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[Ramien]

I do have to wonder at the lack of choices -obviously my first choice would be fox, as Vulpesveritas has already been defending much better than I could from work or school. One of the felines would probably be the second choice, or my cats at home would find out and slash my legs even more.

But what I find truly baffling is the lack of animals that should be drawn from the list of Battlemechs - the Raven, Wolverine, and Firefly, to say nothing of the plethora of animal-named 'Mechs among the clans.

[Randall Flagg]

Liger. True Story.. and from now on **official mascot**

[Skadi]

BROTHERS, SISTERS, TROTHKEN, BONDSMEN, I Call to you to vote for the might Llama, its majesty is unparalled and a beauty to behold, the very sight of this beast strikes fear into our enamys and bolsters the moral of our troops as if their victory was assured! Do not let this futile "Pony" race come in our way, we will spit on them as we step on their comrades, we shall rise to victory! We shall conquer the Inner Sphere, WE SHALL BE THE DOMINATE RACE!
Vote llama.

Edited by Skadi, 02 July 2012 - 05:04 PM.

[BFett]

OK how many of you actually want the fox on the list to vote for? I've seen about 3 people so far asking for the fox. I'd like about 10+ supporters before I add it to the poll. I encourage you to start petitioning if you want me to add your desired animal to the list.

[Catamount]

Vulpesveritas, on 02 July 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

Sorry if you feel they're not, (it's fox vs cat by the way) however, the title of the thread is "animal of MWO", correct? And we feel that these animals better represent MWO than your limited selection of herbavores. Unless tthis is meant for something other than association, i feel the implementation of this thread is highly flwed.

Indeed; at no point did the OP name this "The Lame Animal of MWO"; we figured we'd inject some cooler choices.

Vulpesveritas, on 02 July 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

@cat:
yet at the same time this further shows the point of the superior adaptability, intelligence, and cunning of the fox. The better predator is not necessarily the one able to take down larger game. Consider this; the red fox not only stores food, butbut also eats a wider variety of food, taking advantage of many plants when in season. Often having excess supplies of food, not only aids in the survival of the individual, but aids the raising of young, and means that more time can be devoted to activities such as play, which is notable even in adult foxes. Furthermore they are able to thrive wild in amongst human settlements, and excell at coexistence. All within a single specie which os able to adapt exceptionally to various environments without branching out. And rather than hunting risky prey which tak large amounts of energy to take down like the big cats, or h ghh specializing only on predation and a small number of species like the small cats, foxes are able tovthrive quite a bit more effectively.

And its less underestating, more of a difference in idiology.

Cats enjoy a wider variety of forms and predatory niches, with many overlapping species across numerous ranges. I'd say they have the edge in adaptability. Their disparate "species" are so closely related, it's sometimes hard to even get a clear picture of the separations at all; they just choose to more finely tune to their environments than other non-specialists through slight modifications, and if change called for it, they'd just do it again.


Of course, cats aren't obligatory carnivores to their own disadvantage. If it was advantageous for them to digest plants, they'd evolve to do it; it's just a quick adjustment to the digestive tract. Being a hypercarnivore is advantageous because that specialization allows one to be more adept, rather than a jack of all trades and master of none. No canid can kill as effectively as a feline; they just aren't armed nearly as well. This is also not a disadvantage for foxes, however. These two inhabit different niches, and have adapted accordingly. Cats are nature's real caretakers, and are basically almost unilaterally responsible for keeping half the ecosystems on Earth from falling apart from overpopulation of herbivores, and they're damn good at it, and the advantage is that they're very highly successful because their job never becomes obsolete. Foxes don't do that same job nearly as well, but they opportunistically are able to stay alive on whatever's in front of them, regardless of what biological kingdom it comes from.


On the other hand, it's absolutely underestimation to assume foxes to be more cunning or intelligent. For example, there's a project going on, a somewhat controversial one, to raise a wild tiger population in Africa, and significant behavioral modification was required for survival, skills the tigers picked up, without training, through nothing more than deductive reasoning. Very few animals are capable of that feat, and indeed, cats are active problem solvers. I once heard of a case where a group of attacking lions prompted villagers to cross a river to take refuge away from their village. While attempting to move stuff out, a woman became trapped in her hut when they attacked again, and as they tried to get in, she called out for her husband to come. He ran out with a spear, but the whole thing turned out to be a carefully laid trap. A lioness was waiting for him to come, and ambushed him. They attacked the house just to draw out and ambush human responders.

