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[Kittygrinder]

BulletChief, on 25 June 2012 - 05:24 AM, said:

it will be f2p at the beginning but when they realize that some visual gimmicks don't generate enough revenue they will consider and implement p2w...

it's always like that.

Youre silly. LoL has been in the business of selling just skins, champs and boosts for real money. And they might be the biggest money making F2P game out there. Sheesh, the one thing they dont sell for money are runes, and those have a HUGE impact on how well a champ performs. You have to play matches to earn the IP in order to buy them.

So no, if LoL can survive and make mad amounts of money with out selling power, then MWO can too.

[miliardo]

People no one's forcing you to play the game..how much of these stupid wining treads are gonna pop up..
Yes, everyone who ever played games similar to WoT knows that you need premium vehicles if you want to maintain all your other high tier normal vehicles..

Same is here, repairs on you other mechs are gonna be high, and if you don't want to go to the minus, and force yourself to play some lower tier mechs just so you could play your high tier ones, you're going to buy that premium mech which only has 25% increased earnings per match..now i'll repeat this for you 25% increased credit earning per game

Does anywhere else says maybe something about premium mechs have increased damage by 25% or so??? NO, it doesn't say that.. Therefore if you would like to play this game a little bit relaxed without having to think will you have enough credits to repair or restock your mech, even buy another one, then you will buy premium mech.

If not, again, no one is forcing you to do so...and please stop with this treads already.. When developers say that premium mechs will be stronger than non premium ones, then you can wine.

[CobaltRaptor]

Risky, on 25 June 2012 - 05:37 AM, said:

You kidding? With that kind of money players could drown mechs in their overflow of c-bills! THIS IS BAD NEWS! BAD NEWS!

Only for the really good players because it is a multiplier. If you stink the 25% will not come out to much more than standard, anyone can buy good gear, using it effectively is another matter entirely.

[Sprouticus]

Kristarian, on 25 June 2012 - 05:39 AM, said:

Would any of you really spend your hard earned cash just to get a special paint job knowing that some poor ******* in a ratty ole mech could put it in the junk yard....NO I don't think you would, not unless you knew there was some other advantages. Dispite what everyone has said, I feel that it will become pay 2 win, they always always do.

I already spent $700 on a new rig JUST to play this game.
4000 people shelling out $120 for a Legendary FP says you are wrong.



The simple fact is that a LOT of us are willing to pay for the XP bonus, the C-Bill bonus of a premium account. Time = $$, and $10 or $15 a month to me is nothing. Ill also pay to buy mechs rather than grind the C-Bills for them.

Cosmetic stuff......probably not, but who cares. Im guessing $15-$30 bucks a month for this game myself. And Im not alone. MW is a fairly mature (read that as OLD) community. Many of us are in our 30's and 40's. We have some expendable income, but we also have jobs and families taking our time.

Just because you dont have money to spend on a hobby, doesn't mean the rest of us don't.

[Game_Overture]

I think PGI is taking game balance seriously when they say lighter mechs serve equal roles on the battle field as their 100ton lancemates.

Pay2Win sucks, but it also sucks when just playing the game more than others give you an advantage. You have people with a massive amount of freetime they can devote to a game. When a game (like WoW) caters to players who just play more, rather than rely on raw skill, it'll kill the game just as easily as P2W.

Fortunately, MWO seems to be taking the skill route seriously... and people like me who don't have much free time can at least use money to stay afloat with the people who invest 40+ hrs a week.

[MechAS]

I think the league of legend system is perfect, you pay for things that do not affect the gameplay, no one is better than anyone buying things, whereas in games like Runes of Magic buy things that make you better than others. The free 2 play system is ideal for us and for the company, everyone is happy

Edited by MechAS, 25 June 2012 - 06:07 AM.

[Risky]

In all honesty you people worry too much about this, trust the devs as they're not lying to you. Canadians can't lie, the truth gene infects them all.

[Odweaver]

Okay so we have people that will always go assault mechs, and people that will always go for the latest variant.
Anyone have any predictions what the next fad will be?

I'm guessing people minimizing their armor so they can get extra tons of ammo or heatsinks.

