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[Lefty Lucy]

Gauss rifles are a ton of fun to use. The charge mechanic sets them apart from other ballistic weapons, they do great damage, and they require excellent tactical sense and situational awareness to use well.

IMO it's the perfect balance of powerful/difficult to use without being totally OP once a player gets the mechanic down.

[Brody319]

Ac20s are funner.

[Shae Starfyre]

Two CGauss and 2 CLPL on the Dire with both Cool Down Modules, have almost the same exact cool down, and the Guass is charged when the last pulse is firing.

And interesting guage to work off of.

[MountainCopper]

Has to be meant sarcastically... I mean, simply has to be. You wouldn't call the Gauss Rifle a balanced weapon. Not with a charge mechanic which is simply worked around, and the projectiles being instant-hit shots.

And double Gauss...


EDIT:
I only really have an objection against "double Gauss". That is nowhere near of being balanced.

Edited by GoldenFleece, 04 December 2014 - 05:46 AM.

[Lefty Lucy]

GoldenFleece, on 03 December 2014 - 10:43 AM, said:

Has to be meant sarcastically... I mean, simply has to be. You wouldn't call the Gauss Rifle a balanced weapon. Not with a charge mechanic which is simply worked around, and the projectiles being instant-hit shots.

And double Gauss...

You don't think that mechs that sacrifice the tonnage to use double gauss rifles should be deadly? They're the heaviest weapon for both IS and Clan.

I think the Clan version could use some sort of a nerf to make up for the fact that it's 3 tons lighter, but with clans generally dedicating more weight to engines it tends to balance out except on dire wolves.

[Dawnstealer]

Brody319, on 03 December 2014 - 10:21 AM, said:

Ac20s are funner.

They're more funnerest, for sure.

[Athena Pryde]

Gaus Rifle really should have a longer recycle time something on the order of 6+ seconds maybe even 7 or 8 and no gaus bow mechanic. I got used to it but it feels like I'm playing Skyrim with the Gaus Bow. I recall in other mech warrior games the Gaus had a fairly long cycle time of like 7 seconds.

[Asrrin]

Gauss are in a very good spot right now. The low hitpoints, charge mechanic, recharge time, and tendency to go explodey if you sneeze on them take them out of the hands of brawlers and into the hands of snipers where they should be, and give them an excellent counter-play.

To even consider a dual Gauss build you have to have an XL engine, and sacrifice most or all of your tonnage and critslots to it, which is a fair trade off for the pinpoint you get.

[Lefty Lucy]

Athena Pryde, on 03 December 2014 - 10:48 AM, said:

Gaus Rifle really should have a longer recycle time something on the order of 6+ seconds maybe even 7 or 8 and no gaus bow mechanic. I got used to it but it feels like I'm playing Skyrim with the Gaus Bow. I recall in other mech warrior games the Gaus had a fairly long cycle time of like 7 seconds.

It's already low DPS for its weight, which is made up for because of its range, projectile speed, pin-point damage, and low heat. The charge mechanic just makes it fun, because you have to think, "I'm rounding this corner into a possible enemy position: when should I start charging?"

[MountainCopper]

Lefty Lucy, on 03 December 2014 - 10:45 AM, said:

You don't think that mechs that sacrifice the tonnage to use double gauss rifles should be deadly? They're the heaviest weapon for both IS and Clan.

The fact that you can hit one single location for 30 points of damage at the range and projectile speed the Gauss Rifle has, is not right in terms of balance. It simply isn't.

[Kirkland Langue]

Personally, I don't like using the charge up mechanic.

.... BUT... I actually like that it exists in the game. It Does make the weapon feel unique and while I might not like it - there are probably people out there who feel the weapon does feel more natural. There is no reason that I have to enjoy using every weapon in the game, but it's probably a good thing for the game to include a variety of unique weapons.

[Summon3r]

Lefty Lucy, on 03 December 2014 - 10:45 AM, said:

You don't think that mechs that sacrifice the tonnage to use double gauss rifles should be deadly? They're the heaviest weapon for both IS and Clan.

I think the Clan version could use some sort of a nerf to make up for the fact that it's 3 tons lighter, but with clans generally dedicating more weight to engines it tends to balance out except on dire wolves.

cant take this thread seriously at all with another mention of "nerf clan" .... good lord our only pinpoint dmg weapon and you think it needs nerfing..... lol? btw clan erppc up to 15 dmg straight on with longer recycle and a bit more heat please and thanks.

