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[Skadi]

Wow... if this isnt a biased poll idk what is...
ofc llama is going to win

[Badfinger]

"MEH"

[Vulpesveritas]

Catamount, on 01 July 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

I'm with the poster two up; Over 40 species of felids (exact number depending on who you ask), and you couldn't come up with one feline option?

Or at the very least, we can take the fox option if we're going to go down the inferior canid lineage

Inferior?

... Now if you're talking of the cannis line, sure they are inferior, but vulpines are far more superior than their simple cannis cousins or lowly felids.

[Catamount]

Vulpesveritas, on 01 July 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

Inferior?

... Now if you're talking of the cannis line, sure they are inferior, but vulpines are far more superior than their simple cannis cousins or lowly felids.

Do you know why no one ever uses the expression "clever like a cat"? It's because cats don't strut around advertising their cunning like foxes so that everyone knows to watch out for it.

They're smart enough to lay low until no one expects them. Even humans know well enough not to get in the way of a well-armed feline... which is precisely why they never see them coming


Fortunately for the rest of the world, cats are very reasonable negotiators as well, and don't always have to be hostile Cats took very well to semi-domestication, perhaps retaining the distinction of being the only domesticated animal that humans have never actually managed to tame, and with the exception of leopards, most of the bigger ones either leave humans alone, or can even be downright amicable, if we're counting cheetas (not members of Panthera, but "big cats" as much as any to be sure), which were used as hunting animals for over 1000 years for those with the resources to obtain them (see? even the humans see the superiority over dogs ).


The moral of the story is that felines can be very reasonable, and you should be glad, because no one, including foxes, want to be anywhere near their **** list

Edited by Catamount, 01 July 2012 - 09:40 PM.

[Vulpesveritas]

Catamount, on 01 July 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

Do you know why no one ever uses the expression "clever like a cat"? It's because cats don't strut around advertising their cunning like foxes so that everyone knows to watch out for it.

They're smart enough to lay low until no one expects them. Even humans know well enough not to get in the way of a well-armed feline... which is precisely why they never see them coming


Fortunately for the rest of the world, cats are very reasonable negotiators as well, and don't always have to be hostile Cats took very well to semi-domestication, perhaps retaining the distinction of being the only domesticated animal that humans have never actually managed to tame, and with the exception of leopards, most of the bigger ones either leave humans alone, or can even be downright amicable, if we're counting cheetas (not members of Panthera, but "big cats" as much as any to be sure), which were used as hunting animals for over 1000 years for those with the resources to obtain them (see? even the humans see the superiority over dogs ).


The moral of the story is that felines can be very reasonable, and you should be glad, because no one, including foxes, want to be anywhere near their **** list

Actually the reason that people don't use that expression, is that cat's can't beat a fox in cunning. You see, the main thing is that people remember the top specie which falls within an saying's capacity more than what are second or third down the line. Foxes don't tend to advertise their cunning on their own, unless they're an egotistical individual, which happens within every specie. Humans recognize a number of things in foxes, though they rarely understand them as much as they would like.

Foxes have several advantages over felines in general, not only being more intelligent on average, but also being more adaptable to locations, being the most successful mammalian species other than **** sapiens, thriving in the wild on every continent save for Antartica, and they managed to get there without the aid of **** sapiens. Foxes also have a more complicated social structure, with skulks being a varying phenomenon depending on more the individuals of a group than location or specie, and communication taking place largely though complex scent and vocal based communication. Wherein foxes not only can produce a wider variety of scents than felids, but also a wider variety of vocalizations, which they are known to use.

When it comes to being on a list you don't want to be on, don't forget the far eastern legends of a fox, which portray some fox spirits to be quite a bit more powerful than any cat spirits in other mythology, albeit they tend to seek amusement most of the time. At the same time, foxes do tend to be vengeful, and even in nature, it is a common place practice for a farmer to hunt down a male fox before driving away / hunting / killing a vixen and her kits, as tods/reynards (take your pick of a phrase for a male fox) are known to go on a killing spree on wildlife and livestock after the death of their mate.

As far as domestication, much the same story, though humans haven't been really successful in domesticating foxes save in that messed up Russian experiment thing, though foxes have been kept as faithful companions for a good amount of history.

The moral of this story: it's worse to be on a fox's bad side.

[Aegic]

Bunnies are awesome, that is all.

[Rychard Starheart]

err, *** are yall taking about foxes and cats for? this some furry wack-a-doodle thing?

[Catamount]

Vulpesveritas, on 01 July 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

Actually the reason that people don't use that expression, is that cat's can't beat a fox in cunning.

