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[speleomaniac]

Here are the quirks from this thread.

http://mwomercs.com/...03#entry3862303


[color=#00FFFF]Hunchback Grid Iron - Tier 5 Skirmisher[/color]

Additional Armor (RT) +18
Additional Structure (RT) +12
Medium Pulse Range +12.5%
Energy Weapon Range +12.5%
Medium Pulse Heat Gen -12.5%
Energy Weapon Heat Gen -12.5%
UAC/5 Cooldown +12.5%
Ballistic Weapon Cooldown +12.5%
UAC/5 Velocity +12.5%%
Ballistic Weapon Velocity +12.5%
Ballistic Weapon Range +15%[color=#E69138]No[/color]

Now I play the GI in 4G setup, so AC20 and 3 med laser.

Now are these quirks are additive, so if I use UC5 that means %25 velocity increase and if I use AC20 %12.5? Or even I use UC5 it will be %12.5?

And why UC5, does anybody uses that with GI, I thought they will buff standard setups, which for GI Gauss cannon. Why UC5?

[Mechteric]

speleomaniac, on 29 October 2014 - 07:37 AM, said:

Now are these quirks are additive, so if I use UC5 that means %25 velocity increase and if I use AC20 %12.5? Or even I use UC5 it will be %12.5?

And why UC5, does anybody uses that with GI, I thought they will buff standard setups, which for GI Gauss cannon. Why UC5?

Yes, they are additive, so UAC5 will get 25% while all other ballistic is 12.5


Good question, the Grid Iron is stock with Gauss, no idea why they would choose UAC5 for the bonus.

[Bilbo]

They are calling it a skirmisher. Gauss is not really a skirmishing weapon. The roles they have assigned to many of the mechs have very little to do with their stock load out in many cases.

Edited by Bilbo, 29 October 2014 - 07:46 AM.

[KamikazeRat]

I run mine with an lbx but that's mostly for teh giggles of it.

Yeah, uac5 did sorta throw me off.

[Pygar]

Bilbo, on 29 October 2014 - 07:46 AM, said:

They are calling it a skirmisher. Gauss is not really a skirmishing weapon. The roles they have assigned to many of the mechs have very little to do with their stock load out in many cases.

Yeah...PGI needs to rethink this- trying to force players to do "new things!" with their favorite mechs is not going to end well. Quirks should either favor the stock loadout, or should be more openly worded for whole weapon categories instead of single weapons.

[N a p e s]

Ya, this is one of the mechs for which I disagree with the quirks. The stock build does come with medium pulse lasers so that part of it makes sense and it could actually be fun to try them out some more with these buffs but I'm not feeling the UAC5 on the GI.

I'll try it with its "intended" build but I would prefer something else.

Edit: Playing around with the GI in smurfy's has once again brought me back to thinking they should have given it 2 missiles and one ballistic hard point... dammit

Edited by Napes339, 29 October 2014 - 08:03 AM.

[UrsusMorologus]

The stock setup is fail--hopefully they are going to change it to match the quirks. Stock comes with Gauss in the hunch and an XL engine. Everybody always aims for the hunch. Gauss rifles have low hit-points and explode on damage and take out the side torse with it, which triggers catastrophic engine failure with the XL, so... everybody shoots the hunch means the whole mech gets blown up all the time.

UAC5 opens opportunities for using the SRM tubes as well. Otherwise the missiles are basically useless.

Edited by UrsusMorologus, 29 October 2014 - 08:03 AM.

[Creovex]

UrsusMorologus, on 29 October 2014 - 08:02 AM, said:

The stock setup is fail--hopefully they are going to change it to match the quirks. Stock comes with Gauss in the hunch and an XL engine. Everybody always aims for the hunch. Gauss rifles have low hit-points and explode on damage and take out the side torse with it, which triggers catastrophic engine failure with the XL, so... everybody shoots the hunch means the whole mech gets blown up all the time.

UAC5 opens opportunities for using the SRM tubes as well. Otherwise the missiles are basically useless.

Sounds like they are trying to force the change.... which in this mechs case.... is much needed. I liked the thought of the Grid Iron filling the Hollander role... yet it never happened right and to be honest... is better retconned to an UAC5.

[Elizander]

You know they should make any UAC CD modifier affect the Jam time too. It doesn't matter if it the CD is lower if the jam duration is the same.

This might be funny because you can't really bring more MPLs with 2 UAC5s

GRID IRON 2x UAC5 1x MPL

Something less silly:

GRID IRON 2x UAC5 2x ML

Or maybe they were thinking something like this? Skirmisher means you have to move fast, right?

GRID IRON 1x UAC5 3x MPL 1x LRM5 275XL

I'm confused as to what specific build they had in mind for the Gridiron to be honest.