[TimberJon]

blindprophet, on 25 June 2012 - 05:44 AM, said:

Well then you'd be wrong. I'd be more than happy to pay to get the color scheme I wanted. Secondly, I'd also spend money to get premium, as well as buying a mech without having to grind the cbills. The only real 'advantage' i'm looking for in such purchases is convenience.

Prophet nailed it on the head here. The only thing in MechWarrior: Online that you can buy with real money or in-game currency are items that have no affect on combat. You do not buy or are awarded weapons / 'Mechs / items with founders packs or premium subscriptions that nobody else has access to. There is no exclusivity. Everyone has the same equal access to everything the game has to offer. It is a game of piloting skill, not epic or legendary weapons.

And I would highly doubt that the Devs would push this far into new territory to make this game successful and then screw the fan base at a later time. There are smarter minds behind the wheel of this caravan.

Edited by TimberJon, 25 June 2012 - 06:09 AM.

[Simokon]

There is really no way to know for sure until the game actually comes out and we see what is in the cash shop.

[Lightcaller]

Got to at least give the Devs a chance to make the game not P2W. Really isn't that hard. You'd be surprised how much people will pay to avoid grinding and/or cosmetics. As long as everything gameplay altering is available in-game I really don't care.

[Eiki]

You can pay all the money you want. But if you can't figure out how throttle, torso-twist, and weapon turning works you will have the most expensive bullseye.

[Drain Blut]

The main thing to buy on this game will be Premium mode, which for 10$/month will give you +50% exp/money gained. This basically turns it into a paid MMO but rewards you for doing it. This does not give you any kind of combat advantage, it simply allows you to purchase your next desired weapons or Mechs sooner because you earn money faster. Like with League of Legends, it isn't a combat advantage to buy RP or IP, it simply allows you to get stuff sooner. I've read you'll also be able to buy Mechs directly for real cash(If Premium isn't fast enough for you), which again does not give you any kind of combat advantage; it simply allows you to use the next Mech sooner.(Again like buying a hero in League) There is also talk about custom skin/paint jobs for Mechs, which will cost real money. The success on League of Legends(Most popular multiplayer online game to date) shows that such a well done F2P model can work really well. It's a model that satisfies both the rich and the poor, since if you are broke you can still enjoy gaming for free and not be picked on by rich bullies. You can pay when you can afford to pay while being rewarded for it, or not pay during a bad time while still being able to play. Most games don't do this model correctly at all and turn it into "Pay 2 Win". I don't think MWO will make that mistake. Just do it how League of Legends did it and you'll be fine.

[Diomed]

MechAS, on 25 June 2012 - 06:02 AM, said:

I think the league of legend system is perfect, you pay for things that do not affect the gameplay, no one is better than anyone buying things, whereas in games like Runes of Magic buy things that make you better than others. The free 2 play system is ideal for us and for the company, everyone is happy

LoL is not perfect and it is pay2win like all the other so-called Free2Play games. The 6700 ip champs are superior to the lower cost champs. The IP gain is very slow unless you buy IP boosts. LoL is ceratinly one of the better, if not the best, P2W games but its still P2W.

And this game will probably be P2W as well. Look for the UnSeen to appear about 30 days after release. They will be better than stock mechs and they will be $35. I bet ya.

Edited by Diomed, 25 June 2012 - 06:27 AM.

[Drain Blut]

Diomed, on 25 June 2012 - 06:26 AM, said:

LoL is not perfect and it is pay2win like all the other so-called Free2Play games. The 6700 ip champs are superior to the lower cost champs. The IP gain is very slow unless you buy IP boosts. LoL is ceratinly one of the better, if not the best, P2W games but its still P2W.

And this game will probably be P2W as well. Look for the UnSeen to appear about 30 days after release. They will be better than stock mechs and they will be $35. I bet ya.

