Avoid The Gargoyle
#1
Posted 22 December 2014 - 11:22 AM
I'm not going to debate the dev boot lickers about what makes a mech great.. this is my experience so deal with it.
#2
Posted 22 December 2014 - 11:26 AM
Not terribad, but not worth 80 tons.
#3
Posted 22 December 2014 - 11:27 AM
#4
Posted 22 December 2014 - 11:31 AM
#7
Posted 22 December 2014 - 11:48 AM
Why is the Gargoyle bad, but Victor is not?
#8
Posted 22 December 2014 - 11:50 AM
#9
Posted 22 December 2014 - 11:52 AM
The Boz, on 22 December 2014 - 11:48 AM, said:
Why is the Gargoyle bad, but Victor is not?
Victor isn't totally bad. I've seen a few dragon slayers do well. Just they don't do good against anything bigger, like a battlemaster, banshee, king crab, warhawk, dashi, atlas ect.
Gargoyle really has very limited tonnage for weapons.
#12
Posted 22 December 2014 - 12:19 PM
I ask because I often see Victors being hailed as "great" on this forums, yet their quirks (recent as they are) are fairly weak. They're slower, can carry JJs, but otherwise they both fit the "flanker 80t assault" role...
The mechs are comparable, but the Gargoyle is described as ***** tier, while the Victor is often praised... I don't get it.
#13
Posted 22 December 2014 - 12:21 PM
The Boz, on 22 December 2014 - 11:48 AM, said:
Why is the Gargoyle bad, but Victor is not?
The Victor can mount superior ballistics for one.
I wouldn't go so far as to call the Gargoyle "bad"....its just that in a tonnage based system it gets outgunned by lighter 'mechs. Now in a 1/1/1/1 or 3/3/3/3 then it definitely has a use but I can't see why anyone would take it over a Warhawk or Timber Wolf in CW.
#14
Posted 22 December 2014 - 12:21 PM
The Boz, on 22 December 2014 - 12:19 PM, said:
I ask because I often see Victors being hailed as "great" on this forums, yet their quirks (recent as they are) are fairly weak. They're slower, can carry JJs, but otherwise they both fit the "flanker 80t assault" role...
The mechs are comparable, but the Gargoyle is described as ***** tier, while the Victor is often praised... I don't get it.
they were considered tier 1 before the quirking. Since PGI decided to use the competitive side and not the pug side, the Victor is considered one of the best assaults in the game, thus did not get quirks. PUGs where any mech bigger than a Victor is frequently used the Victor suffers against superior firepower and armor.
#15
Posted 22 December 2014 - 12:32 PM
Fonzie260, on 22 December 2014 - 11:22 AM, said:
So anyone with a contrary opinion is automatically a "boot licker"
Nice qualifier.
Many friends... Much wow... no time to debate...
#16
Posted 22 December 2014 - 12:35 PM
The Boz, on 22 December 2014 - 11:48 AM, said:
Why is the Gargoyle bad, but Victor is not?
The Victor has more weapon tonnage and hardpoint variety, generally allowing for stronger and/or more varied loadouts.
The VTR also gets JJs to use and has a "Large" movement archetype, whereas the Gargles is considered "Huge" (making it really bad at climbing slopes).
#17
Posted 22 December 2014 - 12:35 PM
Kain Thul, on 22 December 2014 - 12:21 PM, said:
The Victor can mount superior ballistics for one.
That's the only point I see going for it... Then again, the Gargoyle can mount superior SRMs and boat CERMLs, making a pretty devastating close- and medium-range punch. That, coupled with the speed and C-XL survivability, makes the GAR better, IMO.
#18
Posted 22 December 2014 - 12:37 PM
The Boz, on 22 December 2014 - 11:48 AM, said:
Why is the Gargoyle bad, but Victor is not?
Ability to mount 40 tons of guns? isACs? More than 12 SRM tubes? HoverJets™?
Better, but not exceedingly so. PGI nerfed the things that made it good. Still, 40>20.
The Boz, on 22 December 2014 - 12:35 PM, said:
It can't boat ERMLs if you take multiple SRMs. It can have a single 6 pack and 6 ERMLs; but that's a waste.
#19
Posted 22 December 2014 - 12:37 PM
FupDup, on 22 December 2014 - 12:35 PM, said:
The VTR also gets JJs to use and has a "Large" movement archetype, whereas the Gargles is considered "Huge" (making it really bad at climbing slopes).
I choose to ignore the "huge" bit and pretend it isn't there, because I seriously expect them to switch it with the King Crab. If they don't, then WTF, PGI!?
Free tonnage difference is easily compensated for with lighter weapons, although both are somewhat "taxed" here. Varied loadouts, IMO, go to the GAR. Many of the VTRs play identically...
#20
Posted 22 December 2014 - 12:40 PM
The Boz, on 22 December 2014 - 12:35 PM, said:
But close-medium range laser boats can't stay in the fight for extended periods of time and spread their damage all over the place. IS AC/20 + SRMs will outbrawl any clan laser boat any day.
Don't get me wrong, I like my 8 CERML 28 DHS Gargoyle build but I know its limitations.
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