Could a group of foxes do that? I've never heard of an equal feet of cooperation or problem solving, but while I don't doubt their intelligence, color me skeptical on the notion that they're capable of anything better


Maybe we should treat it this way:

Rather than arguing, let's just have an agreement of joint awesomeness over all the other lowly creatures.


Think of it. We could rule the galaxy as feline and fox

BFett, on 02 July 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

OK how many of you actually want the fox on the list to vote for? I've seen about 3 people so far asking for the fox. I'd like about 10+ supporters before I add it to the poll. I encourage you to start petitioning if you want me to add your desired animal to the list.

It wouldn't make for a complete list, but I'd sure as hell vote for foxes over anything else. Give the poor carnivores some love!

Edited by Catamount, 02 July 2012 - 06:53 PM.

[Jer]

BEAR!

[Vulpesveritas]

Catamount, on 02 July 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

Indeed; at no point did the OP name this "The Lame Animal of MWO"; we figured we'd inject some cooler choices.



Cats enjoy a wider variety of forms and predatory niches, with many overlapping species across numerous ranges. I'd say they have the edge in adaptability. Their disparate "species" are so closely related, it's sometimes hard to even get a clear picture of the separations at all; they just choose to more finely tune to their environments than other non-specialists through slight modifications, and if change called for it, they'd just do it again.


Of course, cats aren't obligatory carnivores to their own disadvantage. If it was advantageous for them to digest plants, they'd evolve to do it; it's just a quick adjustment to the digestive tract. Being a hypercarnivore is advantageous because that specialization allows one to be more adept, rather than a jack of all trades and master of none. No canid can kill as effectively as a feline; they just aren't armed nearly as well. This is also not a disadvantage for foxes, however. These two inhabit different niches, and have adapted accordingly. Cats are nature's real caretakers, and are basically almost unilaterally responsible for keeping half the ecosystems on Earth from falling apart from overpopulation of herbivores, and they're damn good at it, and the advantage is that they're very highly successful because their job never becomes obsolete. Foxes don't do that same job nearly as well, but they opportunistically are able to stay alive on whatever's in front of them, regardless of what biological kingdom it comes from.


On the other hand, it's absolutely underestimation to assume foxes to be more cunning or intelligent. For example, there's a project going on, a somewhat controversial one, to raise a wild tiger population in Africa, and significant behavioral modification was required for survival, skills the tigers picked up, without training, through nothing more than deductive reasoning. Very few animals are capable of that feat, and indeed, cats are active problem solvers. I once heard of a case where a group of attacking lions prompted villagers to cross a river to take refuge away from their village. While attempting to move stuff out, a woman became trapped in her hut when they attacked again, and as they tried to get in, she called out for her husband to come. He ran out with a spear, but the whole thing turned out to be a carefully laid trap. A lioness was waiting for him to come, and ambushed him. They attacked the house just to draw out and ambush human responders.

Could a group of foxes do that? I've never heard of an equal feet of cooperation or problem solving, but while I don't doubt their intelligence, color me skeptical on the notion that they're capable of anything better


Maybe we should treat it this way:

Rather than arguing, let's just have an agreement of joint awesomeness over all the other lowly creatures.


Think of it. We could rule the galaxy as feline and fox






It wouldn't make for a complete list, but I'd sure as hell vote for foxes over anything else. Give the poor carnivores some love!

Well I suppose we could come to a compromise over this.... for now at least. Otherwise I fear that this debate might move onward to the point of becoming pure spam.

However yes, we do need more choices if this is as the title actually says, rather than giving us such a limited selection that there can be no true representation of the actual preference of the community, and hence any true viability to this poll.

Ramien, on 02 July 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

I do have to wonder at the lack of choices -obviously my first choice would be fox, as Vulpesveritas has already been defending much better than I could from work or school. One of the felines would probably be the second choice, or my cats at home would find out and slash my legs even more.

But what I find truly baffling is the lack of animals that should be drawn from the list of Battlemechs - the Raven, Wolverine, and Firefly, to say nothing of the plethora of animal-named 'Mechs among the clans.

And half of my replies on this have been from my phone while I had breaks at work.

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 02 July 2012 - 08:21 PM.

[JP Josh]

seeing the pony thread is well past 250+ posts i have to say MWO animal of choice is a pony

Edited by JP Josh, 02 July 2012 - 08:12 PM.

[Scrimshaw]

Stormeris, on 29 June 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

Scorpion obviously

I think what you meant to say was Scorpion pony.

