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[Cygone]

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only 130K- 200k per game

This is your problem,

This should be 350,000

Don't blame the game cause you are bad at it.

[DaZur]

Yellow Kat, on 03 January 2015 - 04:28 AM, said:

Well don't forget every player that quits the game is more likely to tell others how bad the game is and sway potential players away from trying it. Also in all reality they wouldn't want a 1:1 retention rate. That actually is a sign of a failing game. They really need atleast 90% or more of the people that try the game to stay to offset costs. Even better if some of those 90% are more than happy to dump money on the IRL currencies.

Oh absolutely... I'm just saying a 50/50 is considered a "win" and well... 90% would be awesome sauce.

There is danger of bad "word of mouth" be it 1 lost player or it's 1000, that said it's a given that a F2P consumer will try, not like and leave. It's not indicative of a bad game... It's indicative of that player not fitting well with the game.

People try real hard to draw parallels with other F2P games, their popularity and their successes... The reality it's irresponsible and overtly generalist because it doesn't bear all considerations in the comparisons.

MW:O is a niche corner of a larger I.P. that while it is widely successful within it's genre, it is a teeny tiny sliver of interest when compared to larger more well known entities. I.e... MW:O is not as broadly known or recognized as WWII era tanks, airplanes or warships, nor it is as popular as knights, Dwarves, and Hobbits and it's not as widely popular as the fast twitch, bunny hopping, grenade launching larger than life charterers in a host of F2P FPS... In the grand scheme of thing Battlemechs are a tiny blip on the industry radar.

MW:O has a fairly fanatical playerbase... but that player base is the David to everything else' Goliath... As such it's not fair to try to compare their player base nor their respective player retention levels.

I'm not going to sit here and say MW:O F2P model is perfect... It's not. That said it's not the digital iteration of Ho Chi Minh trail either, as so many wish to paint it as.

MW:O is F2P game and as such it has to have an abrasion mechanic... The problem is not really the grind as the grind is an expected play mechanic... The problem is MW:O does not couch the grind in menial tasks and it sticks out like a sore thumb.

Want to play? Here are some sub-par mechs to use while grinding for one you wish to own. You now ground enough to purchase a mech, go grind some more to upgrade. You are now upgraded, now go grind for XP to master it. Oops... You need three of them to master.... etc..etc.. etc... ad nauseam.

In most other F2P games there is a journey, a task, a mission... Grinding is what you do while you do other things. In MW:O, grinding is what you do...

All that being said, the ROI in MW:O is not to dissimilar from other F2P games... It's the harsh reality that for the moment, the grind "is" the game.

Edited by DaZur, 03 January 2015 - 07:38 AM.

[RePlayBoy101]

Cygone, on 03 January 2015 - 07:33 AM, said:

This is your problem,

This should be 350,000

Don't blame the game cause you are bad at it.

i made 1200 dmg and got 250,570 ... with premium ... the reward system is ******** and i know how to play and im preaty sure i can **** u up anyday of the week

the game is dying becouse of this ****... how long do u expect a new player to play this game when the first thing he has to do is grind a week to get a ******* mech

and the game itself isnt very optimised(dx11 looks like garbage)

Edited by RePlayBoy101, 03 January 2015 - 09:55 AM.

[Remarius]

Mudhutwarrior, on 02 January 2015 - 08:54 AM, said:

All in all it is a grind and if you experiment with builds a lot the grind is bad. It does take a lot out of the game for new players and casuals.
If not increase earnings at least open up equipment purchase for mc or a better conversion. You should not have to wait on sales like a dog at an empty bowl.

What? Experimenting with builds is one of the best things of the game. Why on earth would you want to stick with one build and never master others mechs or indeed other weapon systems?

[Remarius]

RePlayBoy101, on 03 January 2015 - 09:43 AM, said:

i made 1200 dmg and got 250,570 ... with premium ... the reward system is ******** and i know how to play and im preaty sure i can **** u up anyday of the week

the game is dying becouse of this ****... how long do u expect a new player to play this game when the first thing he has to do is grind a week to get a ******* mech

and the game itself isnt very optimised(dx11 looks like garbage)

Blah blah blah. Strange because I earn that on a loss and usually 325-360k on a win ... perhaps you should study the xp/c-bill reward system ... they give you handy records when you are awarded them on screen and its obvious. Raw damage on its own is only one part of generating c-bills, e.g. if you hit an opponent you get a reward, if you don't get hit back in return hey they give you another reward... even better if you shot them from the rear/flank and they never saw you.. another.... Basically play sensibly and well to get the rewards. Stand in a Direwolf in front of a target in a slugging match and you'll get less....

PS: If you want a high water mark...

[Mudhutwarrior]

Remarius, on 03 January 2015 - 12:36 PM, said:

What? Experimenting with builds is one of the best things of the game. Why on earth would you want to stick with one build and never master others mechs or indeed other weapon systems?

