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[Odanan]

Zaptruder, on 05 January 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

Cheers fellas. The head is a tricky one. I made it bigger to accomodate a cockpit (actually the cockpit has to fit in both the head and neck), and also kept the rule of thumb of having an orange glass plate cockpit. But I think the chin was a bit too much; I touched it up (took it away) and it seems to make something of a difference... but I think I'll have to revisit it later when I have some distance from the design.

As for the handgun... I think I prefer the mounted guns as well... but I'll keep the handgun in this case (just as something different) - because I want it to be differentiated from the Wasp as well (who has the right hand removed for the gun).

But here's the Phoenix Hawk (in Lyran Guard colours) with a mounted LL cannon instead of a hand carried gun.



As always, comments & feedback is appreciated. Cheers.

Next up: Shadow Hawk... then probably a bit of a break.

Wow, what a beauty! I mean, really beautiful, detailed mech here. I can't even think of how it could be better.

Shadow Hawk? I'm looking forward! (I find ugly all the original Dougram mechs)

[Odanan]

Norris J Packard, on 06 January 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

Why is January 30th the next suspected day? I can't figure out where this is coming from. Most of the past conjectures have made sense, I just can't wrap my head around this one is all.

It looks like the circle now is 6 weeks (between the Blackjack and Orion were 6 weeks).
(this would also fit very well - the mech #21 would be announced in March, a perfect time to show the first Clan mech)

[Odanan]

chewie, on 06 January 2013 - 03:12 AM, said:

While I would love to get my trusty Vindi back in the game, we already have the 45t BlackJack to come, I don't think they would put it in.

I know we have 2 35t and 2 50t mechs, I think were more likely to see another heavy or assault of similar tonnage to what we have before we see a second 45t mech.

Time will tell and we can only hope and pray.

3 50 tonners. Hunchback, Centurion and Trebuchet.

The problem of the Vindi is not the tonnage: it has few and poor variants and it is (normally) too slow for a small mech.

[chewie]

well spotted Odanan. For some reason i was thinking the Treb was a 55.

Shows how long its been since i used one in TT or megamek for that matter.

[Zaptruder]

Odanan, on 06 January 2013 - 04:36 AM, said:

Wow, what a beauty! I mean, really beautiful, detailed mech here. I can't even think of how it could be better.

Shadow Hawk? I'm looking forward! (I find ugly all the original Dougram mechs)

Cheers Oda. It was a tricky one for me to get right (I think some bits still need a bit of tweaking...), especially the head. It looks like a cross between a veritech head and a gundam head now; which is ok by me.

Also I love the Battlemaster still

But I think a lot of that is owed to the excellent Kuritan rendition of it in the Camo Specs field guide cover.


As for the main topic at hand... It'd be nice for them to have a mech in each weight class... but the overlap of at least the Hunchie, Centurion and Trebuchet pretty much rules that out.

If I was a designer, I'd want to ensure that each new mech I introduce has a different feel and role in the game. That it can adhere to one of 4 primary roles... but that it has its own unique tweak on the gameplay experience.

A fast 40 ton runner/scout is filled by the Cicada.

The heavy hitter 50 tonner is filled by the Hunchback.

The all-round striker is filled by the Centurion.

Missle Support is filled by the Trebuchet.

Ranged Direct Fire support is filled by the Blackjack which also fills the 45 ton slot.

Wait... what are we dicussing again? Another medium mech? Why do we have so many medium mechs anyway??

Edited by Zaptruder, 06 January 2013 - 05:08 AM.

[Adridos]

chewie, on 06 January 2013 - 03:12 AM, said:

While I would love to get my trusty Vindi back in the game, we already have the 45t BlackJack to come, I don't think they would put it in.

Is it some kind of fetish amongst you, Feddies?

Whenerver a Capellan mech is mentioned, you can bet your whole arm acutator there will be some Davion who loves the mech.

Also, Odanan. A quasi Phoenix Hawk (drop some HS on 1AA, change weapons to suit it and up the engine), AC/2 in head and other interesting customistaions.

