - 06:04 PM, said:

http://www.twitch.tv...859?t=01h48m11s

http://www.twitch.tv...859?t=02h49m19s

Is this synch dropping to you? How the hell would games like those help me pad my stats?

You don't end up on the same team with any sort of consistency. You're more likely to end up on opposite teams were someone to attempt synch dropping.

There's even this game here: http://www.twitch.tv...859?t=01h03m20s which was the only example I could find of several of us ending up on the same team. There's nothing said on the teamspeak server and the only communication we had in game is completely visible (it isn't much).

Look im not trying to get in some kind of contest with you man. I played two years of CW in WOT at a high level in a landholding clan and we syncdropped. I know why high level players do it. Im not stupid. Its an advantage and it does work even in WOT where the player population is much larger. Its all good with me if its good with PGI. Dont try to tell me though it doesnt work or its not an advantage. It does and it is period.

[Mcgral18]

Well, I wanted to do well in the WubShee, but I think that score will just keep dropping. I hope I stay top 10, but it's hard to say.


At least the NopeVa went better.

For those interested, I dropped a single match in my Cute Fox, and there are at least 378 individuals in that ladder.

Edited by Mcgral18, 26 October 2014 - 06:16 PM.

[Krivvan]

beerandasmoke, on 26 October 2014 - 06:14 PM, said:

I looked back over what you said and realized you misinterpreted what I meant. Playing as a 12 man team especially against random pug teams is padding. Taking a 12 man up against 3 4 mans or whatever the matchmaker decides is padding.

So you're basically accusing every player who plays on a team of this. Also everyone who streams on NGNG and plays in a 6+ person group. Basically anyone who doesn't limit themselves to a 2-4 person group. And besides, on a side note, a lot of us don't actually like going up against those 3-4 man groups. We go in each game hoping it's a 12 man SJR or 228 or CSJ or something on the other team. The 12-0 pug group rollovers are really boring and pointless.

beerandasmoke, on 26 October 2014 - 06:14 PM, said:

Dont try to tell me though it doesnt work or its not an advantage. It does and it is period.

Another way of saying "lalalala I'm not listening."

[beerandasmoke]

Krivvan, on 26 October 2014 - 06:25 PM, said:

So you're basically accusing every player who plays on a team of this. Also everyone who streams on NGNG and plays in a 6+ person group. Basically anyone who doesn't limit themselves to a 2-4 person group. And besides, on a side note, a lot of us don't actually like going up against those 3-4 man groups. We go in each game hoping it's a 12 man SJR or 228 or CSJ or something on the other team. The 12-0 pug group rollovers are really boring and pointless.



Another way of saying "lalalala I'm not listening."

No its you that seems to be going lalalalala. You cant get competitive teams at your ELO running 12 mans so you end up going against 3 4mans of randoms when matchmaker stretches. Thats padding man because your playing against players who are at a significant disadvantage to you. Much like in the soloque when a syncdrop works. Coms against no coms. You have a significant advantage over your opponents.

[Krivvan]

Eboli, on 26 October 2014 - 06:13 PM, said:

But, when 3 players of the same unit in the same team admit to sync dropping in a tournament then that is not what I call being ethical, even if it is just a game.

I don't believe it's common, but people do all sorts of things for these stupid tournaments. A good portion of the whole list are likely made up of smurf accounts too going for easier low elo games (especially those with the joke names that never play the game again).

I'm just arguing about the conspiracy theory that some people have where every game where there are multiple people from the same unit on a team automatically means they're synch dropping for some reason.

Edited by Krivvan, 26 October 2014 - 06:42 PM.

[Milocinia]

Krivvan it is d***s like you who I detest and would honestly like to inflict harm upon in real life. W*****s like you and your teammates will genuinely amount to nothing in life once you reach puberty.

I've worked hard pure pugging to get to 6th in the Cent ladder (ffs 7th now) but I'm being consistently pitted against blatant sync droppers.

IT'S A F*****G GAME! Can you just play the damn thing as if it was a game instead of it being the only pathetic worthless thing in your obviously pathetic worthless life?

