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[luxebo]

Alright... so everyone is tired of R&R, LRMs, ECM, etc all kinds of the same same same threads over and over.

I have the solution: PGI create official polls on the forums, or even better, in the announcements. The key to this is to see exactly where everyone wants things, and if it's an even poll, then think for the benefit of the people as a whole and what is best.

This makes less different same threads on the same topic over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and... ok that's enough.

LRMs have been a specifically split topic where EVERYONE IN THE INNER SPHERE AND THOSE CLANNERS TOO have been complaining, for AND against it. Specifically most pug matches result in mostly everyone yelling that LRMs are OP. A lot of people on the other hand have been arguing that those pugs are noobs and need to step up, saying LRMs are worthless.

I'm personally split on this argument myself, as LRMs in my opinion are a balanced weapon as a whole, but the overuse of the LRMs make it really feeling like LRMs need more nerfing. Which as a weapon they don't. Those guys with their silly LRM100s and whatnot are really pushing it when my pugs start suiciding in a line.

However, LRMs aren't the only issue we've seen over and over and over. ECM, R&R, Laservomit, Dire Whales, Quirks, Urbies, maps (mordor and asspine), and moar that are repeated, are really quite over posted and we need to shorten the amount of the same stuff down in the forums. This means having official PGI set polls and others to take action and post big polls/threads on these ideas, cornering them to one side of the universe.

Now BEFORE anyone starts screaming at my face saying YOU ARE ******* WRONG like a drunk man would, I am only saying that we need to consider the Inner Sphere as a whole. Many agree that LRMs are OP and need nerfing, while many also agree that LRMs are UP and need buffing. Same goes for every other topic.

And unique posts stay unique as well. Does anyone agree that PGI should take action (and ourselves if PGI doesn't) by starting polls and questioning the entire community as a whole?

Or is the entirety of the community against this and we need moar LRM QQ/LRM UP threads?

Crud my hands are frozen lol.

Edited by luxebo, 17 November 2014 - 09:40 PM.

[FupDup]

Community polls would be cool, but I don't think they should be used as the sole metric for determining what change to make. They could perhaps be a tiebreaker or add evidence to one side, but they probably shouldn't be an instant-argument-win-hammer.

Also, for more representative results, having the poll linked to or integrated into the launcher/front end would help bring in moar voices.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Only if they code an in game poller and if they give out prizes (bribes) to vote in said polls.

FupDup, on 17 November 2014 - 09:42 PM, said:

Community polls would be cool, but I don't think they should be used as the sole metric for determining what change to make. They could perhaps be a tiebreaker or add evidence to one side, but they probably shouldn't be an instant-argument-win-hammer.

We've seen how well THAT works havent we?

3pv in 12 man only... that last thing that they pulled in like 24 hours...

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 17 November 2014 - 09:47 PM.

[Karl Marlow]

I think PGI should put on their daddy pants and make decisions instead of listening to a large group of players that have only subjective opinions to provide.

[RetroActive]

HAH! You think this community could agree on anything?

[Ano]

I respectfully disagree.

Game development is one of those things where too much democracy is a bad thing. Polls imply that the userbase can dictate the game design, which I think is wrong. PGI should be monitoring the forums for the hot topics (as I'm sure they do), but they should be cross-referencing that with metrics from in-game, and their own design plans to tweak those plans, not using the yes/no buttons on a forum poll as the new design guide.

I'm sure I won't agree with every decision PGI makes, but they should be the ones making them.

[luxebo]

FupDup, on 17 November 2014 - 09:42 PM, said:

Community polls would be cool, but I don't think they should be used as the sole metric for determining what change to make. They could perhaps be a tiebreaker or add evidence to one side, but they probably shouldn't be an instant-argument-win-hammer.

Also, for more representative results, having the poll linked to or integrated into the launcher/front end would help bring in moar voices.

You definitely do have a point, like in that game mode voting vs elo balance thingy where everyone voted for elo then realized what they voted for and raged for game modes back.

And the second, hence why I said place in announcements somehow and somewhere to make people want to click the button to vote for whatever side.

On the topic of prizes, maybe C-bills for voting or something alongside those lines. "Help PGI look at certain elements of the game to earn extra C-bills!" This will be a neat factor contributing to everyone who wants C-bills (you know you want em) to vote.

