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[CancersCincar]

KageRyuu, on 27 June 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

Now, this gives us a mech that's capable of carrying SRMs, LRMs, Lasers and PPCs.

I highly doubt that such a small 'Mech could mount a PPC, simply due to the tonnage of the weapon (seven tons, according to the BattleTech wiki) and due to the size.

[Derek Icelord]

According to Sarna, the only (non-custom) Commando variant with Jump Jets is Jihad era, the COM-7B.

[Spleenslitta]

CancersCincar, on 27 June 2012 - 10:41 PM, said:

I highly doubt that such a small 'Mech could mount a PPC, simply due to the tonnage of the weapon (seven tons, according to the BattleTech wiki) and due to the size.

It actually can as long as it has the weapon slots for it. The 1C variant has an AC 2. That weighs 6 tons + ammo.
It removes all the SRM's to get it.

[Hikaru]

Spleenslitta, on 27 June 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

That is cheap. There is one more thing. It's the lightest mech in the game.
If they put tonnage limitations on how much a company can weigh in a 12vs12 match those 10 tons will come in handy for the rest of the team.

There are no tonnage limitations. They've already stated that they want all 'mechs viable, so it just isn't a weight game, with weight being the decisive power factor. Weighing less isn't an advantage here, because they can roll in all 12 assaults if they want.

Edited by Hikaru, 27 June 2012 - 10:44 PM.

[Spleenslitta]

Hikaru, on 27 June 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

There are no tonnage limitations. They've already stated that they want all 'mechs viable, so it just isn't a weight game, with weight being the decisive power factor. Weighing less isn't an advantage here, because they can roll in all 12 assaults if they want.

But didn't they say they were looking into team weight limitations as a part of the matchmaking system? I remember that pretty clearly.

[CancersCincar]

Spleenslitta, on 27 June 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

It actually can as long as it has the weapon slots for it. The 1C variant has an AC 2. That weighs 6 tons + ammo.
It removes all the SRM's to get it.

I suppose you could mount a PPC on a Commando, in terms of tonnage, but the SRMs would have to be removed, and the large amount of heat generation would have to be compensated via an increase in heat sinks, or upgrades to double heat sinks, or it would be a very poor choice due to heat problems. In terms of space, it's not likely that there would be enough slots to mount one anyway, though I may be wrong. (I'm referring to the fact that PPCs need 3 slots, and the most energy weapons carried on any of the listed variants on the MWO wiki is a Large Laser and a Medium laser, combined taking up 3 slots of space, and it's not likely that they're both mounted in the torso or in an arm)

Edited by CancersCincar, 27 June 2012 - 10:53 PM.

[Spleenslitta]

CancersCincar, on 27 June 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

I suppose you could mount a PPC on a Commando, in terms of tonnage, but the SRMs would have to be removed, and the large amount of heat generation would have to be compensated via an increase in heat sinks, or upgrades to double heat sinks, or it would be a very poor choice due to heat problems. In terms of space, it's not likely that there would be enough slots to mount one anyway, though I may be wrong. (I'm referring to the fact that PPCs need 3 slots, and the most energy weapons carried on any of the listed variants on the MWO is a Large Laser and a Medium laser, combined taking up 3 slots of space, and it's not likely that they're both mounted in the torso or in an arm)

You are right about that part. I agree completly.

[Xandre Blackheart]

CancersCincar, on 27 June 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

I suppose you could mount a PPC on a Commando, in terms of tonnage, but the SRMs would have to be removed, and the large amount of heat generation would have to be compensated via an increase in heat sinks, or upgrades to double heat sinks, or it would be a very poor choice due to heat problems. In terms of space, it's not likely that there would be enough slots to mount one anyway, though I may be wrong. (I'm referring to the fact that PPCs need 3 slots, and the most energy weapons carried on any of the listed variants on the MWO is a Large Laser and a Medium laser, combined taking up 3 slots of space, and it's not likely that they're both mounted in the torso or in an arm)

I already posted earlier you can get 5/8, a ppc, a small laser, and 5 more heatsinks. (edit oh and full armor)

It's like a mini panther!

Edited by Xandre Blackheart, 27 June 2012 - 10:55 PM.

[Hikaru]

Spleenslitta, on 27 June 2012 - 10:47 PM, said:

But didn't they say they were looking into team weight limitations as a part of the matchmaking system? I remember that pretty clearly.

Nope. Exact opposite. No team weight limitations, period.

[I C U B4 U C ME]

Im going with Raven. I do not like humaniod mechs nearly as much as others. The Raven looks nice and seems like the scout ill go with other than my founders Jenner.
I'm not going commando due to its looks mainly although i might try it out at some stage.

