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[Davegt27]

So full circle Should the TW be classed as an Assault


On my Jager once I learned about speed tweak that's when I bought the two other Jagers'

The only reason was so I could install a smaller engine and keep some speed

That way I could mount more weapons and or ammo (to me that’s why weight is so important)

Now if the TW was classed as an Assault then there would be no need to nerf it,
No need to add unwanted JJs' since it would be a light Assault

Almost all the crying about it being the most powerful Mech in the game would stop

edit: I forgot flame on

Edited by Davegt27, 07 November 2014 - 04:14 PM.

[Ragnar Darkmane]

Satan n stuff, on 07 November 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

My point exactly. The Timberwolf is a fairly suboptimal clan mech considering what's possible at that tonnage.

You are right, it's so suboptimal that it is just barely dominating the entire meta and game right now...

[LauLiao]

Davegt27, on 06 November 2014 - 04:32 PM, said:

Simple question

Should the TW be classed as an Assault Mech?

Kind of thinking about my poor Jager at only 65 tons
What I would give for more tonnage on the Jager

The TW at 75 tons wow! Ten tons more capacity no wonder people cry about it all the time

Your thoughts

How in the hell is this even logical?

[Gyrok]

Ragnar Darkmane, on 07 November 2014 - 04:21 PM, said:

You are right, it's so suboptimal that it is just barely dominating the entire meta and game right now...

Actually, the Dragon with quirked AC5s can fire faster than clan UAC5s, with PPFLD 5 damage rounds...that is shockingly becoming "meta".

As for the TW, compared to some of the quirked IS mechs...it is probably a high tier 2 at this point. Once the nerfs for some of these come around, it may end up back on top. That or they will quirk it upward.

Seriously...the TW is good for a clan mech...but with superior IS weapons running cooler, with same range, PP FLD ballistics, bunched LRMs, and higher damage per missile SRMs, clans are probably slightly underpowered.

Edited by Gyrok, 07 November 2014 - 04:27 PM.

[Ragnar Darkmane]

Gyrok, on 07 November 2014 - 04:24 PM, said:

Actually, the Dragon with quirked AC5s can fire faster than clan UAC5s, with PPFLD 5 damage rounds...that is shockingly becoming "meta".

Oh wow. Last time I checked Dragons still didn't have super powered XL engines and superb stalkeresque hitboxes like the Timberwolf does... or nearly the amount of survivability even with a ST engine (and when running an ST a lack of speed compared to the TBW)... and Jump Jets.

Do not even try to justify how the TBR is right now by creating a new "boogeyman" that is soooo much better than the game dominating TBR. The thing is you won't find any because those new "super dangerous IS mechs" at least have major drawbacks to compensate for their new strengths that come with the quirk system, unlike the TBW that is excellent in everything and has no drawbacks whatsoever.

Edited by Ragnar Darkmane, 07 November 2014 - 04:32 PM.

[Gyrok]

Ragnar Darkmane, on 07 November 2014 - 04:28 PM, said:

Oh wow. Last time I checked Dragons still didn't have super powered XL engines and superb stalkeresque hitboxes like the Timberwolf does... and Jump Jets.

No, those hitboxes are catapult-esque...not stalker-esque.

I can already tell you clearly do not own one. So...yeah, wake up when you get a TW and finally realize it is not godmode. Do I do well in it? Sure...but I do well in a crap ton of other mechs too...

[Brody319]

Thing about the Stalker's and Catapult's hit boxes is that they have no arms. The Timberwolf does, meaning its side torsos are soo easy to hit.

[Alexander MacTaggart]

Brody319, on 07 November 2014 - 05:13 PM, said:

Thing about the Stalker's and Catapult's hit boxes is that they have no arms. The Timberwolf does, meaning its side torsos are soo easy to hit.

Also if a Mad Cat actually carries around LRMs suddenly the side torsos go real fast because of the mickey mouse ears.

[Brody319]

Alexander MacTaggart, on 07 November 2014 - 05:18 PM, said:

Also if a Mad Cat actually carries around LRMs suddenly the side torsos go real fast because of the mickey mouse ears.

Change the Catapult's ears into side torsos, and you see why most mad cats decide to not mount missiles.

[ShadowWolf Kell]

Brody319, on 07 November 2014 - 05:20 PM, said:

Change the Catapult's ears into side torsos, and you see why most mad cats decide to not mount missiles.