Or this:

GRID IRON 1x UAC5 3x MPL 1x LRM10 255XL

The issue:

MPLs weight 2x MLs and any Ballistic weapon is heavy.

Edited by Elizander, 29 October 2014 - 08:25 AM.

[Joe Mallad]

Agree. If they are going to give it quirks for the UAC5 than they need to represent that with making the base model come with the UAC5 and pull the Gauss.

Edited by Yoseful Mallad, 29 October 2014 - 08:12 AM.

[focuspark]

The quirks should reflect the cannon stock loadouts - after all that's what the damn things were designed to do.

[UrsusMorologus]

a no-jam quirk would be pretty awesome

[Phromethius]

This is VERY ODD. because after lots of trial and error, this is EXACTLY how I run my Grid Iron. I tried the G setup and it's cheese and fun sometimes. I tried even stuff with missiles. My set up now is U/AC5 in the torso and three medium pulses. Its been more consistent in output and performance. Not my absolute favorite Hunch, I have 4 of them, but it gets the job done nicely as a Skirmisher.

I for one am excited about these quirks.

[Almond Brown]

CapperDeluxe, on 29 October 2014 - 07:42 AM, said:

Yes, they are additive, so UAC5 will get 25% while all other ballistic is 12.5

Good question, the Grid Iron is stock with Gauss, no idea why they would choose UAC5 for the bonus.

Likely reason is that the Gauss Rifle already has BEST Range, Best Speed, second BEST damage, second BEST DPS and ZERO heat. Adding bonuses to it would just create much QQ and PGI hate...

The UAC5 at close to 700m optimum range, 1500m/s may actually work. One could add the Cool down modules as well and get to 1.46s.

Edited by Almond Brown, 29 October 2014 - 08:20 AM.

[Ultimax]

Bilbo, on 29 October 2014 - 07:46 AM, said:

They are calling it a skirmisher. Gauss is not really a skirmishing weapon. The roles they have assigned to many of the mechs have very little to do with their stock load out in many cases.

They called the Boar's Head a skirmisher too, how exactly does one Skirmish as a 100T mech?

Is that even a valuable role for 1 of your 3 allotted Assaults?

Edited by Ultimatum X, 29 October 2014 - 08:39 AM.

[Xarian]

Skirmisher is, I think according to PGI, a mech that does a lot of hit-and-run attacks. I actually like the quirk setup that they have on the Grid Iron. You don't have to use 2x UAC/5, by the way; any ballistic still gets a hefty bonus, including Gauss. The UAC/5 just gets a slightly bigger bonus if you choose to go that route. A single UAC/5 is viable.

BTW: a 25% cooldown bonus is the same as a 33% DPS increase; a 12.5% cooldown bonus is the same as a 14% DPS increase.

The Boar's Head is not a skirmisher - it's impossible for an Atlas to be a skirmisher. The quirks that they put on that thing won't make that build viable; it will just make everyone avoid the Boar's Head. They could've at least given MPLs a total of 20% heat reduction - still minor and not enough to make the chassis particularly usable.

Edited by Xarian, 29 October 2014 - 08:50 AM.

[Bilbo]

Ultimatum X, on 29 October 2014 - 08:38 AM, said:

They called the Boar's Head a skirmisher too, how exactly does one Skirmish as a 100T mech?

Is that even a valuable role for 1 of your 3 allotted Assaults?

It's a viable role on the faster chassis. The Boar's Head is a relatively fast Atlas, though not really fast enough that I'd try to make skirmisher out of it though.

[Ultimax]

Xarian, on 29 October 2014 - 08:50 AM, said:

The Boar's Head is not a skirmisher - it's impossible for an Atlas to be a skirmisher. The quirks that they put on that thing won't make that build viable; it will just make everyone avoid the Boar's Head. They could've at least given MPLs a total of 20% heat reduction - still minor and not enough to make the chassis particularly usable.

Pretty much this.

Bilbo, on 29 October 2014 - 08:53 AM, said:

It's a viable role on the faster chassis. The Boar's Head is a relatively fast Atlas, though not really fast enough that I'd try to make skirmisher out of it though.

It's not inherently faster than other Atlas mechs.

Even if you go nuts and slot a 400 engine, you are getting an extra 7 KPH.


Some stock load outs are simply stupid, the Boar's Head load out is one of them, this mech has no business with an XL.

[DONTOR]

speleomaniac, on 29 October 2014 - 07:37 AM, said:

And why UC5, does anybody uses that with GI, I thought they will buff standard setups, which for GI Gauss cannon. Why UC5?

Lucky for me I use dual UAC5 and 2-3 medim lasers, so I got exactly what I wanted. Use the AC20 on the 4G leave other things to other chassis, that was the intent of the perks as I interpreted it.

[Walluh]

Who in their right mind would ever put a gauss rifle on a hunchback..?