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[SaltBeef]

Does a vietnam era recoiless rifle have riflings?




Where is the Beef?

Edited by SaltBeef, 03 November 2014 - 12:01 PM.

[Satan n stuff]

FupDup, on 30 October 2014 - 12:45 PM, said:

If they're "better than they should be" then why is the overall most effective mech in the game a laser-and/or-SRM-puking 75 ton heavy?

Volume, mostly. Try fitting that many ballistics on anything.

[SkyCake]

Archon, on 30 October 2014 - 01:38 PM, said:

I don't understand this "no penalty" BS that people keep claiming Gauss rifles have. Gauss rifles have been nerfed extensively and have loads of penalties; they have a charge time that significantly impacts aiming (you have to have damn good timing to hit a moving target with a weapon that charges, if they're standing still shame on them) they take up a large amount of critical space, 1 ton of their ammo is only 10 rounds, and OH YEAH THEY EXPLODE AND TAKE OUT HALF OR POSSIBLY ALL OF YOUR MECH WHEN DESTROYED. You're paying for that firepower. Deal with it.

UM dual gauss is frickin awesome, loooool what you talkin bout!?

[Tombstoner]

SaltBeef, on 03 November 2014 - 12:00 PM, said:

Does a vietnam era recoiless rifle have riflings?




Where is the Beef?

Yes..... if its a smooth bore its called a gun.

Since a cross bow is also fired from the shoulder does that also make it a rifle?

Sorry people but question like this is far more interesting then the OP's topic. one thats easily answered by PGI has reasons not too.

[Tombstoner]

Alexander MacTaggart, on 03 November 2014 - 11:54 AM, said:

Um, hate to break it to you but a missile is simply something launched through the air. Arrows are missiles, as well as spears, rocks, my mother's pans...

It doesn't have to have fins, a guidance system and a warhead to be a missile.

I completely agree and a missile without a guidance system is just a rocket not an arrow.
and yet weapons fired from the shoulder are rifles don't matter if they have rifling or not.
But what if it was fired from the shoulder and had self contained propellant but was unguided is it a rocket rifle.

Makes me thing the category rifle is a tad too inclusive and has things in it that it shouldn't

Why is a sub machine gun not a sub-machine rifle?

[Alexander MacTaggart]

Tombstoner, on 03 November 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

Why is a sub machine gun not a sub-machine rifle?

Is the SMG fired from your shoulder?

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Alek Ituin, on 03 November 2014 - 07:09 AM, said:

No. No it doesn't. It never has.

FFS, rifles are literally defined as being shoulder fired weapons with rifling in the barrel. Did you miss that first part? Here, let me repeat: SHOULDER. FIRED. WEAPONS. Do you fire howitzers from your shoulders? Cause I'd like to see that, you getting your entire body pulverized by the titanic recoil. Maybe your arm will even get torn off too... Nah, it'll definitely get torn off.

Artillery cannons are not rifles. They are not defined as rifles, they are not called rifles, they have never been referred to as rifles in any respectable standing army since the dawn of gunpowder artillery. Artillery weapons are ARTILLERY, defined as weapons that can fire a projectile further downrange than infantry small arms, the same small arms that include rifles!

There has been no time in history when rifles have been anything other than shoulder fired small arms with rifling in the barrel. They've never been classified as "any weapon with rifling". Or are we calling smooth bore weapons "muskets" now as well? Because that's the level of stupid that it would take to consider "any weapon with rifling" as a "rifle".


Jesus f**king f**k, why do I even bother... I'm literally repeating myself. I have made the exact same point 3 times now, so I'm done repeating myself.

wait; so autocannons are arty?

What was your point again?

Alexander MacTaggart, on 03 November 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

Is the SMG fired from your shoulder?

um...



http://youtu.be/s30IjVts73M

http://youtu.be/L0nOs9Ke2yk

Id say yes XD

[Abivard]

Maybe this little chant will help you.

[Lightfoot]

Very simple. MWO uses 2xrecharge rates more or less, but has DHS 1.4. This means only Ballistics can utilize the 2xRecharge rate because all other weapons will overheat the mech quickly. There is no way out other than 1xRecharge or full DHS 2.0.

There is no pin-point damage in MWO except from weapons of the same type or lasers. You just move laterally to your attacker and the different weapon's target points break apart. Enough that the damage spreads across your mech and/or misses. You can do that much yourself anytime.

