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[Adridos]

Odanan, on 22 October 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

LRM5? 64.8 km/h? If I was the Emperor I would execute the designers right away.

About the Blackjack, you are just upset because of how many you lost for the FedRats.

Blackjack is actually pretty liked amongst the Capellans. We even havea special variant and even though lore-wise, we can't produce it anymore, game-wise, we can (St.Ives and all...)!

And are you trying to tell me Vindy is a bad mech? I thought you'd know better for a mercenary.
Best non-unseen medium 3025 mech of teh IS by far, competing with Crab for the spot.

http://bg.battletech...p?topic=14210.0

[Odanan]

Adridos, on 22 October 2012 - 09:05 AM, said:

And are you trying to tell me Vindy is a bad mech? I thought you'd know better for a mercenary.
Best non-unseen medium 3025 mech of teh IS by far, competing with Crab for the spot.

http://bg.battletech...p?topic=14210.0

There are lots of horrible medium mechs out there, but Vindicator is not the best medium. The Hunchback (specially the HBK-4P) and the Trebuchet are much better (not to mention the Unseen). Heck, even the Dervish and Whitworth are better.

But the Vindy could become very decent simply by replacing that crappy LRM5 for 3 Medium Lasers*.

*Or armor (because 4.5 tons is ridiculous).

Edited by Odanan, 23 October 2012 - 01:39 AM.

[Odanan]

And one thing I learned long before being a mercenary is: SRM-2s and LRM-5s are more dangerous to the user than the enemy, so replace them in the first opportunity.

[Odanan]

So, today we will be playing with the Cicada and the Yen-Lo-Wang.

[M X Striker]

Odanan, on 23 October 2012 - 01:35 AM, said:

So, today we will be playing with the Cicada and the Yen-Lo-Wang.

I'm just curious. Has this been confirmed? Are we definitely getting a patch today and new mechs?

*Crosses fingers and prays to the almighty Devs.*

Pacem,

Michael X. Striker

[Draken X]

Odanan, on 22 October 2012 - 03:18 AM, said:

I don't think the devs care much for the tonnage and maybe they will skip some.

Comparing the Blackjack with the Vindicator, I think the Blackjack is more likely. It would be a mini-sniper when the Vindicator would be only another medium brawler.

Like Adridos said, Vindicator is not a brawler but it's more of a general-purpose mech that is capable of performing many kind of combat roles in the battlefield with a various degree of successes. It is neither better nor worse as a medium mech, it's just as good as other existing IS medium mechs when it comes to the hand of a competent player.

Vindy's default variant has a PPC for sniping, LRM-5 for indirect fire support, ML and SL for close-in engagement, 9-ton of armor is a decent durability for a medium mech (at least slightly better than the Centurion default variant which armor is 8.5 tons). Not to mentioned it has a jump-jets too.

Since the Vindy is a jack-of-all-trades mech, it is an ideal mech of choice for a cannon fodders. You bring it for scouting, flanking, supporting other mechs etc. It maybe a weak mech in your eyes, but the Vindy can be an effective mech when played in numbers, and is very effective in community warfare as it involves co-op gameplay.

Say... do you guys think the Vindicator's concept is identical to the concept of USSR's and China's expendable front-line foot soldiers that are able to form a various assault formations in the battlefield?

[Adridos]

Odanan, on 22 October 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

There are lots of horrible medium mechs out there, but Vindicator is not the best medium. The Hunchback (specially the HBK-4P) and the Trebuchet are much better (not to mention the Unseen). Heck, even the Dervish and Whitworth are better.

But the Vindy could become very decent simply by replacing that crappy LRM5 for 3 Medium Lasers*.

*Or armor (because 4.5 tons is ridiculous).

I'm now not even sure if we're talking about the same mech.

Also, for all the gauss lovers... VND-1X has a machinegun in it's LA. Having an energy weapon in one hand, ballistic in another, energy hardpoint in HD and a missile slot in your LT is hardly what I call a crappy design, Odanan. And let's not forget the JJs.

[Draken X]

Adridos, on 23 October 2012 - 07:18 AM, said:

I'm now not even sure if we're talking about the same mech.

Also, for all the gauss lovers... VND-1X has a machinegun in it's LA. Having an energy weapon in one hand, ballistic in another, energy hardpoint in HD and a missile slot in your LT is hardly what I call a crappy design, Odanan. And let's not forget the JJs.

