71 replies to this topic

[SJ MetalDeath]

why dose clan ac20 fire 4 shots and IS is single ?

I get that uac20 is 4 shots

[Gyrok]

Because Clans got pwned in the ballistics department.

(Seriously...PGI decided we did not need to be equal to IS in ballistics...so we got screwed)

[FupDup]

The Clan AC/20 and UAC/20 both fire 5 shells, not 4.

[Mister Blastman]

Balance. Clans were deemed incapable of having PPFLD. Well, more like... it'd be too powerful if they did. So Clans are deeps with spread and exposure while IS is run and gun, dodge and weave pinpoint.

[Mercules]

Because IS ACs are technically not supposed to be firing one big shells either. Instead of fixing that they decided to use it as a balancing factor for Clans who have lighter longer ranged weaponry.

[Moonlander]

Nothing more FUN than having IS AC20's, LBX10s, Dual/Quad AC5's being shot like AC2's...

[MeiSooHaityu]

Gyrok, on 02 December 2014 - 07:18 AM, said:

Because Clans got pwned in the ballistics department.

(Seriously...PGI decided we did not need to be equal to IS in ballistics...so we got screwed)

Right, that's what we needed...Dire whales with IS style ballistics loaded down with Ultras.

I'm glad the Clan has the ballistic style it does, but the do need to be buffed a bit. Keep the burst style, but tighten the burst a bit or increase the speed of the shells a bit.

I don't want high FLD Dire Wolves, but at the same time, I would like to have a ballistic item be a viable option for a clan mech.

[Brody319]

IS ACs by lore should be firing a stream of bullets like the Clans. I don't know if they were just limited by the engine at the time. They picked a rather difficult engine to use,

[Ultimax]

Mister Blastman, on 02 December 2014 - 07:18 AM, said:

Balance. Clans were deemed incapable of having PPFLD. Well, more like... it'd be too powerful if they did. So Clans are deeps with spread and exposure while IS is run and gun, dodge and weave pinpoint.

Balance shouldn't mean "so bad almost no one will use it".

That's not balance.


Why do UAC 20 pellets not fire faster (velocity) than giant 20 point rounds?

Bad design is bad.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 02 December 2014 - 07:29 AM.

[Mercules]

Brody319, on 02 December 2014 - 07:25 AM, said:

IS ACs by lore should be firing a stream of bullets like the Clans. I don't know if they were just limited by the engine at the time. They picked a rather difficult engine to use,

No, they were limited by, "This is how every OTHER Mechwarrior title erroneously interpreted the ACs, so we will do the same."

[Hillslam]

the clan version is the better method of delivering damage. spew FLD blather all you want, the clan mode is better because:

1 - It suppresses the target pilot (that shake and clatter in the receiving cockpit is incredibly distracting for most if not all players)
2 - It allows for aim adjustment. Missed when you pulled the trigger? Adjust your aim and you can still deliver 75%+ of your damage (its the same advantage lasers have)
3 - the velocities are WAAAY higher (less lead, less drop, less misses)

This is not to mention the clan weapons weigh alot less and take up fewer crits, allowing you to take more on a single chassis. Clan mechs can boat a sheer volume of weapons IS mechs cannot even remotely touch. This last point should never be forgotten or swept under the rug, and it keeps trying to be. Its a huge point.

So I laugh whenever I see clanners (or specifically Dire pilots) whinge about their ballistics. Just stop. If your gear sucked you wouldn't see dires and many other clan mechs absolutely boating ACs and melting face like they are doing every day.

[SJ MetalDeath]

I know they have to balance but clans are getting nerfed to death

[Yumemi79]

SJ MetalDeath, on 02 December 2014 - 07:17 AM, said:

why dose clan ac20 fire 4 shots and IS is single ?

I get that uac20 is 4 shots

Because Clan ones are 2 tons lighter and with Omnipods you can have more balistic slots than most IS mechs.

Dire Wolf with 4x AC20 pinpoint damage instantly? gg...

[Brody319]

Yumemi79, on 02 December 2014 - 07:35 AM, said:

Because Clan ones are 2 tons lighter and with Omnipods you can have more balistic slots than most IS mechs.

Dire Wolf with 4x AC20 pinpoint damage instantly? gg...

ghost heat popped your core, you killed 1 guy. gg
C-AC/20 6.00 26.40 64.80 124.80
C-ULTRA AC/20 7.00 30.80 75.60 145.60

Copied from smurfy.

you can't mount any extra heat sinks without stripping your mech of armor and even then you take up slots for ammo. Either way you are overheating after firing 3, and getting close to melting yourself. plus you overheat instantly, so if that enemy mech moves those pellets might miss.

Edited by Brody319, 02 December 2014 - 07:41 AM.

[Hillslam]

Pfffft. I have no problems with it. If you can't heat manage 4 ac20s then go back to IS and heat manage 1.
Or do what every other Dire pilot does and boat 4 ac10s or ac5s and only pump out double the damage..... I feel your pain, I really do.

SJ MetalDeath, on 02 December 2014 - 07:34 AM, said:

I know they have to balance but clans are getting nerfed to death

Except for the part where they continue to win matches 2 to 1 (64% clan wins vs 36% IS wins latest data after IS quirks)

Yeah clans were nerfed into the ground.... *rollseyes*

EDIT: Oh right, its the PILOTS who are better.... yeah

Edited by Hillslam, 02 December 2014 - 07:41 AM.

[Ultimax]

Hillslam, on 02 December 2014 - 07:33 AM, said:

the clan version is the better method of delivering damage.

Your premise is wrong and deserving of ridicule.

[Hillslam]

Actually no its spot on and calls BS to the whinging. And we both know it.

Sucks to be called on a lie doesnt it?

Edited by Hillslam, 02 December 2014 - 07:43 AM.

[SJ MetalDeath]

some of the clan mech are ****

[Hillslam]

SJ MetalDeath, on 02 December 2014 - 07:43 AM, said:

some of the clan mech are ****

Thats true. So are most of the IS mechs. Your point?

[C E Dwyer]

Brody319, on 02 December 2014 - 07:25 AM, said:

IS ACs by lore should be firing a stream of bullets like the Clans. I don't know if they were just limited by the engine at the time. They picked a rather difficult engine to use,

IS ac's all ways fired from the very begining damage to one location, regardless of the fluff in the comments section.

I don't think PGI deliberately chose the clans method to screw the community, in fact you can blame the community more as they were the ones banging on about how AC's should be a stream, and I susect pgi said we'll do it the way to community want for clans and it makes their ac different..

lo and behold, the community got what it wanted and then bleated about it not being fair