You young gamers make me sick. It was never like this in my day... where's my walking stick? Bloody kids...

(YAY 5TH!)

Edited by Kyocera, 26 October 2014 - 06:47 PM.

[Mcgral18]

Kyocera, on 26 October 2014 - 06:46 PM, said:

Krivvan it is d***s like you who I detest and would honestly like to inflict harm upon in real life. W*****s like you and your teammates will genuinely amount to nothing in life once you reach puberty.

Well, that's just uncalled for.

Egomane isn't going to like that one bit.

[Logan Hawke]

Kyocera, on 26 October 2014 - 06:46 PM, said:

Krivvan it is d***s like you who I detest and would honestly like to inflict harm upon in real life. W*****s like you and your teammates will genuinely amount to nothing in life once you reach puberty.

I've worked hard pure pugging to get to 6th in the Cent ladder (ffs 7th now) but I'm being consistently pitted against blatant sync droppers.

IT'S A F*****G GAME! Can you just play the damn thing as if it was a game instead of it being the only pathetic worthless thing in your obviously pathetic worthless life?

You young gamers make me sick. It was never like this in my day... where's my walking stick? Bloody kids...

(YAY 5TH!)

You do realize how old a large majority of comp gamers are, right?
(Hint: they're not kids)

Whether or not that's even sadder is up to your own opinions.

[Milocinia]

If you think I'm being a serious, "mature" gamer then you might have a few problems of your own

[Budor]

This thread is going downhill fast

[Krivvan]

beerandasmoke, on 26 October 2014 - 06:38 PM, said:

You cant get competitive teams at your ELO running 12 mans so you end up going against 3 4mans of randoms when matchmaker stretches. Thats padding man because your playing against players who are at a significant disadvantage to you. Much like in the soloque when a syncdrop works. Coms against no coms. You have a significant advantage over your opponents.

And again, you are now accusing any group who plays with more than 4 people at a time of this. That would be a problem with the maximum group size or how the matchmaker works. It's a little silly to start saying that no one should ever play in 10 or 12 person groups otherwise it's clear that they're doing it just to pad stats. Even theB33f who was awesome and did a 24 hour charity stream was playing in a large group, and I really doubt they were doing it thinking about how awesome it is to be cheating. And I thought I linked very clear examples of how these supposed solo syncdrops can happen and often involve no comms whatsoever and aren't planned whatsoever.

What you're arguing against is how the group matchmaker works, not about syncdrop cheating or intentional stat padding. It just feels so juvenile going around accusing people of playing in groups as if they were doing it just to ruin your day and how every single occasion must be some conspiratorial event in a game.

Edited by Krivvan, 26 October 2014 - 07:37 PM.

[MischiefSC]

Syncdropping in pug queue for any reason outside of events like MMM is pretty feeble. Even if 'half the time we're not on the same team'. The other half of the time you drop in the same match you are on the same team by that estimate....

Just drop in the group queue. Or don't play in the challenge. It's that simple.

That saidI hope the next one is better. I played a few more matches today, then quit to go do something fun for a while.

Edited by MischiefSC, 26 October 2014 - 08:03 PM.

[Krivvan]

MischiefSC, on 26 October 2014 - 08:03 PM, said:

Syncdropping in pug queue for any reason outside of events like MMM is pretty feeble. Even if 'half the time we're not on the same team'. The other half of the time you drop in the same match you are on the same team by that estimate....

Just drop in the group queue. Or don't play in the challenge. It's that simple.

I don't get why people would syncdrop in solo queue either. It would be no more fun than group queue, no more advantageous, and anything that is done for the sake of the challenge would be blatantly obvious.

I still think a number of these confessions are them joking.

(Might've overreacted a bit in this thread due to being accused of this in game and seeing others who weren't doing so being accused)

Edited by Krivvan, 26 October 2014 - 08:26 PM.

[Jman5]

Yikes. Reading some of these posts here, it makes me wonder how many people took my in-game jokes about successful sync dropping seriously.

[MischiefSC]

Krivvan, on 26 October 2014 - 08:15 PM, said:

I don't get why people would syncdrop in solo queue either. It would be no more fun than group queue, no more advantageous, and anything that is done for the sake of the challenge would be blatantly obvious.