[Odins Fist]

Dire Wolf Mega cannon dislikes your ideas.. LOL

[Abivard]

Alek Ituin, on 03 November 2014 - 07:09 AM, said:

No. No it doesn't. It never has.

FFS, rifles are literally defined as being shoulder fired weapons with rifling in the barrel. Did you miss that first part? Here, let me repeat: SHOULDER. FIRED. WEAPONS. Do you fire howitzers from your shoulders? Cause I'd like to see that, you getting your entire body pulverized by the titanic recoil. Maybe your arm will even get torn off too... Nah, it'll definitely get torn off.

Artillery cannons are not rifles. They are not defined as rifles, they are not called rifles, they have never been referred to as rifles in any respectable standing army since the dawn of gunpowder artillery. Artillery weapons are ARTILLERY, defined as weapons that can fire a projectile further downrange than infantry small arms, the same small arms that include rifles!

There has been no time in history when rifles have been anything other than shoulder fired small arms with rifling in the barrel. They've never been classified as "any weapon with rifling". Or are we calling smooth bore weapons "muskets" now as well? Because that's the level of stupid that it would take to consider "any weapon with rifling" as a "rifle".


Jesus f**king f**k, why do I even bother... I'm literally repeating myself. I have made the exact same point 3 times now, so I'm done repeating myself.

[color=#000000]10-pounder Parrott rifle[/color]
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12-pounder Whitworth breechloading rifle

[Abivard]

M67 recoilless rifle.

A Carl Gustav recoilless rifle




And let us never forget the Grand daddy of all rifles:
Schwerer Gustav, [color=#252525]It was the largest-calibre rifled weapon ever used in combat:[/color]

[Kjudoon]

If ballistics are fine, then everything else needs to be buffed.

[Abivard]

Kjudoon, on 03 November 2014 - 06:36 PM, said:

If ballistics are fine, then everything else needs to be buffed.

We have a WINNER!

[Alexander MacTaggart]

Kjudoon, on 03 November 2014 - 06:36 PM, said:

If ballistics are fine, then everything else needs to be buffed.

Problem with this, even if it makes logical sense, is that TTK is too low already. Buffing everything else would shorten it even more...

[Khobai]

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. Gauss rifles have been nerfed extensively

And then then clan gauss came along which was 3 tons lighter and 1 crit ton less than IS gauss.

clan weapons are supposed to be equal but different.

clan autocannons are burst fire. clan lasers have longer durations. clan lrms fire one at a time. but clan gauss is just outright BETTER.

[Kjudoon]

Alexander MacTaggart, on 03 November 2014 - 07:07 PM, said:

Problem with this, even if it makes logical sense, is that TTK is too low already. Buffing everything else would shorten it even more...

Ahhhhh... you caught that did you?

If you can't buff everything else to balance with the overkill of dualgauss... what do you have left? That's right. Nerf dual gauss because it is unbalancing by killing too easy. Make it a short burst then like haf the speed of a lpl and you have something here.

[Y E O N N E]

Tombstoner, on 03 November 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

Why is a sub machine gun not a sub-machine rifle?

Because a machine-gun is a machine rifle, which is an automatic firearm that uses full-size ("rifle-sized") cartridges. A sub-machine-gun slots in below a machine gun because it fires rounds developed for hand-guns (pistols).

I've been following this whole debate, and what really needs to happen is weapons getting properly categorized.

First, you have small arms and artillery.

Small arms are pistols and long-arms and everything in-between; long-arms are generally referred to as rifles because they were the first class of weapon to have rifled barrels. It's an old carry-over from the days of smooth-bore musketry.

Artillery equipment falls, broadly, into direct-fire and plunging-fire categories. The former are referred to as guns while the latter contains howitzers and mortars. With today's implements, guns and howitzers are often the same piece of equipment, while mortars are usually smaller-scale, squad-portable artillery. The main difference between a mortar and a howitzer is that mortars fire shells at low-velocities.

Technically, anything with a rifled barrel is, in fact, a rifle. But common parlance reserves the use of the word "rifle" for small-arms. Larger munitions are referred to as "rifled", but not as "rifles."

And yes, to the person who asked, an auto-cannon is artillery.