[Adramoloch]

[Mattrixx]

*hides his my little pony's and llamas*

There's no pony's or llamas here. Honest. I swear. Look! A flying saucer!

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

How do I see which gender voted? Easy


Magic. Everyone who voted pony believes in the magic of friendship, and that odor is hard to wash out!

[MechRaccoon]

none of them.

RACCOONS

[Otto Cannon]

Why are none of these on the list?

[BFett]

Maybe because no one has petitioned for them to be added. I'm asking for 10 names of supporters for the petitioned animal to be added. If you want all 6 of those animals on the list you better send me a petition via PM of 60 supporters.

(yes I will be counting)

Edited by BFett, 03 July 2012 - 09:19 PM.

[Otto Cannon]

BFett, on 03 July 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

Maybe because no one has petitioned for them to be added. I'm asking for 10 names of supporters for the petitioned animal to be added. If you want all 6 of those animals on the list you better send me a petition via PM of 60 supporters.

(yes I will be counting)

Ah, now we see the prejudice inherent in the system. If you're an Orangutan or Sloth from a poor household in a rough area you just can't get a fair chance in life these days. Of course, if you're a pony from a well-to-do family with a Harvard education the whole '10 supporter petition' thing just gets overlooked I suppose.

[Malacay]

All are disgusting and wrong on soooo many levels...

There can only be one animal that can be the animal of MWO and that has to be..........

the Party Animal Bender Rodriguez Bender Bending Rodríguez ! All hail to the King Baby!

Not only is he TRVE and Metal and parties hardcore... but he also wants to kill all humans...






Don't forget... this game is about mech not stupid fetishes... no matter what kind...

[Sychodemus]

Very strange thread.

I share the Honey Badger's opinion regarding this or any other kind of animal totem poll.

[Catamount]

Yeah, I gotta say, this poll's looking more and more rigged. Even if we had 50 people who all wanted more choices, but 9 of them wanted foxes, 6 cats of some sort, maybe 8 for some kind of bird of prey, 7 for a primate species, 8 more for a cetacean, and then two groups of 6 respectively wanting a bear and a badger, we'd get... nothing

Even worse, even if I had 18 people who wanted a feline option, but 9 wanted tigers and 9 wanted caracals, we'd be left out.


I'm definitely sensing a little bit of anti-carnivore prejudice here. Oh, sure, the herbivores get to get in no questions asked, but the moment the poor carnivores want their representation, it's a wall of Jim Crow laws!

Next you'll be telling me I have to go make my own thread, that way they can be "separate but equal"!

Edited by Catamount, 03 July 2012 - 09:57 PM.

[Earthtalker]

Ok. I must be very bored and in a mech buildin' mood tonight because I just went ahead and built Derpy Hooves mech in SSW. Here it is and god help us all

Crossfire CSF-***

Mass: 100 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Advanced Rules
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-D-X
Production Year: 0
Cost: 23,168,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,273

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 300 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 60 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
2 ER Large Lasers
2 LRM-10s
4 Ultra AC/2s
4 Medium Lasers
2 SRM-2s
12 Small Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard 152 points 10.00
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 300 9.50
Walking MP: 3
Running MP: 5
Jumping MP: 2 Standard
Jump Jet Locations: 1 LL, 1 RL 4.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT
Gyro: Standard 3.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Armor: Standard Armor AV - 232 14.50
CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA, RA 0.00

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 31 34
Center Torso (rear) 9
L/R Torso 21 31
L/R Torso (rear) 8
L/R Arm 17 22
L/R Leg 21 29

================================================================================
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Ultra AC/2s RA 2 4 10.00
4 Small Lasers RA 4 4 2.00
2 Ultra AC/2s LA 2 4 10.00
4 Small Lasers LA 4 4 2.00
LRM-10 RT 4 1 2.50
SRM-2 RT 2 1 0.50
2 Medium Lasers RT 6 2 2.00
2 Small Lasers RT 2 2 1.00
LRM-10 LT 4 1 2.50
SRM-2 LT 2 1 0.50
2 Medium Lasers LT 6 2 2.00
2 Small Lasers LT 2 2 1.00
2 ER Large Lasers CT 24 2 8.00
@Ultra AC/2 (90) RA - 2 2.00
@Ultra AC/2 (90) LA - 2 2.00
@LRM-10 (12) RT - 1 1.00
@SRM-2 (50) RT - 1 1.00
@LRM-10 (12) LT - 1 1.00
@SRM-2 (50) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 3

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 23
3/1j 5 3 2 0 4 4 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1