I still think a number of these confessions are them joking.

(Might've overreacted a bit in this thread due to being accused of this in game and seeing others who weren't doing so being accused)

You need to realize that a painful number of people deep down seem to think that the MM intentionally stacks things against THEM, personally, to keep them down and prevent from from winning more often (like they clearly should).

People syncdrop to get an edge. They probably quit after 10 or less matches in frustration. Look at all the Elo threads; read between the lines - what they really, really want is to farm nubs in a troll build and feel like a boss. They're not average! They're incredible, just like mom always said. They only use cheat codes to win in Skyrim some of the time and they beat most the games they bought for their N64 back in the day. Why don't they win all the time here? Clearly the system is against them and everyone who is doing better than they are is cheating.

Challenges, Elo and the like keep the PvP side of the game challenging at all skill levels. Some people don't like to be challenged - they like to win and feel like it was a challenge (even if the outcome was never in doubt).

Syncdropping feeds heavily into that. Can people do it and do they do it? Absolutely. Is it effective? Statistically almost certainly not to any measurable degree. Is it a way to get a little trolling in when you're feeling bitter at the occasional idiot tsunami that washes back and forth through the solo queue, that rogue wave of ******* that swells in the seas of puglandia? Sure. Why not. Even one successful syncdrop just to make everyone else in the match feel like they're the ones getting screwed is probably enough for most those folks.

So yeah - joking about it will inspire rage for some folks. They're looking for an excuse to blame the cold hard truth of their mediocrity on. That's the sort of stuff that can really snap an already fragile soul.

[DYSEQTA]

The biggest problem with people cheating in any way in a competition is that it then makes others think they must either cheat or not participate. It doesn't matter if it's a swimming race or an online game there must be measures in place before a competition begins to ensure that cheating is not a factor or else there is no point bothering.

In this particular tournament there is little point in trying too hard as eventually your increasing ELO will make it difficult ever more difficult to proceed more-so for some chassis than others.

I would simply ask PGI to really think about how they structure measurement of performance in the next tournament as well as how they police fair play before hand.

[Lily from animove]

KuroNyra, on 26 October 2014 - 03:19 AM, said:

QQQ?

Jealous?
Butthurt?


Some guy are that good.
Take a look at some locust pilot, they can do wonders with piece of trash.

pff, I rarely have any big respect for many light pilots, as long as laserhitreg grants them virtually 3x an assaults HP, being good in a light is not skill. Spider runs away, straight line, eats 2x & CERML int he back, guess what? barely a scratch, because having 90+ armor in the back is what lights do right? Anything above 130 kph is literally getting untouchable.

The wonder is only being to fast for the server calculating hits. Feels more like mechanic exploit than a wonder actually.

Edited by Lily from animove, 27 October 2014 - 02:21 AM.

[Vervuel]

Yep, easier to kill lights with gauss or ac20 than lasers. I have legged more lights this weekend with my gauss than my lasers, which should be the other way around right? That said, most lights run lasers too, and if they want full damage, they have to either have phenomenal aim while moving, or have to slow down or stop to keep the burn on target- makes them easy targets

[Lancer Deistler]

Lily from animove, on 27 October 2014 - 01:58 AM, said:

pff, I rarely have any big respect for many light pilots, as long as laserhitreg grants them virtually 3x an assaults HP, being good in a light is not skill. Spider runs away, straight line, eats 2x & CERML int he bakc, guess what? barely a scratch, because having 90+ armor in the back is what lights do right? Anything above 130 kph is literally getting untouchable.

The wonder is only being to fast for the server calculating hits. Feels more like mechanic exploit than a wonder actually.

Well bad laser hitreg works in both directions. And guess what light usually field? Medium Lasers. Yesterday i had bad hitreg all day. It's frustrating when you have a red cored sidetorso of a heavy or even assault, you unload an 30 DMG alpha into it and than it only slightly blinks. Mediums that feel like they have 90 point of back armor. I know your pain, believe me or not.

Edited by Lancer Deistler, 27 October 2014 - 02:23 AM.