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[Rasc4l]

1/3 - 2/3 of PPC shots seem to miss or go through enemy mechs. Not a regular PPC user so I don't know how it was before. People in my unit mentioned this first yesterday when they were testing their PPC-Awesomes. I fitted my TDR 9S with ERPPC and noticed the same. Even if I'm only ~200 m from the target and land a shot clearly in the center of the mech, many times I don't get red crosshairs. So it's about 50-50 if your PPCs will hit. My ping is steady ~120 ms so that's not the issue.

Edited by Rasc4l, 06 November 2014 - 08:45 AM.

[Raziberry]

I recently started using PPCs quite a bit, and I have noticed that the hitreg seems off. As above, hey maybe it's just me, but a lot of the time my shots seem to pass right through an enemy, even close-up .I maintain a ping well below 100, so lag isn't likely the cause.

Not trying to complain, just make a potential issue known.

[Ascaloth]

I also had this problem quite a few times, especially when trying to hit Stormcrows. I see the ppc blue sparks trespassing their arms and legs and nothing happens. Maybe lagshield issues? My ping is not very good, 180~220.

Edited by Ascaloth, 06 November 2014 - 09:22 AM.

[Summon3r]

its awful and has been for sometime, not sure they are even acknowledging it.

[Mazgazine1]

I was firing across the valley map at around 1500M with ERPPcs (9m 1089m range) and I only it one out of 10 shots on a standing still target. maybe part of the level wasn't drawing or something?

I think PGI needs to change the hit box on the PPC to a point like lasers instead of a large bitmap. It a lot harder to use then lasers at lots of angles because the big orb gets in the way and hits the ground, wall , or ramp in the way.

[Miss Hannigan]

I logged in just to throw my hat into this thread, ppc hit reg is HORRIBLE. I will try to update with some proof but I have seen in spectating as well.

[teabuzz]

Agreed it is in a pretty sore state.

I feel ballistics are a bit better. Seems as though PPC hitreg should be similar to ballistics minus trajectory. Perhaps the particle size or even shape they are using is throwing it off?

Lot of things going on for the devs right now, I can't hold my breath for this one unfortunately

[Nightmare1]

I've been having this issue for a while now; since the last Worthy Adversaries Tourney, actually.

[MechWarrior4172571]

Rasc4l, on 06 November 2014 - 08:42 AM, said:

1/3 - 2/3 of PPC shots seem to miss or go through enemy mechs. Not a regular PPC user so I don't know how it was before. People in my unit mentioned this first yesterday when they were testing their PPC-Awesomes. I fitted my TDR 9S with ERPPC and noticed the same. Even if I'm only ~200 m from the target and land a shot clearly in the center of the mech, many times I don't get red crosshairs. So it's about 50-50 if your PPCs will hit. My ping is steady ~120 ms so that's not the issue.

I think it's also an issue for srm packs. I've shot at a moving target, granted a small hit box light mechs, a pre-calculated volleys that should have hit them and they just passed through them. The physics are way off. As far as PPCs shooting right through mechs without doing damage--I've seen that too when spectating. My ping is around 70 with 50-60fps so there shouldn't be problem in that department. I think there is an error of calculation in physics part of the engine. It's like shooting in a 3D world but the enemy is 2D flat sheet of paper to you as long as they are moving; as soon as they stop moving we are are back to normal. I just don't think small hit boxes can explain this behavior fully.

[Lightfoot]

I am seeing this bug too. I have BAP on many mechs now and I get the target data of mechs usually before engaging and the PPC is not registering damage on many hits. The armor will flash, but not be damaged. Some maps are worse and map geometry clutter can make it more likely. Frozen City is bad as is Mining Colony.

[Thrudvangar]

unfortunately it's not only the ppc but every other weapon too...

examples:

1. my Jester (2 LL, 4 ML) against a Jenner: jenner sucks 5 alphas then runs away with a yellow, non cored CT

2. my Jester against an Ice Ferret: took me about 8 alphas and a few chainfired lasers until his right torso got yellow cored, he killed me with his SRMs...

