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[Jin Ma]

Vs. Similar body types


Vs. other 80 tonners


I think its safe to say gargoyle is quite a bit large
If the Gladiator uses the same legs as the gargoyle it may very well be larger than the atlas.

Edited by Jin Ma, 10 December 2014 - 02:40 AM.

[FupDup]

It's pretty epic that the Gargles uses the "Huge" movement archetype when it's supposed to be a very fast 80 ton assault with the firepower of a low-end heavy, while the King Crab has the "Large" movement archetype when it's supposed to be a very slow 100 ton assault with a Metric Fuckton of firepower.

Edited by FupDup, 09 December 2014 - 07:28 PM.

[Deathlike]

FupDup, on 09 December 2014 - 07:28 PM, said:

It's pretty epic that the Gargles uses the "Huge" movement archetype when it's supposed to be a very fast 80 ton assault with the firepower of a low-end heavy, while the King Crab has the "Large" movement archetype when it's supposed to be a very slow 100 ton assault with a Metric Fuckton of firepower.

It's an "Agile" mech that ate Hostess Twinkies.

[Jin Ma]

Deathlike, on 09 December 2014 - 07:30 PM, said:

It's an "Agile" mech that ate Hostess Twinkies.

Fatgile

[Aresye]

FupDup, on 09 December 2014 - 07:28 PM, said:

It's pretty epic that the Gargles uses the "Huge" movement archetype when it's supposed to be a very fast 80 ton assault with the firepower of a low-end heavy, while the King Crab has the "Large" movement archetype when it's supposed to be a very slow 100 ton assault with a Metric Fuckton of firepower.

All the movement archetype really impacts is the ability to climb hills.

So in other words, the Gargoyle's going to get stuck on pebbles easier.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Jin Ma, on 09 December 2014 - 07:26 PM, said:

Vs. Similar body types


Vs. other 80 tonners


I think its safe to say gargoyle is quite a bit larger than it should be.
If the Gladiator uses the same legs as the gargoyle its going to be larger than the atlas.

Those 2 mechs are tall as ****...like 15m or something crazy. Warhawk and DireWhale are only like 12 or 13...

[FupDup]

Aresye, on 09 December 2014 - 08:04 PM, said:

All the movement archetype really impacts is the ability to climb hills.

So in other words, the Gargoyle's going to get stuck on pebbles easier.

Which is backwards, since the mech's whole point is to be abnormally agile for an assault. The Garg has no reason to have the same archetype as mechs like the Dire Whale, and one could argue that the Crab should be listed as "huge" for fairly the opposite reason.

[Jin Ma]

FupDup, on 09 December 2014 - 08:07 PM, said:

Which is backwards, since the mech's whole point is to be abnormally agile for an assault. The Garg has no reason to have the same archetype as mechs like the Dire Whale, and one could argue that the Crab should be listed as "huge" for fairly the opposite reason.

though KG does have a pretty low center of gravity. Maybe they both need to be large

[FupDup]

Jin Ma, on 09 December 2014 - 08:19 PM, said:

though KG does have a pretty low center of gravity. Maybe they both need to be large

I'm basing it off of their stats such as firepower and armor, not their hypothetical physics properties.

[Aresye]

FupDup, on 09 December 2014 - 08:07 PM, said:

Which is backwards, since the mech's whole point is to be abnormally agile for an assault. The Garg has no reason to have the same archetype as mechs like the Dire Whale, and one could argue that the Crab should be listed as "huge" for fairly the opposite reason.

Yeah I completely agree.

Plus, from a physics standpoint, why would a chicken-leg mech be able to climb hills better than a humanoid?

[Deathlike]

Jin Ma, on 09 December 2014 - 07:39 PM, said:

Fatgile

More like Lardgoyle.

[Alistair Winter]

I'm really struggling to understand it. At this point, can it really be happening by accident? Did they look at the finished product and say "Oh damn, we made a mech 20% too big again"?

Maybe PGI thinks that bigger mechs will sell more, because they look more intimidating. Maybe they wanted it to look like a real badass assault mech. Or maybe they were afraid it would be too powerful if it was smaller.

I really can't make sense of it.

[Sagamore]

Alistair Winter, on 10 December 2014 - 01:46 AM, said:

I'm really struggling to understand it. At this point, can it really be happening by accident? Did they look at the finished product and say "Oh damn, we made a mech 20% too big again"?

Maybe PGI thinks that bigger mechs will sell more, because they look more intimidating. Maybe they wanted it to look like a real badass assault mech. Or maybe they were afraid it would be too powerful if it was smaller.

I really can't make sense of it.

The Quickdraw is very intimidating.

[Deathlike]

Just for my reference, I don't know why my profile is linked in the OP...

[The Boz]

I was puzzled as well...
Also, http://ecogamer.co.u...rison/index.php (still no Garg or Crab, but for other mechs it is useful)

[Jin Ma]

Deathlike, on 10 December 2014 - 02:03 AM, said:

Just for my reference, I don't know why my profile is linked in the OP...

well thats odd

[Tennex]

Gargoyle is way too big.. What are they going to do with the Gladiator.. if its smaller cousin is already as big as an atlas

[Angel of Annihilation]

FupDup, on 09 December 2014 - 07:28 PM, said:

It's pretty epic that the Gargles uses the "Huge" movement archetype when it's supposed to be a very fast 80 ton assault with the firepower of a low-end heavy, while the King Crab has the "Large" movement archetype when it's supposed to be a very slow 100 ton assault with a Metric Fuckton of firepower.

Yeah I was shocked it used the Huge movement archetype myself.

One thing I will say though is the Gargoyle is a very thin mech so yeah its is tall but it is also quite a bit more narrow so I am not 100% sure the scale is that far off.

[Jin Ma]

Viktor Drake, on 10 December 2014 - 06:01 PM, said:

Yeah I was shocked it used the Huge movement archetype myself.

One thing I will say though is the Gargoyle is a very thin mech so yeah its is tall but it is also quite a bit more narrow so I am not 100% sure the scale is that far off.

I would guess its maybe the scale of a 90-95 tonner with how big it is now.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

It's an assault mech what did you expect. Drop a jet engine into a Winnebago and you get a fast Winnebago. Besides you will appreciate the huge movement mode when physicals return, and it is "dragon bowling" everything.