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[ExplodedZombie]

And I'm not talking about a Cicada-Heavy equivalent. One of the reasons that IS is having so much trouble with Clans is that they are under ECM almost always. Why? Hellbringer. It's a fantastic mech. ECM + Good firepower + Armor.

In CW we are extremely limited in our choices for ECM. You want something that can also fight? Bring the 100 ton Atlas. Or you can bring the Cicada...no thanks.

Yes, yes, I know that the other issue with CW is that there is really no way to close distance with Clan without getting a face-full of lasers (or take a generator for eff sake).

But there it is. How about a Heavy ECM-carrying mech, PGI?

[Mcgral18]

Where's the ECM Med and Assault for the Clams?

NopeVa and DireWhale both have ECM pods available.

[One Medic Army]

Mcgral18, on 20 December 2014 - 05:22 PM, said:

Where's the ECM Med and Assault for the Clams?

NopeVa and DireWhale both have ECM pods available.

Where's the IS ECM medium?

Don't kid yourself, the cicada isn't a medium, it's a fat light mech.

[ShadowWolf Kell]

Mcgral18, on 20 December 2014 - 05:22 PM, said:

Where's the ECM Med and Assault for the Clams?

NopeVa and DireWhale both have ECM pods available.

I can hear the QQ already over a Dire Whale with ECM and the JJs that come with it.


Of note... I don't see the IS taking as much ECM not because they can't, but because they CHOOSE not to. The Clans aren't afforded that luxury for the most part.

[Andi Nagasia]

ShadowWolf Kell, on 20 December 2014 - 06:13 PM, said:

I can hear the QQ already over a Dire Whale with ECM and the JJs that come with it.

sadly Clan would have to get the C(ECM) and S(JJ) to get both ECM and JJ,

i personally would love the DWF-C= HD=1M, CT=ECM, LA&RA=1M1E, LT=3E, RT=1E,
would love the DWF missile arms, i could run a DireStreak,

would also love the NVA-U= HD=ECM, LT&RT=4B LA&RA=5E,
i would love to mix this with S-CT=AMS and A-LT&RT, 1ECM 3AMS 12ER-SL Supportva,

Edit- Nova

Edited by Andi Nagasia, 20 December 2014 - 06:41 PM.

[Spheroid]

Not needed. Clans greatest asset is long range energy direct fire. The LRM rain is minor.

I don't see how having more ECM helps in any meaningful way. I deal with it buy putting TAG on everything, and it is working pretty damn well.

[lsp]

Don't see why CW was mentioned, a IS ecm heavy would make no difference there. It's all zerging anyway, so all the mechs are together, specially the attackers.

[ExplodedZombie]

Mcgral18, on 20 December 2014 - 05:22 PM, said:

Where's the ECM Med and Assault for the Clams?

NopeVa and DireWhale both have ECM pods available.

ECM for Clan is not the point of this post. Clans get a Heavy ECM carrier with good firepower.

And yes, the Cicada is a fat light and honestly not as good as a light anyways.

CW is mentioned because in many matches, Clan can use LRMs while we are behind the gate. LRMs are almost useless against Clan because of the number of Hellbringers.

[BourbonFaucet]

Yes, the IS needs and ECM Heavy, but merely to even up the numbers of 'mechs and weight classes with it.

Is ECM no longer considered OP or something? It used to be suggesting more ECM was taboo, and I still find it somewhat OP, at the very least, it forces me to take a TAG to counter it, which sucks.

Edited by Techorse, 20 December 2014 - 07:46 PM.

[Raedic]

The Orion is an IS Command 'mech and deserves ECM at least as much as the AS7-D-DC.

It would also give it an actual role ...

[Burktross]

One Medic Army, on 20 December 2014 - 05:51 PM, said:

Where's the IS ECM medium?

Don't kid yourself, the cicada isn't a medium, it's a fat light mech.

I kind of got mad when I first saw the cicada in CB... thought there was typo in the "weight class" section...

Raedic, on 20 December 2014 - 07:46 PM, said:

The Orion is an IS Command 'mech and deserves ECM at least as much as the AS7-D-DC.

It would also give it an actual role ...

orion op

[LORD ORION]

There is nothing wrong with this Cicada 3M

Regardless,
Maybe we'll get a Thunderbolt Hero with ECM?
Maybe a Griffin 2N?

The real problem is the lack of a re-arm mechanic in CW, because concentrated IS vs Clam LAS is pretty one sided in a 48vs48.

[wanderer]

Actually, one of the two first modern-era ECM-capable designs were the very familiar Raven- and a Cataphract prototype, the -0X.

And THAT thing was built around the lower-tech 7.5 ton EW package version!

What, you say? It was only a prototype? So is the Cataphract-2X.

Put in a version of it- patterned on the -0X itself with the oldschool EW replaced by a Beagle + GECM package (and a few extra single heat sinks to replace the extra tonnage+remote sensor dispenser). Call it the -0X or -PX.

[RAM]

TDR-7SE
CTF-0X


RAM
ELH

[ExplodedZombie]

LORD ORION, on 20 December 2014 - 08:34 PM, said:

There is nothing wrong with this Cicada 3M

Regardless,
Maybe we'll get a Thunderbolt Hero with ECM?
Maybe a Griffin 2N?

The real problem is the lack of a re-arm mechanic in CW, because concentrated IS vs Clam LAS is pretty one sided in a 48vs48.

But it can't stand and trade shots for very long.

[Vassago Rain]

We need a black knight.

[FupDup]

Vassago Rain, on 20 December 2014 - 10:59 PM, said:

We need a black knight.

I heard that they will get a quirk that allows them to live even when all of their limbs are destroyed.

[Vassago Rain]

FupDup, on 20 December 2014 - 11:02 PM, said:

I heard that they will get a quirk that allows them to live even when all of their limbs are destroyed.

I heard that they'll have a quirk that renders them not worthless like the orion.

[FalconerGray]

It's interesting to compare difference between Clan and IS, especially when talking about CW. IS may seem disadvantaged by not having an ECM heavy, but then on the other hand Clanners are disadvantaged by not having anything with the ability of the IS lights.

I play as a Clanner due to lore and nostalgia reasons (MW2 was my first and most loved) and I like the fact that there are advantages and disadvantages to both sides. Whilst defending in CW, I feel quite confident in our ability to manage med-long range firing lines whilst using focus-fire to cut down priority targets in a hurry but when a couple of fast lights break through the line, that's what really sparks the heart rate as their speed and agility is a completely different kettle of fish.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that no matter what way you look at it, Clan v IS should not be a 100% parity situation. For the sake of lore and entertaining gameplay, it's better for each side to be balanced in different ways.

[ChapeL]

The only Black Knight that carries ECM comes in the Dark Ages, some hundred years from now.

There is the 75 tons Bandersnatch within range of a modest two year jump...

Edited by ChapeL, 20 December 2014 - 11:26 PM.