Edited by Adridos, 06 January 2013 - 05:24 AM.

[Odanan]

Adridos, on 06 January 2013 - 05:10 AM, said:

Is it some kind of fetish amongst you, Feddies?

Whenerver a Capellan mech is mentioned, you can bet your whole arm acutator there will be some Davion who loves the mech.

Also, Odanan. A quasi Phoenix Hawk (drop some HS on 1AA, change weapons to suit it and up the engine), AC/2 in head and other interesting customistaions.

There aren't many Fed engineers. Why projecting new mechs if you can steal the designs from the Capies?

Vindicator as Phoenix Hawk? Well... you can do something similar* with the Blackjack (which currently looks more like the Phoenix Hawk, anyway).

This is probably the closer you will get to a Phoenix Hawk (or a LAN) in MWO.

*I know, even with the engine upgrade it will be slower than the PH, but better armed.

[Adridos]

Odanan, on 06 January 2013 - 05:49 AM, said:

This is probably the closer you will get to a Phoenix Hawk (or a LAN) in MWO.

It lacks proper arms and a human silouete.

[Norris J Packard]

Odanan, on 06 January 2013 - 04:39 AM, said:

It looks like the circle now is 6 weeks (between the Blackjack and Orion were 6 weeks).
(this would also fit very well - the mech #21 would be announced in March, a perfect time to show the first Clan mech)

Eh, I'd be rather surprised if it didn't show up on the 17th like the Orion did.

[chewie]

Adridos, on 06 January 2013 - 05:10 AM, said:

Is it some kind of fetish amongst you, Feddies?

Whenerver a Capellan mech is mentioned, you can bet your whole arm acutator there will be some Davion who loves the mech.

Also, Odanan. A quasi Phoenix Hawk (drop some HS on 1AA, change weapons to suit it and up the engine), AC/2 in head and other interesting customistaions.

Because at the time, it was cheaper than my BJ-1Dc IIRC

Plus its always fun to splat Caps in their own hardware

[CDLord HHGD]

Zaptruder, on 05 January 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

As always, comments & feedback is appreciated. Cheers.

You've got a fan in me Zap! Thanks for sharing your talents.

[CDLord HHGD]

Odanan, on 06 January 2013 - 05:49 AM, said:

There aren't many Fed engineers. Why projecting new mechs if you can steal the designs from the Capies?

Vindicator as Phoenix Hawk? Well... you can do something similar* with the Blackjack (which currently looks more like the Phoenix Hawk, anyway).

This is probably the closer you will get to a Phoenix Hawk (or a LAN) in MWO.

*I know, even with the engine upgrade it will be slower than the PH, but better armed.

To be fair, there are plenty of FedCom engineers. We just already have all the good mechs so they are concentrating on LosTech and Warships.

[Butane9000]

Tiger Woods, on 05 January 2013 - 11:19 PM, said:

What about the hermes II? It has 3 variants in the timeline that are all quite different than each other. Of course I personally would love nothing more than to get to pilot the clint with an XL engine in it.

While the Hermes is a good mech, the role it has is currently filled by the Cicada. I feel that eventually they will start adding in mechs that do similar jobs to others (like the Zeus/Awesome argument) but those will come later. Probably after the Clan mechs are introduced.

And since I didn't and other probably don't know which mechs are from which houses I figured I'd make a list. It's also a good list to go by when seeing the eventual in-house discount from the community warfare. Also these are just mechs in-game or announced for game, not all of them. Some of these are from multiple or may represent a variant created by the faction.

