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[Koniving]

TheMadTypist, on 05 December 2014 - 03:31 PM, said:

Also- King Crab and Gargoyle released on the same day- can you say 91% assault queue?

99% assault queue!

[Metus regem]

Moonlander, on 05 December 2014 - 03:29 PM, said:

There's just far too much rush potential for it not to be good when pushing with a Timber or SCR, etc. Even if it can't hold as much as a Dire Wolf, it's a 90kph 80ton assault mech. What it may "lack" in firepower, it has armor and speed. There has to be a trade-off and that's what I think people don't consider. It's going to be brutal and you're not going to get away from it that easily.

And that is my point, a lot of pilots do not seem to be able to look at the big picture, and that is a shame. Right along with the habbit of calling mech's DOA with out actually spending any time with them. Every mech has a use, you just have to understand that mech. On top of that, not everyone is cut out to be able to pilot every mech... For me, that seems to be my Storm Crows, we do not get along well with each other...

[Moonlander]

I feel like they're reading this thread... but they're just going to make us wait... which is mean! (((

[Lefty Lucy]

Moonlander, on 05 December 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:

Except the HBR was DOA and look at it now.

People were frothing at the mouth for an ECM heavy with decent pod space. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that a large majority of forum posters were calling HBR "DOA."

[Bishop Steiner]

DONTOR, on 05 December 2014 - 03:18 PM, said:

Seconded, lol.


The opposite would be more accurate.

there is irony to that

[Mcgral18]

Lefty Lucy, on 05 December 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

People were frothing at the mouth for an ECM heavy with decent pod space. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that a large majority of forum posters were calling HBR "DOA."

I think he means CoreBringer.

Kinda different situation, though.
That was a heavy mech with adequate pod space, but broken hitboxes. This is an assault mech with similar pod space, which is a little lacking (3 more DHS than the Loki, 3.5 less tons of pod space).

We can hope it isn't oversized, has decent hitboxes and that the CT hardpoints are high mounted.

[Zordicron]

Nothing anyone has brought up in this thread matters.

Hitbox design. That matters, it's going to be the only thing that matters on this mech.



Until we know about that, who gives a ****. Theory craft and debate in circles until you are all butthurt about loadouts etc, it is irrelevant until we get to play it and see if it is 70% CT or not.

[Ultimax]

Mcgral18, on 05 December 2014 - 02:50 PM, said:

Not exactly pretty...but at least has 8 hardpoints. Summoner level pod space, without the JJs.

Lazors will be key to this inferior to the 75 tonner mech. Only boon is the fact it can be taken in conjunction with it in PUGs, to allow for a fast as heck laser deathstar team.

It can boat more Pulse Lasers than the Timby, so I guess it has that going for it.

Mcgral18, on 05 December 2014 - 03:55 PM, said:

I think he means CoreBringer.

Kinda different situation, though.
That was a heavy mech with adequate pod space, but broken hitboxes. This is an assault mech with similar pod space, which is a little lacking (3 more DHS than the Loki, 3.5 less tons of pod space).

We can hope it isn't oversized, has decent hitboxes and that the CT hardpoints are high mounted.

This mech will be made or broken by it's hitboxes.


Otherwise it is going to have slightly better cooling than a Stormcrow - with roughly equivalent firepower, and probably a much, much, larger profile.


Luckily the Stormcrow is good - but honestly that's a sad place to be for an 80 ton mech.



It'll likely be better than the Summoner, not that that's difficult to accomplish, the Hellbringer accomplished it with ease and it's 5 tons lower, also with no endo and no ferro and can't even jump!

[Deathlike]

Lefty Lucy, on 05 December 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

People were frothing at the mouth for an ECM heavy with decent pod space. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that a large majority of forum posters were calling HBR "DOA."

TBH, I think the initial consensus was that it would be OP because "ECM Heavy" makes the intelligent player knows the implications of ECM (as long as the fundamental behavior of ECM doesn't change) and the impact it has in combat.

The Godbringer does its job too well.

[Ultimax]

Deathlike, on 05 December 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:

TBH, I think the initial consensus was that it would be OP because "ECM Heavy" makes the intelligent player knows the implications of ECM (as long as the fundamental behavior of ECM doesn't change) and the impact it has in combat.

The Godbringer does its job too well.

The truth about the HBR is that ECM is just a nice finishing touch.

The strength of the HBR is in it's overall hardpoints, ability to run a solid asymmetrical build and some fantastically placed high ballistic & energy mounts.

The HBR would be a very good mech even without ECM.


Obviously, I'd love the added tonnage Endo would bring - however not having endo (or locked JJs) makes the HBR one of a small handful of clan mechs that can make full use of it's CT & Leg slots.

Which comes in handy for DHS for those asymmetrical builds, as when you lose your shield side you likely still have most or all of the external DHS you slotted.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 05 December 2014 - 04:33 PM.

[Mitsuragi]

Roadkill, on 05 December 2014 - 02:57 PM, said:

Wubgoyle? Garwub?

No... gotta go IS with this one... I dub thee: MAN-O-WUB!

I think you mean: WUB-O-WAR!

[Brody319]

Mitsuragi, on 05 December 2014 - 04:32 PM, said:

I think you mean: WUB-O-WAR!

WUB-WUB-WUB?!