[Spleenslitta]

Xandre Blackheart, on 27 June 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

I already posted earlier you can get 5/8, a ppc a small laser, and 5 more heatsinks.

It's like a mini panther!

But does it have the weapons slots for it? That's a thing only those in beta would know....and the dev's of course.
I wish the dev's would throw us another bone to gnaw on.

[CancersCincar]

Xandre Blackheart, on 27 June 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

I already posted earlier you can get 5/8, a ppc, a small laser, and 5 more heatsinks. (edit oh and full armor)

It's like a mini panther!

We'll just have to see if there are the actual slots in-game for this to be done.

[Xandre Blackheart]

Spleenslitta, on 27 June 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

But does it have the weapons slots for it? That's a thing only those in beta would know....and the dev's of course.
I wish the dev's would throw us another bone to gnaw on.

Apparently it does. An arm mounted energy slot if I recall.

[Spleenslitta]

Hikaru, on 27 June 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:

Nope. Exact opposite. No team weight limitations, period.

Awww...I was counting on that. That means i will have to handle heavies and assaults on my own on a regular basis.
That put a huge ugly bump in my view of MW:O.

[Tincan Nightmare]

Well you could swap the SRM 4 for a LRM 5, drop the SRM 6, and upgrade the med. laser to an extended ER lg laser. Then change out the heat sinks for doubles. Now you have a fast fire support mech that would actually be a good partner for a Jenner or Raven, laying down fire and distracting targets while the others get into range.

[Spleenslitta]

Xandre Blackheart, on 27 June 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

Apparently it does. An arm mounted energy slot if I recall.

Yes. It does have a medium laser in the left arm. But does it have three energy slots in the arm or just two or just one?
That is the major question. Most mechs we have seen in the mechlab has had 3 slots in the same location....maybe it gets different for such a small mech.

Not trying to dash your hopes. Just being realistic....i hope for the ability to mount a PPC too.

[Xandre Blackheart]

Spleenslitta, on 27 June 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

Yes. It does have a medium laser in the left arm. But does it have three energy slots in the arm or just two or just one?
That is the major question. Most mechs we have seen in the mechlab has had 3 slots in the same location....maybe it gets different for such a small mech.

Not trying to dash your hopes. Just being realistic....i hope for the ability to mount a PPC too.

From what I've gotten in response to requests for clarification about hardpoints, it does indeed mean that if you have 3 criticals and an enegy hardpoint in the left arm (and tonnage of course) then you can indeed stick a ppc in there.

In other words"

Woot!

[Zynk]

Capnflintlock, on 27 June 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

Hey guys, I've been having a really tough time deciding between the Commando and the other light mechs. I have a dear place in my heart for the commando because it was the first mech I ever piloted in mechwarrior, (MW2: Mercenaries). However, even though I like the commando, it has its shortcomings compared to other light mechs, such as not having ECM's, jumpjets(yes I'm aware some variants have jumpjets, talking about base variant however), or significant armor.

So what do you vets out there think? How can the commando possibly redeem itself when their are so many other more viable choices to choose from in the light mech category?

Commando:
+Cheap
+Decent Firepower for light mech
+Sleek front and side design, making it difficult to hit in general
-Paper-thin armor, even when compared to other lightmechs
-No ECM equipment, making it a detectable scout
-2 ammunition based weapons with little armor makes it a ticking time bomb.
-no standard variant jumpjets

Legendary so will have a Jenner but I will buy a Commando.

Yes there is a Commando variant with JJ's you just have to wait 19 years for it.

COM-7B - Following the conquest of Coventry by the Word of Blake, the Jihadists modified the 7S to meet their specifications. The 7B keeps one ER Medium Laser in the left arm, but adds two Flamers to it that make the 7B a lethal threat to unarmored infantry. A small cockpit makes room for two SRM-4s, which are still fed by a CASE-protected ammunition bin. The weight savings enabled engineers to add enough jump jets to rocket the Commando up to one hundred-twenty meters at a time. They also added an additional ton of armor.

Edited by Zynk, 27 June 2012 - 11:15 PM.

[CancersCincar]

Xandre Blackheart, on 27 June 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

From what I've gotten in response to requests for clarification about hardpoints, it does indeed mean that if you have 3 criticals and an enegy hardpoint in the left arm (and tonnage of course) then you can indeed stick a ppc in there.

In other words"

Woot!

This doesn't mean that you can mount a PPC on a Commando.

[Xandre Blackheart]

CancersCincar, on 27 June 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

This doesn't mean that you can mount a PPC on a Commando.

From everything I've been able to glean there is nothing to indicate that we cannot.

So fine.

Woot!