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[BourbonFaucet]

So recently, it seems that fewer and fewer people seem to believe that ECM is overpowered anymore.

What did I miss?

I thought the "Magic Jesus Box" was considered to be the single most OP thing in the game. Did it get replaced by some other thing to complain about? Did the BAP buff (and subsequent nerf) somehow end the discussion?

Or is it that we've given up discussing changing electronic warfare in MWO, and have just taken every last entire team backstab due to ECM better?

ECM still feels overpowered from my point of view. However, this is just an opinion, and I wanted to know others' opinions on the device.

thanks!

[Telmasa]

As long as ECM is also simultaneously functioning as an IFF jammer, I think it's going to continue to be an overwhelming advantage to have. BAP isn't as good a counter if multiple ECM mechs can just stack on top of each other, imo.

[Monkey Lover]

ya they made lrms worthless. No one cares anymore.

[BourbonFaucet]

Monkey Lover, on 20 December 2014 - 08:32 PM, said:

ya they made lrms worthless. No one cares anymore.

As far as I know all they did was remove .1 damage to TT values of 1 per missile.

[Mcgral18]

It's the same Jesus Box it's been for awhile. It still ruins a family of weapons.


And it's never going to change. Oh well.

[Hervedgerse]

It doesn't help that that family of weapons has a host of other problems like low travel speed too.

[Brody319]

ECM it stops missile boats. Thats about it.

[Mcgral18]

Brody319, on 20 December 2014 - 09:10 PM, said:

ECM it stops missile boats. Thats about it.

It also provides Null Sig without costing 1 Heat/second.

As well as stopping any weapon locks, period. Things that Guardian ECM should not do. Hence, Magic Jesus Box.

[Wintersdark]

Is it more powerful than it should be? Yes. Does it matter? Not much anymore. We've given up and just don't care that much. Take it if you can and don't bother with LRM's unless you live in low Elo land were the presence of said box negating several tons and slots of weapons won't matter.

[FupDup]

Brody319, on 20 December 2014 - 09:10 PM, said:

ECM it stops missile boats. Thats about it.

Getting rid of red doritos and paper dolls is pretty cool too.

[Brody319]

FupDup, on 20 December 2014 - 10:49 PM, said:

Getting rid of red doritos and paper dolls is pretty cool too.

I guess, but shooting giant mechs is really not that hard.

[FupDup]

Brody319, on 20 December 2014 - 10:51 PM, said:

I guess, but shooting giant mechs is really not that hard.

You'd be surprised at what pugs can and can't do.

Lack of paper dolls means that damaged body parts/mechs are less likely to get focused down. The lack of doritos slows down the reaction time of most people (at least in the Underhive where I reside) during peek-and-shoot contests and it makes focus fire less likely to occur (the pug overmind reacts very strongly when a red dorito pops up, as if by natural instinct). Trolling LRM boats is just a cherry on top.

[Brody319]

FupDup, on 20 December 2014 - 10:54 PM, said:

You'd be surprised at what pugs can and can't do.

Lack of paper dolls means that damaged body parts/mechs are less likely to get focused down. The lack of doritos slows down the reaction time of most people (at least in the Underhive where I reside) during peek-and-shoot contests and it makes focus fire less likely to occur (the pug overmind reacts very strongly when a red dorito pops up, as if by natural instinct). Trolling LRM boats is just a cherry on top.

yea but in CW you are just as likely to run into a bunch of pugs as you are a group of competitive players. Then it doesn't matter as much.

[FupDup]

Brody319, on 20 December 2014 - 10:55 PM, said:

yea but in CW you are just as likely to run into a bunch of pugs as you are a group of competitive players. Then it doesn't matter as much.

Against comp players there isn't much you can do against other than gitting gud and getting on their level.

[Brody319]

FupDup, on 20 December 2014 - 10:56 PM, said:

Against comp players there isn't much you can do against other than gitting gud and getting on their level.

even just a regular 6-man who just chat but isn''t competitive, they are probably going to wreck your day. to be honest I wouldn't bother with ECM outside of PUG games. In CW there is too much of a risk. I'd rather bring another ton of ammo, a medium laser, or a heatsink over ECM usually.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Thats why I carry NARC and BAP in my Wubbabolt, it may be "cheap" but it damn sure helps when my teamates know where the enemy are, LRM's or not.

And Like to stick it to the horde of Hellbringers.

[FupDup]

Mister D, on 20 December 2014 - 11:05 PM, said:

Thats why I carry NARC and BAP in my Wubbabolt, it may be "cheap" but it damn sure helps when my teamates know where the enemy are, LRM's or not.

And Like to stick it to the horde of Hellbringers.

Thunderwub sounds manlier.

[Xetelian]

ECM countered!

[Brody319]

Mister D, on 20 December 2014 - 11:05 PM, said:

Thats why I carry NARC and BAP in my Wubbabolt, it may be "cheap" but it damn sure helps when my teamates know where the enemy are, LRM's or not.

And Like to stick it to the horde of Hellbringers.

This is also a reason ECM is not as good as people think. Not only was C/BAP is buffed, but a misconception of what it can do affects its use. SSRM and LRM boats equip B/CAP thinking it speeds up their lock on times. This means that plenty of builds will use it thinking it does something different, but inevitably will counter their biggest counter.

[Deathlike]

Mcgral18, on 20 December 2014 - 09:03 PM, said:

It's the same Jesus Box it's been for awhile. It still ruins a family of weapons.


And it's never going to change. Oh well.

Godbringer says hi.

It brings in good dough.