[LT. HARDCASE]

Did you guys see Russ on Twitter, saying he personally audited the hitboxes of the KGC and Gargoyle?

So we know who to bombard with rage if they come out messed up.

[SgtMagor]

Kevjack, on 05 December 2014 - 04:35 PM, said:

Did you guys see Russ on Twitter, saying he personally audited the hitboxes of the KGC and Gargoyle?

So we know who to bombard with rage if they come out messed up.

Russ gonna pull a sneak premiere Friday, release the mechs early like the Hellbringer?

[Deathlike]

Ultimatum X, on 05 December 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

The truth about the HBR is that ECM is just a nice finishing touch.

The strength of the HBR is in it's overall hardpoints, ability to run a solid asymmetrical build and some fantastically placed high ballistic & energy mounts.

The HBR would be a very good mech even without ECM.


Obviously, I'd love the added tonnage Endo would bring - however not having endo (or locked JJs) makes the HBR one of a small handful of clan mechs that can make full use of it's CT & Leg slots.

Which comes in handy for DHS for those asymmetrical builds, as when you lose your shield side you likely still have most or all of the external DHS you slotted.

I think the mech w/o ECM would be average or above average... ECM with offensive firepower AND mobility (the Atlas isn't as mobile, let's not kid ourselves) AND can take a hit or two... that's the difference.

While I internally complain on the lack of Endo or FF, having DHS on the legs is a bonus (bog is like all water when you're not trying to get height) and it is one of those times when you scratch your head (more like putting your hands up in disgust) on something like the Mist Lynx where the legs won't allow for that.

SgtMagor, on 05 December 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

Russ gonna pull a sneak premiere Friday, release the mechs early like the Hellbringer?

Probably not. The Hellbringer release happened early because they screwed up on the double XP functionality.

Edited by Deathlike, 05 December 2014 - 04:42 PM.

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Lexx, on 05 December 2014 - 02:01 PM, said:

The Gargoyle will be under gunned, but it will have enough speed to keep up with Mad Cats and Lokis. The mech won't get left behind to fend on it's own half the time like the Daishi does.

It really isn't under gunned. Realistically it will mount about the same exact tonnage in weapons as a Hellbringer. You got to keep in mind that it has 3 more fixed DHS so that is 3 tons of DHS you don't have to add compared to a Hellbringer, then there is still 20-21 tons left over.

Then you have to consider it is going to have a hell of alot more armor without the protruding chest which means it should be able to torso twist defensively much better than the Hellbringer. Also ECM is more of a gimick on the Hellbringer at least in my experience because despite not being targetable, your still rather large and noticeable.

Anyway, Gargoyle should be pretty decent and depending on hitboxes and how good it can defensively twist, it might rival a T-wolf (though I am not expecting it to be quite that good hehe).

Lefty Lucy, on 05 December 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

People were frothing at the mouth for an ECM heavy with decent pod space. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that a large majority of forum posters were calling HBR "DOA."

It was DOA for about 3 days due the the massively screwed up CT hitboxes. Really the mech was almost unplayable at that point so even I was screaming DOA on day one. Now though, it is a pretty solid mech. Not quite T-Wiolf caliber but good nonetheless.

Ultimatum X, on 05 December 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

The truth about the HBR is that ECM is just a nice finishing touch.

The strength of the HBR is in it's overall hardpoints, ability to run a solid asymmetrical build and some fantastically placed high ballistic & energy mounts.

The HBR would be a very good mech even without ECM.


Obviously, I'd love the added tonnage Endo would bring - however not having endo (or locked JJs) makes the HBR one of a small handful of clan mechs that can make full use of it's CT & Leg slots.

Which comes in handy for DHS for those asymmetrical builds, as when you lose your shield side you likely still have most or all of the external DHS you slotted.

Agree. ECM as I mentioned above, is kind of a gimick and really does very little for the survivability of this mech. I won't deny it cuts down on LRMs but the enemy has no trouble visually spotting a Hellbringer and bringing it under direct fire. Also the ECM makes you a priority target so you will always be the first thing the enemy tries to take down.

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The strength of the HBR is in it's overall hardpoints, ability to run a solid asymmetrical build and some fantastically placed high ballistic & energy mounts.

The HBR would be a very good mech even without ECM.

This is spot on. This is why the Hellbringer is good. I run some crazy builds on it but for some odd reason it just works very well on a Hellbringer and that is 100% due to the hard points and their location.

I also agree that I would love to add at least endo. 3 extra tons of space would open this bad boy up to some amazing builds but I can leave with it as is.

Edited by Viktor Drake, 05 December 2014 - 05:24 PM.

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Viktor Drake, on 05 December 2014 - 05:16 PM, said:

I also agree that I would love to add at least endo. 3 extra tons of space would open this bad boy up to some amazing builds but I can leave with it as is.

Yeah, I'd sell my soul for that three tons.......strip the arms and run 2 x PPC 1 x GAUSS with ECM all in the torsos.

Edited by Kain Thul, 05 December 2014 - 05:31 PM.

[LT. HARDCASE]

One of my top 5 favorite mechs. I will make him work, somehow or some way.

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90kph 80 ton assault.


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Why Russ? WHY?

But i think i will love this mech. I mean this is pretty much a hardcore mode:)