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[Kdogg788]

In short, in order to encourage more players to get into CW, the rewards per hour have to be greater than with standard random matches. There needs to be an incentive for waiting it out in queues and legging it through matches that can easily be 3 to 5 times the length of a standard match (or much more with wait queues). If CW was meant to be the pinnacle of the game experience, then the players utilizing it should be rewarded as such. I know some will counter by saying players should get their rewards in standard matches and not expect it in CW. This is counter-intuitive to getting more players into these games and making CW more meaningful by having a larger active player base.

-k

[LordKnightFandragon]

Id love CW earnings in a normal match....have CW be double what it is now....lol...roll in the dough.

[DEMAX51]

I think they just need to address the disparity in rewards for a successful defense vs. a successful attack. If I have two good defense missions in an hour I can earn about 1.5 million C-bills (which is similar to, if not maybe a little more than, what I'd earn in an hour of public play), but two "good" (read: successful) attacks only get me about 400,000-500,000 C-bills in an hour, which is way less than an hour of public queue games will get me.

Edited by DEMAX51, 29 December 2014 - 08:08 AM.

[Kdogg788]

Ideally if someone has the time in a given gaming session to be on CW, they should feel motivated to drop within CW. If rewards were higher, it would make much more sense and therefore a greater proportion of the online population would be on CW leaving the standard drops for quick games when time is short or skill practice and mech leveling.

-k

[Lil Cthulhu]

Just about every time I drop in a CW game, I end up making between 750,000 and 1,000,000 cbills in 30-45 minutes and it is impossible for 30 minutes to be three to four times as long as 15 minutes. JUST SAYIN.

Edited by Lil Cthulhu, 29 December 2014 - 08:38 AM.

[Podex]

Rewards are a little weak, but the incentive is there -- expand/preserve borders and have an all-out brawl with 48 mechs. Just having to extended battle time is enough for me.

[DEMAX51]

Lil Cthulhu, on 29 December 2014 - 08:37 AM, said:

...and it is impossible for 30 minutes to be three to four times as long as 15 minutes. JUST SAYIN.

Sure, the game itself is at most 30 minutes, but when you factor in wait times, (which can be exceptionally high if you're not in a 12-man) it can easily be an hour or more for a single CW game. You can plow through 4-6 PUG matches in that amount of time.

[Lil Cthulhu]

DEMAX51, on 29 December 2014 - 08:42 AM, said:

Sure, the game itself is at most 30 minutes, but when you factor in wait times, (which can be exceptionally high if you're not in a 12-man) it can easily be an hour or more for a single CW game. You can plow through 4-6 PUG matches in that amount of time.

Click the little attack/defend popup you get in the lower right hand corner, I've never waited more than 10 minutes for a match. ETA I have only been solo dropping.

Edited by Lil Cthulhu, 29 December 2014 - 08:47 AM.

[Onmyoudo]

It's fine to have more cbills and XP in the general queue. What CW needs is proper LP rewards such as camos, decals and mechs.

[Kdogg788]

Lil Cthulhu, on 29 December 2014 - 08:45 AM, said:

Click the little attack/defend popup you get in the lower right hand corner, I've never waited more than 10 minutes for a match. ETA I have only been solo dropping.

15 minutes is of course the max for a public drop. How many games reach that? Very few if any. Usually the drop is over within 10. On top of this public queues are much faster. If you're waiting 10 for a match (let's say hypothetically you are not in a 12 man), plus nearly 30 for the match itself, you can easily fit at least 4 public drops in that time.

-k

[Lil Cthulhu]

Kdogg788, on 29 December 2014 - 08:53 AM, said:

15 minutes is of course the max for a public drop. How many games reach that? Very few if any. Usually the drop is over within 10. On top of this public queues are much faster. If you're waiting 10 for a match (let's say hypothetically you are not in a 12 man), plus nearly 30 for the match itself, you can easily fit at least 4 public drops in that time.

-k

Do wait times no longer exist in the non-CW queue? I missed that.

Honestly I remember waiting longer for a normal game, multiple times, than I ever have for CW

Edited by Lil Cthulhu, 29 December 2014 - 09:03 AM.

[Strikeshadow]

Lil Cthulhu, on 29 December 2014 - 08:59 AM, said:

Do wait times no longer exist in the non-CW queue? I missed that.