Sure, just keep thinking that. That's the whole point. Just don't say I didn't warn you

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Foxes have several advantages over felines in general, not only being more intelligent on average, but also being more adaptable to locations, being the most successful mammalian species other than **** sapiens, thriving in the wild on every continent save for Antartica, and they managed to get there without the aid of **** sapiens.

Foxes are native to the same continents as felines, which is to say every notably inhabited continent, except Australia. Like cats, they're an introduced species to that continent. Actually, the two inhabit more or less all the same environments, save one.

I'm not aware of a single true fox that inhabits altitudes as high as the snow leopard (just shy of 7,000m); oh, sure, the Tibetan sand fox comes close... but doesn't quite make the cut

Also... Iberian lynx eat red foxes ... on the other hand... those eat house cats- CURSES!

Rychard Starheart, on 02 July 2012 - 04:03 AM, said:

err, *** are yall taking about foxes and cats for? this some furry wack-a-doodle thing?

Yep, that's completely it. When the talk is on ponies and llamas, it's just your average, normal mechwarrior, but as soon as it turns towards Carnivora (in other words, 99% of all the cool animals), it means we're donning the fur suits.

I'm also a third year ecology student, with almost exclusive focus on animals, but that couldn't have anything to do with it

Edited by Catamount, 02 July 2012 - 07:55 AM.

[Bluey]

Vulpesveritas, on 01 July 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

Actually the reason that people don't use that expression, is that cat's can't beat a fox in cunning. You see, the main thing is that people remember the top specie which falls within an saying's capacity more than what are second or third down the line. Foxes don't tend to advertise their cunning on their own, unless they're an egotistical individual, which happens within every specie. Humans recognize a number of things in foxes, though they rarely understand them as much as they would like.

Foxes have several advantages over felines in general, not only being more intelligent on average, but also being more adaptable to locations, being the most successful mammalian species other than **** sapiens, thriving in the wild on every continent save for Antartica, and they managed to get there without the aid of **** sapiens. Foxes also have a more complicated social structure, with skulks being a varying phenomenon depending on more the individuals of a group than location or specie, and communication taking place largely though complex scent and vocal based communication. Wherein foxes not only can produce a wider variety of scents than felids, but also a wider variety of vocalizations, which they are known to use.

When it comes to being on a list you don't want to be on, don't forget the far eastern legends of a fox, which portray some fox spirits to be quite a bit more powerful than any cat spirits in other mythology, albeit they tend to seek amusement most of the time. At the same time, foxes do tend to be vengeful, and even in nature, it is a common place practice for a farmer to hunt down a male fox before driving away / hunting / killing a vixen and her kits, as tods/reynards (take your pick of a phrase for a male fox) are known to go on a killing spree on wildlife and livestock after the death of their mate.

As far as domestication, much the same story, though humans haven't been really successful in domesticating foxes save in that messed up Russian experiment thing, though foxes have been kept as faithful companions for a good amount of history.

The moral of this story: it's worse to be on a fox's bad side.

Wolves are superiour not just that they are called magestic by many teenage fan girls ^^

Edited by Bluey, 02 July 2012 - 08:01 AM.

[Turbo]

Please god, no more stupid pony stuff, why grown men feel the need to play with little girls toys i will never understand. The other choices are extremely inferior too. Wolves, foxes, any of the big cats, sharks, hell a normal dog would be better than those 4 choices.

[Vulpesveritas]

@cat, touche on the altitude bit, however i don't know of a feline specie with ranges as far noth of the artic circle as the artic fox. (Which genetically should be a member of the true foxes.), nor a feline individual specie with a natural range as Vulpes Vulpes l.

@bluey, foxes get large numbers of fanboys and fangirls.

[Catamount]

Vulpesveritas, on 02 July 2012 - 08:29 AM, said:

@cat, touche on the altitude bit, however i don't know of a feline specie with ranges as far noth of the artic circle as the artic fox. (Which genetically should be a member of the true foxes.), nor a feline individual specie with a natural range as Vulpes Vulpes l.

Hmm, it would seem what foxes slightly lack in altitude, they slightly make up for in latitude; no clear winner there.

I would concede that the red fox has a substantially larger range than any feline (or almost any single species of animal), but the reason is that cats have adapted in a more fine tuned manner; they needn't colonize that way, because they've simply morphed into slightly different species, the result being that there's 3-4 times as many cat species to work with in the first place. Why move into a range and occupy a single niche when you can change slightly, occupy it better, and then radiate out to several species and occupy it several times over?