3. my Centurion9-AH with an AC20 and 3 SRM2 against a Vulture who targeted someone far away shooting LRMs on that target, he didnt even turned around.. well... one alpha after another in his BACK.. then he started to run away from me, always presenting his back and i kept following him permanently shooting his back until a DDC Atlas appeared and almost oneshotted my CT ;) i've got 31 AC20 rounds and after this there were only 12 left and this Vulture survived it to the end of the game.. i ONLY shot his back, never been in front of him...

4. my Victor with a Gauss and ER-PPC against a firestarter: he was standing, watching porn or something else when i sneaked upon him, hitting his back twice with both weapons, then he starts circling me. Took me 12 Gauss rounds and almost the same ER-PPC shots to get his armor orange, then his teammates showed up and killed me... Even in a brawl/close combat against lights... i'm good with the gauss and i hit with it almost every time, even while circled by someone...

all that tells me that something really weird is going on with the hitreg and its not only the PPC right now. PPC hitreg was ****** up before (not like its right now but it was)...

my ping is 120 to 135.. this shouldnt be a problem. i dont have any connection issues nor do i have lag spikes or dramatical ping drops.

i've also watched it yesterday at the testing grounds at forest colony shooting the commando.. i took alot of shots to bring him down with my lasers and after that with another mech and AC and PPC fire... i targeted him, left the mouse where it was and just hit my keyboard buttons to shoot.. yeah.. it took alot shots and those where also split.. sometimes i hit his arm, then his torso, then his CT.... all that while not moving the target cursor..

[Bront]

I hit 5 mechs with an Arty strike, hit with at least 4 AC20 shots, and a few SRM4 vollys in a game. match damage? 36.

I would hit mechs, watch the indicator go red, and see 0 damage register. It was really, really bad.

[Thrudvangar]

Bront, on 06 November 2014 - 11:52 PM, said:

I hit 5 mechs with an Arty strike, hit with at least 4 AC20 shots, and a few SRM4 vollys in a game. match damage? 36.

I would hit mechs, watch the indicator go red, and see 0 damage register. It was really, really bad.

hahaha that made me laugh..

yeah i know how it feels.. sometimes i feel really ashamed when i shoot and shoot and shoot and die because nothing happened to the enemy and then i see my matchdamage and i'm below 100 :/

yesterday i had a match where my whole team was below 100dmg and like 50% of it where below 50 damage...
now it's not only the "noobs" who can't aim or something like that, no... now there's also hitregistration turning everybody
into a "noob" hahahahha

[zudukai]

hitreg is affected, not sure how bad but definitely seeing it.


also, srm ppc ghost heat?

[LORD ORION]

Not just PPCs
I am seeing that hitreg in general not working very well right now.

Up until the patch I was pretty good at estimating my damage, now I am left scratching my head when the numbers coming back are 1/2 of what they should be.

[VXJaeger]

2 days ago I fired 500 C-SRMs to enemies at point blank range.
Result: 233dmg, incl lazors which were also intensively used.

**** this ****.

[Mothykins]

PPCs have always been bad, but you know it's bad when x6 SPL fired point blank into a Disco'd Jenner doesn't even register.

[Nik Reaper]

To be honest, all ballistics hitreg is ***** lately, I was shot several times with duall gauss, felt the impact but got no damage ,was slow moving and the shooter standing still at about 300m at 120ish ping.

[Lightfoot]

Yep, hit reg really terrible today for PPCs and ERPPCs. Lasers work okay for me, but the main loadout is PPCs, which everyone ignores and rushes to use ACs and SRMs on my mech where the PPCs are blocked by minimum range.

[Malcolm Decker]

This is a long-standing and easily reproduceable bug and one of the main reasons I don't run my Warhawk much anymore. The issue seems to arise when you fire you're PPC's in rapid succession. If a shot lands too soon after a previous hit, it fails to register. I also suspect that when you group fire twin PPC's only one of them is registering most of the time. The only way to get reliable hits seems to be to wait a few seconds between shots.