My Jester and K2 would be very sad kitties if that happened. They already nerfed our PPCs and gave us mini PPCs. That'd be like pouring salt on the wound.

Edited by ShadowWolf Kell, 07 November 2014 - 05:35 PM.

[Whitewolf95]

no. Simply because it's not.

[Davegt27]

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Davegt27, on 06 November 2014 - 06:32 PM, said:

Simple question

should the TW be classed as an Assault Mech?

Kind of thinking about my poor Jager at only 65 tons
what I would give for more tonnage on the Jager

The TW at 75 tons wow! Ten tons more capacity no wonder people cry about it all the time

your thoughts


How in the hell is this even logical?

I guess I better explain a bit further
The Heavy class of Mechs rage from 60 to 75tons
It soon becomes obvious the maximum tonnage of a Mech is the number one factor in the strength and power of a Battle Mech, similar to the battles ships that once roamed the oceans of the world.
The 50,300 ton Bismarck would be out classed by the 71,659 ton Yamato yet both where Battle ships

I was pointing out that my 65 ton Jager would be a lot more powerful if its maximum tonnage was increased to 70 tons
(In fact a 70 ton Jager could give a TW a run for its money even with its limited weapons load outs)

The TW at 75 tons is said to be overpowered, this high tonnage limit and variety of weapons, size of engine is all due to the fact of its 75 ton weight limit

But instead of cutting the weight off of the TW it might be better if it was in the Assault calls
It would then be in a class with 100 ton mechs
I was also trying point out that the 75 ton TW is not the most powerful Mech in the game
There are 100 ton mechs that have more power than the 75 ton TW

I think if the 75ton TW was in the Assault class it would cut down on the complaining about the TW (some call it crying)

Hope this helps
Daegt27

[Cygone]

Quote

I guess I better explain a bit further
The Heavy class of Mechs rage from 60 to 75tons
It soon becomes obvious the maximum tonnage of a Mech is the number one factor in the strength and power of a Battle Mech, similar to the battles ships that once roamed the oceans of the world.
The 50,300 ton Bismarck would be out classed by the 71,659 ton Yamato yet both where Battle ships

I was pointing out that my 65 ton Jager would be a lot more powerful if its maximum tonnage was increased to 70 tons
(In fact a 70 ton Jager could give a TW a run for its money even with its limited weapons load outs)

The TW at 75 tons is said to be overpowered, this high tonnage limit and variety of weapons, size of engine is all due to the fact of its 75 ton weight limit

But instead of cutting the weight off of the TW it might be better if it was in the Assault calls
It would then be in a class with 100 ton mechs
I was also trying point out that the 75 ton TW is not the most powerful Mech in the game
There are 100 ton mechs that have more power than the 75 ton TW

I think if the 75ton TW was in the Assault class it would cut down on the complaining about the TW (some call it crying)

Hope this helps
Daegt27

Seriously STFU.

75t Mechs in Mech Warrior are HEAVY Mechs.

You cant cut weight from the TW. Its a 75t Mech.

Are you really this ***** clueless?

[Brody319]

Davegt27, on 07 November 2014 - 06:29 PM, said:

I guess I better explain a bit further
The Heavy class of Mechs rage from 60 to 75tons
It soon becomes obvious the maximum tonnage of a Mech is the number one factor in the strength and power of a Battle Mech, similar to the battles ships that once roamed the oceans of the world.
The 50,300 ton Bismarck would be out classed by the 71,659 ton Yamato yet both where Battle ships

I was pointing out that my 65 ton Jager would be a lot more powerful if its maximum tonnage was increased to 70 tons
(In fact a 70 ton Jager could give a TW a run for its money even with its limited weapons load outs)

The TW at 75 tons is said to be overpowered, this high tonnage limit and variety of weapons, size of engine is all due to the fact of its 75 ton weight limit

But instead of cutting the weight off of the TW it might be better if it was in the Assault calls
It would then be in a class with 100 ton mechs
I was also trying point out that the 75 ton TW is not the most powerful Mech in the game
There are 100 ton mechs that have more power than the 75 ton TW

I think if the 75ton TW was in the Assault class it would cut down on the complaining about the TW (some call it crying)

Hope this helps
Daegt27

If they put it in the assault category, you would get to see more jaegers, cataphracts, and other heavies, but also less whales, and atlases.