@ThomasMarik and @Ano:

PGI itself should be able to take it's role, but in many cases the company has proven that that isn't the most effective way (though maybe now they could be able to do it considering so far what has been happening for the better).

I don't want the polls to completely decide every factor (aka CW itself, faction balancing, etc) but there are things that have been there in balancing that PGI has proven over and over not being able to take care of the element in itself, which is extremely evident in ECM and weapons in general (LRMs, poptarts, etc).

Though indeed PGI should do it's own gameplay design over community choice, the latter should effect the development and creation of elements throughout the game and should be put as a consideration (like if a vast majority said LRMs are underused, then PGI should take a look to either buff/change LRMs into usage, or look at the game and play a few test runs with pugs or something to see if LRMs are there or not.)

Thanks for the comments all.

[saKhan Steiner Lawl Kerensky]

I want to see a poll on what weapons PGI should add since LRM, SRM, Lasers, Gauss, AC's are so hated and believed they should be nerfed by the vocal minority. I mean remove those... what's left. Flamers and MG's? But they'll complain about those too. As surely as the sun will rise, so will another post about how someone got their ass handed to them by a weapon, ergo, that weapon is OP'd and needs to be nerfed.

[El Bandito]

Personally, I'd rather listen to Koniving alone on the issue, than thousands of other forumers. Cause he knows about the game balance better than most.

Edited by El Bandito, 17 November 2014 - 10:52 PM.

[Xetelian]

Bring AMS and don't let anyone have a free LoS on you...

[PappySmurf]

Polls on this forum are pointless because the questions are done by PGI staff and behind the scenes player council fools and testers and only address game changes that PGI has already decided to implement or dump from game production.

The truth is your wasting your time. A lot that will respond to polls or topics on this forum are just forum warriors trying to impress there self's or pad there forum topic/post statistics.

[Abivard]

What a wonderful Idea, popularity Polls! Where a blithering idiot's vote carries as much weight as The most intelligent and wisest of persons Vote.

[Abivard]

Are these LRM 100 mech builds any relation to the 6 Gauss mech builds? or the 10 erppc builds?

I mean after all 5= LRM20's weigh 50 tons and take up 25 slots, if it was the Artemis LRM 100 that would be 55 tons and 30 slots.

The stalker 5M is the only mech that could mount 5 lrm20's, however even with the optimal engine and less than half of available armor it would not be able to equip even a single 1/2 ton of ammo.

If one was to run this build with ZERO armor, you could still only equip 8 tons of ammo. At 180 missiles a ton 8 tons makes 1440 missiles or a total of 14 volleys, or in other words about 70 seconds worth of continuous fire.

How do you counter people who believe such outrageous statements such as:

" Multiple LRM 100 mech builds are seen in every drop"

[Abivard]

Not to mention if that mech were to fire all 5 LRM20's at once they would overheat , shutdown and explode.

[The Boz]

Polls mean balance for the lowest, loudest common denominator. Now, while I'm not for balancing for the cream of the crop top pro esports league players, the other extreme is equally unappealing.

[El Bandito]

Through the power of polls, I was able to get the Grasshopper come out faster. If there were no polls, PGI most likely would have released the Black Knight first instead, simply due to its perceived popularity.

Edited by El Bandito, 17 November 2014 - 11:13 PM.

[STEF_]

El Bandito, on 17 November 2014 - 10:27 PM, said:

Personally, I'd rather listen to Koniving alone on the issue, than thousands of other forumers. Cause he knows about the game balance better than most.

This was a good thread about lrm in which Koniving took part.
Always interesting
http://mwomercs.com/...plish-anything/

edit, forgot the link.

Edited by Stefka Kerensky, 17 November 2014 - 11:16 PM.

[mike29tw]

ThomasMarik, on 17 November 2014 - 09:51 PM, said:

I think PGI should put on their daddy pants and make decisions instead of listening to a large group of players that have only subjective opinions to provide.

They did. And then 3PV and consumables happened.

We all know how great addition those are to the game.

[MikeBend]

Maybe let only Founders vote? They really saw a lot of ... that happened before in the game and i trust their opinion.

[Curccu]

RetroActive, on 17 November 2014 - 10:10 PM, said:

HAH! You think this community could agree on anything?

Well this community would not have to agree, just see which option wins?
but I'm not sure that this community knows what is the best option for this community