In those variations come the fastest land animal, what is basically the strongest pound-for-pound bodily design outside of the insect world and perhaps tied by a few very close relatives (scaled up and down broadly), more brands of more effective camouflage that you'll find in arguable any other mammalian family, some of the most adept swimmers, climbers, jumpers and runners all at once (so much so, that some species actually prey on birds as they take off, catching them right out of the air before they gain sufficient altitude), and they're monstrously prolific breeders. As mentioned, that basic design has been fine tuned so well, that you even have multiple cat species living in most ranges, taking up tons of niches, without actually changing much. Much of that is simply because they vastly out-arm their canine cousins. What requires an entire wolf pack to achieve on that side, a single puma can do with its claws. Some single species may occupy larger territories, but certainly not competitively, and almost no family of carnivorous mammals occupies the sheer ecological range of cats, which go from 2kg nothings up to 200kg monsters. Even the whole of Canidae can't match that range of adaptation from a single basic design.

The point is that these things would be the stuff of nightmares if they were dumb as logs. That they've been smart enough to even set up elaborate traps for humans (in cases with lions)...

Underestimating felines is one of the quickest ways to disprove one's cunning

Edited by Catamount, 02 July 2012 - 10:26 AM.

[Rychard Starheart]

Catamount, on 02 July 2012 - 07:54 AM, said:

Yep, that's completely it. When the talk is on ponies and llamas, it's just your average, normal mechwarrior, but as soon as it turns towards Carnivora (in other words, 99% of all the cool animals), it means we're donning the fur suits.

I'm also a third year ecology student, with almost exclusive focus on animals, but that couldn't have anything to do with it

oooookkkkkeeeeyyyy then..... here I thought this was joking about a Mascot. me and my old timey thinkin.

ill just be... uh... check please?

[Vulpesveritas]

@cat:
yet at the same time this further shows the point of the superior adaptability, intelligence, and cunning of the fox. The better predator is not necessarily the one able to take down larger game. Consider this; the red fox not only stores food, butbut also eats a wider variety of food, taking advantage of many plants when in season. Often having excess supplies of food, not only aids in the survival of the individual, but aids the raising of young, and means that more time can be devoted to activities such as play, which is notable even in adult foxes. Furthermore they are able to thrive wild in amongst human settlements, and excell at coexistence. All within a single specie which os able to adapt exceptionally to various environments without branching out. And rather than hunting risky prey which tak large amounts of energy to take down like the big cats, or h ghh specializing only on predation and a small number of species like the small cats, foxes are able tovthrive quite a bit more effectively.

And its less underestating, more of a difference in idiology.

[BFett]

Please take the Dog verse Cat debate somewhere else as both animals are not relevant to this topic. Thank You.


July 2, 2012 2:10pm Pacific
The current standings are as follows:

Goat has dropped to 4th place with 9 votes
Bunny is now in 3rd place with 10 votes
Llama is still in 2nd place with 17 votes
Pony remains in 1st place with 21 votes

This poll closes August 7th so get your votes in while they count.

Edited by BFett, 02 July 2012 - 01:16 PM.

[Vulpesveritas]

BFett, on 02 July 2012 - 01:14 PM, said:

Please take the Dog verse Cat debate somewhere else as both animals are not relevant to this topic. Thank You.


July 2, 2012 2:10pm Pacific
The current standings are as follows:

Goat has dropped to 4th place with 9 votes
Bunny is now in 3rd place with 10 votes
Llama is still in 2nd place with 17 votes
Pony remains in 1st place with 21 votes

This poll closes August 7th so get your votes in while they count.

Sorry if you feel they're not, (it's fox vs cat by the way) however, the title of the thread is "animal of MWO", correct? And we feel that these animals better represent MWO than your limited selection of herbavores. Unless tthis is meant for something other than association, i feel the implementation of this thread is highly flwed.

[dezgra]

All the choices are "clannish". Stupid "trashborn" poll.

[ConanTheGamer]

I'm voting goat because they're Baaaaaaddd!!!

Edited by ConanTheGamer, 02 July 2012 - 03:04 PM.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

I want to declare a motion regarding the "pony" option. Those who vote in favor are "bronies" and therefore have no souls. I declare that you require a soul in order to vote (or lack of a strange cartoon fetish). Female pony fans or "pegasis" on the other hand are allow to make such a vote. However, according to the latest "comstar" update by Hawkeye, that accounts for only 1% of the posting population. In this regard, only 1% of the pony votes are valid.

[BFett]

mwhighlander, on 02 July 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

I want to declare a motion regarding the "pony" option. Those who vote in favor are "bronies" and therefore have no souls. I declare that you require a soul in order to vote (or lack of a strange cartoon fetish). Female pony fans or "pegasis" on the other hand are allow to make such a vote. However, according to the latest "comstar" update by Hawkeye, that accounts for only 1% of the posting population. In this regard, only 1% of the pony votes are valid.

Hello mwhighlander, how can you tell the gender of the users making the vote when the profile names are hidden from view?