House Liao/Capellan Confederation
Cataphract 1X, 2X, 3L
Catapult A1, C4
Cicada 2B, 3C
Flea 17
Highlander 733, 733P, 733C
JagerMech S
Raven 4X

House Davion/Federated Suns
Atlas RS
Blackjack 1DC, 1DB
Cataphract 1X, 2X, 3D, 4X
Centurion AL, D, AH (The AH may not return to MW:O)
Commando 2D
Jagermech S, A
Raven 2X
Spider 5D
Trebuchet 3C

House Kurita/Draconis Combine
Atlas K
Catapult K2
Dragon 1N, 1C, 5N
Highlander 733
Jenner D, F, K
Spider 5K, 7K (?)
Trebuchet 7K

House Steiner/Lyran Commonwealth
Atlas D-DC
Centurion AL
Commando 3A, 2D, 1D, 1B
Highlander 733, 733C, 733P
Stalker 5S

House Marik/Free Worlds League
Awesome 9M
Blackjack 1
Cicada 3M
Flea 15, 4
Orion K, VA, V
Stalker 5M
Trebuchet 5J, 7M

Free Rasalhague Republic
Catapult K2
Commando 2D
Dragon 1C, 1N
Jenner D, F
Spider 5K
Trebuchet 7K

Common mechs between all houses
Atlas D
Awesome 8R, 8T, 8V, 8Q
Blackjack 1
Catapult C1
Centurion A
Cicada 2A
Highlander 732
Hunchback 4G, 4H, 4P, 4SP, 4J
Jagermech DD
Orion K, VA, V
Spider 5V
Stalker 4N, 3F, 3H
Trebuchet 5N

Unlisted Variants (lore approved, MWO denied)
Hunchback 4N
Trebuchet 5S
Raven 3X, 1X

Edit: Updated listing using the excellent PDF Sennin linked. The variants in the unlisted section are current for the timeline of MW:O but are not going to appear in the game.

Edited by Butane9000, 06 January 2013 - 08:47 PM.

[Sennin]

@ Butane9000,

The Jagermech is a Federated Suns unit and the Highlander is listed as a Cappellan Confederation 'Mech on the 3039 Random Unit Tables. There are a few more I'm sure but I dont have my books in front of me.

[Sennin]

For those that might be interested I have the Battletech Faction Assignment and Rarity Tables 3028-3050. It is a 75 page updated compilation of every major and minor factions' BattleMechs and Vehicles to include the Star League, Periphery States and the invading Clans. All information is taken directly from canon Battletech Sourcebooks, TRO's, and Record Sheets. Credit for this goes to Xotl from the MUL (Master Unit List) Team and the guys at the battletech.com forums. This truly is amazing and it continues to get updated as they move forward in the timeline.

You can follow the thread and continue to get updates on the BT Forums here...
http://bg.battletech...pic,1219.0.html

The direct link to download Battletech Faction Assignment and Rarity Tables 3028-3050 is here...
http://dl.dropbox.co...ables%208.2.pdf

@ Butane9000: I know this info is for the tabletop but it should help you with figuring out the 'Mech availabilty should be for MWO because availabilty is not just by 'Mech for a faction, it's typically by Variant.

@ Odanan: If you look thru this and find it useful to the thread then you are welcome to link it to the OP so it is easy to locate in the future.

[Edit: Spelling; Additional commentary to Butane9000 and Odanan]

Edited by Sennin, 06 January 2013 - 12:46 PM.

[Odanan]

Sennin, on 06 January 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

For those that might be interested I have the Battletech Faction Assignment and Rarity Tables 3028-3050. It is a 75 page updated compilation of every major and minor factions' BattleMechs and Vehicles to include the Star League, Periphery States and the invading Clans. All information is taken directly from canon Battletech Sourcebooks, TRO's, and Record Sheets. Credit for this goes to Xotl from the MUL (Master Unit List) Team and the guys at the battletech.com forums. This truly is amazing and it continues to get updated as they move forward in the timeline.

You can follow the thread and continue to get updates on the BT Forums here...
http://bg.battletech...pic,1219.0.html

The direct link to download Battletech Faction Assignment and Rarity Tables 3028-3050 is here...
http://dl.dropbox.co...ables%208.2.pdf

@ Butane9000: I know this info is for the tabletop but it should help you with figuring out the 'Mech availabilty should be for MWO because availabilty is not just by 'Mech for a faction, it's typically by Variant.