I think he was referring to the VND-1AA variant when it comes to 4.5 tons of armor.

[Odanan]

I was talking about the VND-1AA, not the primary variant (my bad).

Indeed, the primary is not that awful (still, I would remove that LRM5). I should study more about the mechs of my former allies...

[Adridos]

Draken X, on 23 October 2012 - 07:21 AM, said:

I think he was referring to the VND-1AA variant when it comes to 4.5 tons of armor.

Yeah, probably. Still, it's really strange, since that variant is there to imitate Phoenix Hawk.... which can be done in such a fassion as to change the PPC to a LL, the SL in arm into a ML, and throw off useless HS Vindy has a lot of for the 8 ton armor mark and better speed.

[Odanan]

M X Striker, on 23 October 2012 - 06:22 AM, said:

I'm just curious. Has this been confirmed? Are we definitely getting a patch today and new mechs?

*Crosses fingers and prays to the almighty Devs.*

Pacem,

Michael X. Striker

It is the the update lists:

Upcoming Features

Upcoming Content

So I guess yes, there will be lot's of new toys today.

[Butane9000]

Odanan, have you considered compiling a list of all mechs that haven't been announced or that you've guessed are likely.

because in your comment that they'll wait 4 years for the Bushwacker is a long, long time. Right now they are taking what, 2-3 months to release a new mech to the beta? That means we'll have at least 16 mechs in 4 years at their current rate (3 months per mech). We already have 10 mechs in the beta (assuming the Cicada is released) with only 7 others being announced (Yen Lo Wang is a hero mech centurion variant so it doesn't count). That means we have 9 mechs unannounced. Do to you really think they'll just sit on their butts and let the tonnage gaps be left unfilled?

Why not make a list with everything available at the time period. And order then by availability (numbers in service). This gives us a good idea of what we are likely to see.

Edited by Butane9000, 23 October 2012 - 07:44 AM.

[Adridos]

Butane9000, on 23 October 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

Why not make a list with everything available at the time period. And order then by availability (numbers in service). This gives us a good idea of what we are likely to see.

Disagreed. Highlander is a really rare mech even in 3049, yet it still got in.

Ravens (the cool ones) are also unheard of outside CC and they still got in.

[Banekane]

i predict in about 10 years from now when we are already full swing and on the anniversary we will have all mechs in game aslong as they flow with the timeline

[Butane9000]

Adridos, on 23 October 2012 - 08:10 AM, said:

Disagreed. Highlander is a really rare mech even in 3049, yet it still got in.

Ravens (the cool ones) are also unheard of outside CC and they still got in.

I knew that about the highlander, didn't know that about the Raven.

[SmithMPBT]

Adridos, on 23 October 2012 - 08:10 AM, said:

Disagreed. Highlander is a really rare mech even in 3049, yet it still got in.

Ravens (the cool ones) are also unheard of outside CC and they still got in.

Same with Dragons, they're not seen outside the DC.

[Magik0012]

So, obviously we need system that limits what mechs a player can purchase AND use in a drop based on availability in timeline/lore and the percentage of mechs currently in play.

Nope, sorry, you can't take your Atlas into combat, the max number of Atlai have already been deployed. Please try again later.

I am joking obviously, but this has been done to a limited extent in other games.

Anyway, back to waiting for the patch & patch notes.

Edited by Magik0012, 23 October 2012 - 09:35 AM.

[Odanan]

Magik0012, on 23 October 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

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Nope, sorry, you can't take your Atlas into combat, the max number of Atlai have already been deployed.
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You know the plural of Atlas is not Atlai, right? Language, unfortunately, is not decided by vote or wishful thinking.

About the problem of restricted mechs being used by players of other factions, I think this can be solved by the price of the mech. Players of the mech's owner faction have a discount - allies pay a middle price (as mercenaries and lone wolves) and opposing factions pay much more.

[GioAvanti]

Sadly lots of folks commenting know little about battletech or the strats involved. So for the clueless: stop
callling things mini. Multi mechs fill the same role at diff weight classes for a reason; counter play and team comp. Also the vindi is a great mech....think about other mechs in the same period not to mention upgrade potential.

[Odanan]

What? No patch today?