Honestly I remember waiting longer for a normal game, multiple times, than I ever have for CW

Most normal games are about a 2 min. wait + another 1-2 minutes in the loading phase for a 7-12 min. game. About 15mins. total. Additionally, if you lose early in a normal game, you can drop in another with another mech so games are really only about 9 mins. total spent per game - best case. Typically pugs will earn 75-150k C-bills per game.

In CW it's about a 10 min wait time to find your team, 10 mins to find an opposing team and then the 1-2 min loading phase for the 20-30 min game. About 45 mins. That's the best case scenario - CW is often much much worse. Pugs typically lose and don't have premium time so their rewards are about 350k C-bills per game in CW.

Normal 9 mins for 100k C-bills 11.11k C-bills/Min.
CW 45 mins for 350k C-bills 7.77k C-bills/Min.

[BlakeAteIt]

I know a way to get paid more for CW!

One weird trick to GET PAID in CW (discovered by a mom!): http://mwomercs.com/...e-of-contracts/

[LordKnightFandragon]

Lil Cthulhu, on 29 December 2014 - 08:37 AM, said:

Just about every time I drop in a CW game, I end up making between 750,000 and 1,000,000 cbills in 30-45 minutes and it is impossible for 30 minutes to be three to four times as long as 15 minutes. JUST SAYIN.

Yeah, but dont you realize? The pug matches last 3-6 minutes and 30 is like near 6x longer then the standard pub match. I wish this game was tweaked in such a way that the game was almost forced to last the full 15 minutes, same for CW, have it where if both sides are equally skilled, the game lasts the full 30 minutes.....this 3-6 minute rush crap we have just makes the game boring.

[BlakeAteIt]

Don't forget the ~200k for winning.

[AlmightyAeng]

DEMAX51, on 29 December 2014 - 08:05 AM, said:

I think they just need to address the disparity in rewards for a successful defense vs. a successful attack. If I have two good defense missions in an hour I can earn about 1.5 million C-bills (which is similar to, if not maybe a little more than, what I'd earn in an hour of public play), but two "good" (read: successful) attacks only get me about 400,000-500,000 C-bills in an hour, which is way less than an hour of public queue games will get me.

If you're light-rushing the base and completing just the objective, yeah, your rewards are terrible.

If you're actually engaging the enemy, bump that up to around 1,500,000 an hour instead.

[DEMAX51]

Ghost Badger, on 31 December 2014 - 08:45 AM, said:

If you're light-rushing the base and completing just the objective, yeah, your rewards are terrible.

If you're actually engaging the enemy, bump that up to around 1,500,000 an hour instead.

While true, the current design of CW does not promote "engaging the enemy" when you're attacking. If you're in a 12-man and you're up against a disorganized group you can farm damage and, usually, win via attrition. Successful and profitable; easy-peasy.

If you're up against another organized team, however, that really just doesn't work. You don't necessary have to full-on Light rush to win, but you do need to focus less on enemy 'Mechs, and more on the static base defenses and Omega generators (which results in significantly lower payout). So then you're left deciding whether you want your game to be lucrative or successful. Those two should goals should go hand-in-hand, they shouldn't be at odds with one another.

Edited by DEMAX51, 31 December 2014 - 09:18 AM.

[Iqfish]

LordKnightFandragon, on 29 December 2014 - 07:53 AM, said:

Id love CW earnings in a normal match....have CW be double what it is now....lol...roll in the dough.

Do you still remember when you could easily get 250k C-Bills per match if you did good? WITHOUT PREMIUM?

I do

[AlmightyAeng]

DEMAX51, on 31 December 2014 - 09:14 AM, said:

While true, the current design of CW does not promote "engaging the enemy" when you're attacking. If you're in a 12-man and you're up against a disorganized group you can farm damage and, usually, win via attrition. Successful and profitable; easy-peasy.

If you're up against another organized team, however, that really just doesn't work. You don't necessary have to full-on Light rush to win, but you do need to focus less on enemy 'Mechs, and more on the static base defenses and Omega generators (which results in significantly lower payout). So then you're left deciding whether you want your game to be lucrative or successful. Those two should goals should go hand-in-hand, they shouldn't be at odds with one another.

If PGI actually includes some sort of reward for winning planets, maybe tha'tll matter to me, and then being 'successful' will coincide with profitable and worthwhile

[Mordin Ashe]

WUT? Right now I am milking CW at 1.2m+ c-bills/hours, plus all rewards from CW ranks. I think they should divide it by two, not double it!