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[MovinTarget]

This weekends challenge showed that, all things being equal, the Jenner is apparently overpowered for a light mech. According to the leader boards, only Dire Wolf and Storm Crow have hight top scores...

Think about it. The Jenner was the best scoring IS mech. You can't dismiss it as a fluke because the top 15 in the Jenner class would smash any other IS class.

It was THE best ranking mech up until Saturday afternoon I think...

I am not bragging either... I only ranked 70th...

So what do you all think this means for a lowly IS light mech?

[Josef Nader]

It means there are pilots who haven't changed their Jenners since Closed Beta, who know that machine like the back of their hand, and who have been consistently playing at the top level for over 2 years.

That's what it means.

[KamikazeRat]

that they are good kill-stealers...being able to dose out 6ml into one spot that someone else has opened up.

[Darian DelFord]

KamikazeRat, on 27 October 2014 - 09:00 AM, said:

that they are good kill-stealers...being able to dose out 6ml into one spot that someone else has opened up.

As a dedicated Jenner Pilot this is more true than most will admit. When you can put 30 points of damage into an open torso doing 150 KPH your going to fry them. Happens all the time.

If anything the CT of the Jenner needs to be addressed, its 80% of the damn mech I swear!

[Ultimax]

Jenner is fine, it is not even remotely overpowered and has zero reason to be nerfed.

It is one of the gold standards of Light mechs and other light mechs should be as well designed.

[MeiSooHaityu]

KamikazeRat, on 27 October 2014 - 09:00 AM, said:

that they are good kill-stealers...being able to dose out 6ml into one spot that someone else has opened up.

That's how a lot of lights play. I do the same with the Raven. See a crit torso, unload 3 MLasers and 2 SRM4s into it....Profit.

I just assumed that was common knowledge.

Light = Vulture.

[GalmOne]

I agree i think the jenner is fine as it is, if you look at the scoreboard for the tournament you will also notice how Locusts have been active with high points/rewards and those are by no means overpowered mechs

If there's one thing that needs to be fixxed is probably the wobbling hitboxxes when just simply tapping your jumpjets while running, doesn't drop your speed but sure as hell messes the damage of anyone trying to hit you (specialy with lasers)

[Brody319]

This tournament is not a good way to tell which mechs are good or bad. The Jenner could have easily just swept over the team getting tons of assists. People are playing either their best mech or the one they think no one else will do good. So underpowered mechs are being played more because people think there won't be competition.

I doubt they will even touch any of the mechs since they already planned the quirk pass several weeks ago.

[Rhaythe]

I find the concept of "kill-stealing" in this team-based game amusing. Especially when people try to say it's a light-mech behavior only. What are we light pilots supposed to do? NOT shoot for the weak sections? Like someone sporting 2 gauss rifles and an assorted collection of lasers aren't doing the same thing?

[FupDup]

IS lights in general seem to be good at farming tournament points because they can killsteal and retreat more easily than most other classes.

While it's easier to get a good tourney score with a powerful mech than a weak mech, we shouldn't try to use tourney score as a measure of robot viability. It's a matter of correlation rather than causation.

[KamikazeRat]

Rhaythe, on 27 October 2014 - 09:42 AM, said:

I find the concept of "kill-stealing" in this team-based game amusing. Especially when people try to say it's a light-mech behavior only. What are we light pilots supposed to do? NOT shoot for the weak sections? Like someone sporting 2 gauss rifles and an assorted collection of lasers aren't doing the same thing?

MeiSooHaityu, on 27 October 2014 - 09:13 AM, said:

That's how a lot of lights play. I do the same with the Raven. See a crit torso, unload 3 MLasers and 2 SRM4s into it....Profit.

I just assumed that was common knowledge.

Light = Vulture.

Darian DelFord, on 27 October 2014 - 09:06 AM, said:

As a dedicated Jenner Pilot this is more true than most will admit. When you can put 30 points of damage into an open torso doing 150 KPH your going to fry them. Happens all the time.

If anything the CT of the Jenner needs to be addressed, its 80% of the damn mech I swear!

KamikazeRat, on 27 October 2014 - 09:00 AM, said:

that they are good kill-stealers...being able to dose out 6ml into one spot that someone else has opened up.

i never said it was a bad thing, just an explanation of why the jenner is going to be top-teir during a challenge that rewards kills over all else.

[UrsusMorologus]

KamikazeRat, on 27 October 2014 - 09:00 AM, said:

that they are good kill-stealers...being able to dose out 6ml into one spot that someone else has opened up.

BTW you can do the same thing with any Firestarter that is not an Ember

[The Flying Gecko]

I've been saying the Jenner is the best mech in the game for ages.

[nehebkau]

KamikazeRat, on 27 October 2014 - 09:00 AM, said:

that they are good kill-stealers...being able to dose out 6ml into one spot that someone else has opened up.

They are good kill at finishing off injured mechs.

[Belorion]

Pretty sure they are buffing the Jenner.

[MovinTarget]

I guess one other thing to consider is in the scoring it mentions "(Wins * 20)" I'm assuming that applies to your "best 10 games" so that is capped to 200pts max... Otherwise I'd say perhaps jenners just won more games.

Still doesn't it strike anyone as odd that Jenners scored so much better in a system that is based on Kills>assists>damage?

Lights are opportunistic I get that, but why Jenners above and beyond all other lights?

Is it the simplicity of the loadout (though still robust)?

Higher survivability?

Easier to pilot?

I am honestly not trying to troll, just curious... my two main chassis are Jenner and Cicada, I live for speed (except when driving an ECM AC20 Cicada). I guess I am just wondering if there is some flaw in the game that you unless you live in extreme speed or incredible loadout/durability, you are disadvantaged...

wait a minute... I think I finally get min/maxing...

[Screech]

Yeah, cause 6 ML lasers is stupid OP. How can anyone expect to compete against the devastating might of 6 ML? Seriously there are 6 of them, lasers of medium size.

Think about the children, please.

[MovinTarget]

If that were true then why is the 15th highest Jenner still higher that other lights #10? Perhaps Jenner is just the premier IS light and has more expert pilots than other lights.... I don't know any statistics to tell you how many drops for each chassis (and perhaps each variant).

That would be interesting to see... I know there were a TON of Crows outs there...

[MeiSooHaityu]

KamikazeRat, on 27 October 2014 - 09:53 AM, said:

i never said it was a bad thing, just an explanation of why the jenner is going to be top-teir during a challenge that rewards kills over all else.

Agreed, not a bad thing at all.

[Lily from animove]

MovinTarget, on 27 October 2014 - 08:56 AM, said:

This weekends challenge showed that, all things being equal, the Jenner is apparently overpowered for a light mech. According to the leader boards, only Dire Wolf and Storm Crow have hight top scores...

Think about it. The Jenner was the best scoring IS mech. You can't dismiss it as a fluke because the top 15 in the Jenner class would smash any other IS class.

It was THE best ranking mech up until Saturday afternoon I think...

I am not bragging either... I only ranked 70th...

So what do you all think this means for a lowly IS light mech?

It emans that the mech does have potential when its polited right. Just because many don't do it or don't can it doesn't makes it a bad mech.

there is nothing wrong with the jenner, ist quick it has great hitboxes. A light as a light should be. 6 ML on a fast hit and run mech, Opps running hot, no problem im hidding just here now where it is safe.

I really don't get why the light queue is so emtpy, tbh I think many lights are better than most mediums even. Mediums hardly have more punch and their HP ae not significantly better in comparison to how much they are slower (except Circada and some kintaro builds).

Edited by Lily from animove, 27 October 2014 - 10:48 AM.