So here is the problem. the weakness of assaults is their lack of speed. Whales are basically a one directional cannon. You essentially allow the possibility of 3 Cataphracts, and 3 timberwolves. That would not be fun. The timberwolf is a good mech because of the omnipods allowing it to specialize in a role rather than trying to focus on a bunch of roles it cant do, it can focus on one role and be really good. Missile boat, Laser vomit, Ballistics, it can do it all, do it fast.

You essentially just remove the entire weakness focus of the assault class.

[TheCaptainJZ]

Davegt27, on 07 November 2014 - 06:29 PM, said:

I guess I better explain a bit further
The Heavy class of Mechs rage from 60 to 75tons
It soon becomes obvious the maximum tonnage of a Mech is the number one factor in the strength and power of a Battle Mech, similar to the battles ships that once roamed the oceans of the world.
The 50,300 ton Bismarck would be out classed by the 71,659 ton Yamato yet both where Battle ships

I was pointing out that my 65 ton Jager would be a lot more powerful if its maximum tonnage was increased to 70 tons
(In fact a 70 ton Jager could give a TW a run for its money even with its limited weapons load outs)

The TW at 75 tons is said to be overpowered, this high tonnage limit and variety of weapons, size of engine is all due to the fact of its 75 ton weight limit

But instead of cutting the weight off of the TW it might be better if it was in the Assault calls
It would then be in a class with 100 ton mechs
I was also trying point out that the 75 ton TW is not the most powerful Mech in the game
There are 100 ton mechs that have more power than the 75 ton TW

I think if the 75ton TW was in the Assault class it would cut down on the complaining about the TW (some call it crying)

Hope this helps
Daegt27

Ok, that's a better explaination of your thought process but it really doesn't matter. There is always going to be a best mech in each weight class. If not the Timberwolf, than something else. What makes the Timberwolf so great is a combination of many things including hardpoints and speed. People would be complaining about it even if it were classified as an Assault mech. Do you remember when people complained about the Victor, the lightests assault mech? It was widely considered the best mech in the game before it was nerfed and before clan mechs were added and before the meta at the time was disrupted by weapon tweaks and nerfs. So people would still complain about the TW regardless of what weight class it was in. People used to complain about the OP ecm ravens and the unhittable spiders. They were said to be ruining the game at the time. Weight is irrelevant.

[Dirgez]

Davegt27, on 07 November 2014 - 06:29 PM, said:

I guess I better explain a bit further
The Heavy class of Mechs rage from 60 to 75tons
It soon becomes obvious the maximum tonnage of a Mech is the number one factor in the strength and power of a Battle Mech, similar to the battles ships that once roamed the oceans of the world.
The 50,300 ton Bismarck would be out classed by the 71,659 ton Yamato yet both where Battle ships

I was pointing out that my 65 ton Jager would be a lot more powerful if its maximum tonnage was increased to 70 tons
(In fact a 70 ton Jager could give a TW a run for its money even with its limited weapons load outs)

The TW at 75 tons is said to be overpowered, this high tonnage limit and variety of weapons, size of engine is all due to the fact of its 75 ton weight limit

But instead of cutting the weight off of the TW it might be better if it was in the Assault calls
It would then be in a class with 100 ton mechs
I was also trying point out that the 75 ton TW is not the most powerful Mech in the game
There are 100 ton mechs that have more power than the 75 ton TW

I think if the 75ton TW was in the Assault class it would cut down on the complaining about the TW (some call it crying)

Hope this helps
Daegt27

...And while we are at, it lets change MWO to Mechassault Online.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Simple question stupid question

[MauttyKoray]

Rifleman III - 90 Tons
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Rifleman_III

Enjoy

[SaltBeef]

The MK 2 is the Assault. Coming to a invasion near you 3060.

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Edited by SaltBeef, 07 November 2014 - 07:38 PM.

[Davegt27]

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Ok, that's a better explaination of your thought process but it really doesn't matter. There is always going to be a best mech in each weight class. If not the Timberwolf, than something else. What makes the Timberwolf so great is a combination of many things including hardpoints and speed. People would be complaining about it even if it were classified as an Assault mech. Do you remember when people complained about the Victor, the lightests assault mech? It was widely considered the best mech in the game before it was nerfed and before clan mechs were added and before the meta at the time was disrupted by weapon tweaks and nerfs. So people would still complain about the TW regardless of what weight class it was in. People used to complain about the OP ecm ravens and the unhittable spiders. They were said to be ruining the game at the time. Weight is irrelevant.

I see--- thanks