Actually most 6300 heroes aren't better than lower cost heroes at all. In fact some of the best heroes in the game are 1350.(See Garen and Jax) There's also extremely good 3150 heroes(See Gangplank) Soraka, a whole 450ip, is an amazing support hero. Annie, another cheap 450hero, can burst as much firepower as Brand, a 6300 guy. My point is that while the newest hero is usually OP or at least above average to get those sales, the rest of them are not judged in performance by their cost. League is, while far from perfect, still the best F2P model I've ever seen. Here's to hoping that MWO will do it even better. My concern here is class balancing. I hope every class feels useful and not just Light+Assault.

Eiki, on 25 June 2012 - 06:23 AM, said:

You can pay all the money you want. But if you can't figure out how throttle, torso-twist, and weapon turning works you will have the most expensive bullseye.

Well those kinds of guys can simply roll an Atlas and stack armor. Can't dodge enemy fire? Well then don't. Roll the 100ton brickwall and welcome enemy fire.

[zer0imh]

kid, no time to play, not rich (play for free)
kid, no time to play, rich (legendary)
kid, has all the time, not rich (play for free)
kid, has all the time, rich (elite)

adult, no time to play, not rich (play for free)
adult, no time to play, rich (legendary)
adult, has all the time, not rich (veteran)
adult, has all the time, rich (elite)




Fanboi, no time to play, not rich (legendary)
Fanboi, no time to play, rich (legendary)
Fanboi, has all the time, not rich (legendary)
Fanboi, has all the time, rich (legendary)



if you love the franchise, money is not problem.

Edited by zer0imh, 25 June 2012 - 07:30 AM.

[Celros]

I can say ive seen lots of things, good example WoT. and games like lol etc has been doing fine if they kept company size and expenses tight, if they manage do right from start, they got pretty good chance that they gonna be fine with just new mech releases and special color schemes (spelling aint right there I know). Ive always kept good policy with things like that, if playing game is fun, buying something from store aint problem once a while and Im pretty sure some thinks that way too...

Edited by Celros, 25 June 2012 - 06:58 AM.

[Kittygrinder]

Diomed, on 25 June 2012 - 06:26 AM, said:

LoL is not perfect and it is pay2win like all the other so-called Free2Play games. The 6700 ip champs are superior to the lower cost champs. The IP gain is very slow unless you buy IP boosts. LoL is ceratinly one of the better, if not the best, P2W games but its still P2W.

And this game will probably be P2W as well. Look for the UnSeen to appear about 30 days after release. They will be better than stock mechs and they will be $35. I bet ya.

Silly kid. They are not. See Ashe, shes one of the cheapest ones, and she can house anyone if shes built right. See Garen, hes also cheap (and one of the oldest champs) and hes stupidly powerful. Also Tryn, hes cheap, and effing broken in some cases. Jax too, 3150 if i remember right, and he can carry a team.

Please man. LoL is NOT pay to win. If you think it is, then you suck and are mad at the people who are better than you.

[Fear Radick]

Tarantoga, on 25 June 2012 - 05:25 AM, said:

thats funny coz you already can buy mechs which will be better than their normal versions, its also funny how you all are convinced it wont be pay to win, of course ppl paying will have an advantage over others so get real

A mech with different hard points, or a new paint job, or a cbill bonus doesn't improve your odds to win if you can't shoot straight.

[ForceUser]

Right now, because of the NDA we have no true facts on weather this game IS P2W right now. We will know at launch if the game is P2W Then. We will have no prrof on weather the game will be P2W IN THE FUTURE until it actually happens IF it happens.

My advice? Enjoy every moment while it is F2P.If we are Lucky we will be playing MWO F2P for a very long time, if not a little part of me will die and I will move on and play something else, maybe play a few matches every now and then for the fun of it. If they want to make the game P2W then we can't stop it from happening, but we can make them regret the move if they ever do it.

The biggest problem they are going to run into is that if they DO make the game P2W is that they will loose a large amount of their player base. Less players means more time waiting in the cue for a match and will make the game suck more every day. Everyone will buy gold bullets and no one wants to pay to just be on equal terms. They want to pay to WIN.

While there is some WoT similarities, I want to stab you in the eye socket every time I hear the word tiers, THERE ARE NO TIERS IN THIS GAME. Get it right you moronic illiterate bird 'seed' for brains.