@ Odanan: If you look thru this and find it useful to the thread then you are welcome to link it to the OP so it is easy to locate in the future.

[Edit: Spelling; Additional commentary to Butane9000 and Odanan]

That's simply amazing! I will find some way to add it to the OP.

[Butane9000]

Updated the listing as best I could with the tables you provided Sennin. Still some missing we'll have to figure out.

[Sennin]

Butane9000, on 06 January 2013 - 06:19 PM, said:

Updated the listing as best I could with the tables you provided Sennin. Still some missing we'll have to figure out.

Here is an easy way to help with that. For most of the 'Mechs pre-3050 if it had a M, S, K, D, or L after the initial model designator it meant the variant originated from one of the Great Houses. Example CPLT-K2 is a variant of House Kurita. Wether another House has access to that variant depends on the Lore behind it. A good example of this is the Cataphract factory(a House Liao design) on the planet Tinkonov was captured by the Federated Suns during the 4th Succession War and House Davion began using it to produce their CTF-3D Variant. Hope this helps narrow some of it down. I can help further once you have resorted the list.

[Butane9000]

Sennin, on 06 January 2013 - 07:02 PM, said:

Here is an easy way to help with that. For most of the 'Mechs pre-3050 if it had a M, S, K, D, or L after the initial model designator it meant the variant originated from one of the Great Houses. Example CPLT-K2 is a variant of House Kurita. Wether another House has access to that variant depends on the Lore behind it. A good example of this is the Cataphract factory(a House Liao design) on the planet Tinkonov was captured by the Federated Suns during the 4th Succession War and House Davion began using it to produce their CTF-3D Variant. Hope this helps narrow some of it down. I can help further once you have resorted the list.

I went through the list and sorted them. Any M series to House Marik, K series to Kurita etc. The remaining variants are all that is left.

[Sennin]

Butane9000, on 06 January 2013 - 09:58 AM, said:

Unlisted Variants (currently in-game or speculated/approved)
Atlas D-DC
Cataphract 3L, 4X
Centurion AH (?)
Commando 1B
Dragon 5N
Flea 17, 19 (?)
Highlander 732
Jagermech DD
Trebuchet 3C

Unlisted Variants (lore approved, MWO denied)
Hunchback 4N
Trebuchet 5S
Raven 3X, 1X

Steiner
Atlas D-DC
Commando 1B

Marik
Trebuchet 5S (I know it says "S" but this is one of those exceptions to the rule. The 5S was largely used by House Marik though being bordering nations it was not uncommon to see this variant on both sides.

Davion
Cataphract 4X (First protype after the capture of Tikonov. Poorly received by Federated Suns pilots and never truly used.)
Trebuchet 3C (This is the original "Trenchbucket" built during the Star League by Corean Enterprises for the Federated Suns.)
Centurion AH (Removed from MWO)
Jagermech DD (While this variant is inherently Davion, the Jagermech is widely used by most of the Great Houses.)

Laio
Cataphract 3L
Flea 17 (Production plans captured from Wolf's Dragoons and re-engineered in 3040.)
Raven 1X (The original Prototype put into production that eventually became what is the 3L. These models were captured by House Davion in the 4th War and upgraded to the 2X which you can place on their list as well.)
Raven 3X (This is House Liao's epic failure. The 'Mech mounts faulty production grade Triple Strength Myomer that causes it to burst into flames when exposed to a certain gas. The completed version of this variant uses experimental level 3 tech.)

Kurita
Dragon 5N

Mercs/General
Flea 17 (Wolf's Dragoons)
Flea 19 (Peripher States and Merc units)
Hunchback 4N
Highlander 732 (This is the original Highlander, manufactured by House Liao during the Star League era. It is prominent in House Liao and Steiner however, it's lore places it in small numbers across each Great House over the course of this timeline due to numerous circumstance. So this is why I placed it here.)

Hope this helps, it gives me something to do other than endlessly play conquest mode in my least favorite 'Mechs to grind.