[Lefty Lucy]

Summon3r, on 03 December 2014 - 11:07 AM, said:

cant take this thread seriously at all with another mention of "nerf clan" .... good lord our only pinpoint dmg weapon and you think it needs nerfing..... lol? btw clan erppc up to 15 dmg straight on with longer recycle and a bit more heat please and thanks.

Sorry you're so sensitive to the concept of game balance. I guess I shouldn't mention things like that because Clan Wolf doesn't fight well without better equipment.

[Mechteric]

Personally I think to balance dual gauss they should only allow one gauss to charge at a time.

But then to make only one gauss better they should slightly decrease charge up time, and increase charge hold time.

[FupDup]

Speaking of Gauss adjustments, I'd prefer for them to adjust attributes other than their lethality/DPS/whatever assuming we keep the charge-up mechanic.

Something like this maybe:

Clan Gauss
Increase explosion chance up to 100%

IS Gauss
Increase health to somewhere around 7.25
Perhaps reduce explosion chance to somewhere around 75%?
Reduce explosion damage to 15?


The reason being that their lethality/combat power seems just about fine for the most part, for both factions.

[Joe Mallad]

I say get rid of the stupid charge mechanic and just give them a 5 or 6 second recharge time before they can be fired again.

[WarHippy]

Lefty Lucy, on 03 December 2014 - 10:20 AM, said:

Gauss rifles are a ton of fun to use. The charge mechanic sets them apart from other ballistic weapons, they do great damage, and they require excellent tactical sense and situational awareness to use well.

IMO it's the perfect balance of powerful/difficult to use without being totally OP once a player gets the mechanic down.

I respectfully disagree. They are easy enough to use, but fun is not a way I would describe them. Personally I find the mechanic silly if not completely pointless. When used as a single weapon they generally feel completely out of place and inferior to most other weapons because of the mechanic, but they really shine when used as a pair.

[Lefty Lucy]

FupDup, on 03 December 2014 - 11:11 AM, said:

Speaking of Gauss adjustments, I'd prefer for them to adjust attributes other than their lethality/DPS/whatever assuming we keep the charge-up mechanic.

Something like this maybe:

Clan Gauss
Increase explosion chance up to 100%

IS Gauss
Increase health to somewhere around 7.25
Perhaps reduce explosion chance to somewhere around 75%?
Reduce explosion damage to 15?


The reason being that their lethality/combat power seems just about fine for the most part, for both factions.

I was thinking a slight charge-hold-time debuff on the CGauss, but your idea is probably better. It makes sense that the weapon that weighs more would be more durable.

WarHippy, on 03 December 2014 - 11:12 AM, said:

I respectfully disagree. They are easy enough to use, but fun is not a way I would describe them. Personally I find the mechanic silly if not completely pointless. When used as a single weapon they generally feel completely out of place and inferior to most other weapons because of the mechanic, but they really shine when used as a pair.

I've been putting up 3-4 kill rounds with 700 damage in my single gauss stormcrow.

[Mystere]

Lefty Lucy, on 03 December 2014 - 11:14 AM, said:

I was thinking a slight charge-hold-time debuff on the CGauss, but your idea is probably better. It makes sense that the weapon that weighs more would be more durable.

Alternatively, they could weigh more because they use crappy heavy components.

Think big and heavy vaccum tubes vs. tiny military-grade quantum-computing chips.

Edited by Mystere, 03 December 2014 - 11:24 AM.

[Praehotec8]

Lefty Lucy, on 03 December 2014 - 10:45 AM, said:

You don't think that mechs that sacrifice the tonnage to use double gauss rifles should be deadly? They're the heaviest weapon for both IS and Clan.

I think the Clan version could use some sort of a nerf to make up for the fact that it's 3 tons lighter, but with clans generally dedicating more weight to engines it tends to balance out except on dire wolves.

I disagree that the dire wolf needs changing. It absolutely is powerful , but:

1.) The clans actually only have a few viable mechs. Leave the ones that work alone. They aren't really much better than the best IS mechs.

2.) The dire wolf absolutely can lay down the firepower, but it also has notable limitations and demands an escort to remain effective against smaller, faster mechs that can flank it.

All that being said, I do also enjoy the charging mechanic for the gauss rifle. It makes it harder to use, but is oddly enough very entertaining to use. I DO wish it held the charge for just a second longer though.