You misunderstood, I mess with builds constantly. All three to master them usually get the full treatment before I give up on them. Still drive many sub optimal builds and do well with them. I prefer the oddity over Meta any day. Was happy as hell the Treb finally got recognition but I was driving a missle treb when nobody was. It was my harassment build. I think its the great part of the game that is missed. Sure you may get whooped but it was fun getting whooped.

Remarius, on 03 January 2015 - 12:49 PM, said:

Blah blah blah. Strange because I earn that on a loss and usually 325-360k on a win ... perhaps you should study the xp/c-bill reward system ... they give you handy records when you are awarded them on screen and its obvious. Raw damage on its own is only one part of generating c-bills, e.g. if you hit an opponent you get a reward, if you don't get hit back in return hey they give you another reward... even better if you shot them from the rear/flank and they never saw you.. another.... Basically play sensibly and well to get the rewards. Stand in a Direwolf in front of a target in a slugging match and you'll get less....

PS: If you want a high water mark...

Your perfect man.

Time to best everyone in some other game.

[LordKnightFandragon]

RePlayBoy101, on 29 December 2014 - 10:15 AM, said:

um i dont want that ... just dont want to play the same mech for 3 days just to get 5 M...and then repeat just to get the second version of the same mech and grind again for 2 weeks just to get the third SAME mech

Yeah, the MWO grind and current Paulconomy wouldnt be bad at all if we didnt need 3 of the same damn mech just to elite it.

Ghogiel, on 02 January 2015 - 10:43 PM, said:

HPG was released Dec 2013, swamp came out in Nov 2014. Make that 11 months.

And HPG remains one of the most irritating maps to play on cuz invisible walls ......Just last night I stood on the edge of the upper platform and was firing down at a Hellbringer on the edge of the ledge below me, and with arm lock off and my 4 CERPPCs armed, I watched as atleast half of them, prolly my lower 2, hitting the invisible wall around me......I was like gtfo...I ended with 434 dmg, of which I missed with about 100 more damage and prolly fired 50 into the "wall"

Edited by LordKnightFandragon, 03 January 2015 - 01:00 PM.

[Yokaiko]

Remarius, on 03 January 2015 - 12:49 PM, said:

Blah blah blah. Strange because I earn that on a loss and usually 325-360k on a win ... perhaps you should study the xp/c-bill reward system ... they give you handy records when you are awarded them on screen and its obvious. Raw damage on its own is only one part of generating c-bills, e.g. if you hit an opponent you get a reward, if you don't get hit back in return hey they give you another reward... even better if you shot them from the rear/flank and they never saw you.. another.... Basically play sensibly and well to get the rewards. Stand in a Direwolf in front of a target in a slugging match and you'll get less....

PS: If you want a high water mark...

That is a one in how many thousand games?

.....and first win to boot, with a Locust ******* RESPECT LOL


I did 850 with 6 kills (seven if you count a TK that intercepted my streaks) with a raven once, but damn.

[Remarius]

Mudhutwarrior, on 03 January 2015 - 12:56 PM, said:

You misunderstood, I mess with builds constantly. All three to master them usually get the full treatment before I give up on them. Still drive many sub optimal builds and do well with them. I prefer the oddity over Meta any day. Was happy as hell the Treb finally got recognition but I was driving a missle treb when nobody was. It was my harassment build. I think its the great part of the game that is missed. Sure you may get whooped but it was fun getting whooped.



Your perfect man.

Time to best everyone in some other game.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit....

As you're obviously just being belligerent I'll explain it in words of one syllable...

If I can do it so can you.

Yokaiko, on 03 January 2015 - 12:59 PM, said:

That is a one in how many thousand games?

.....and first win to boot, with a Locust ******* RESPECT LOL


I did 850 with 6 kills (seven if you count a TK that intercepted my streaks) with a raven once, but damn.

One in far too many.

Love that mech tbh as its such a knife edge ride.

[Yokaiko]

Remarius, on 03 January 2015 - 01:02 PM, said:

One in far too many.

Love that mech tbh as its such a knife edge ride.

Apparently I lost my touch in lights, I've been trying to grind Firestarters and its been....abusive.

[Xetelian]

Remarius, on 03 January 2015 - 12:49 PM, said:

Blah blah blah. Strange because I earn that on a loss and usually 325-360k on a win ... perhaps you should study the xp/c-bill reward system ... they give you handy records when you are awarded them on screen and its obvious. Raw damage on its own is only one part of generating c-bills, e.g. if you hit an opponent you get a reward, if you don't get hit back in return hey they give you another reward... even better if you shot them from the rear/flank and they never saw you.. another.... Basically play sensibly and well to get the rewards. Stand in a Direwolf in front of a target in a slugging match and you'll get less....

PS: If you want a high water mark...

I'm right because I'm better than you? Best argument.

[Remarius]

Yokaiko, on 03 January 2015 - 01:04 PM, said:

Apparently I lost my touch in lights, I've been trying to grind Firestarters and its been....abusive.

Ember was my grinder of choice for a while. In fairness I don't usually bother to specifically grind but test setups for CW or just level new mechs as they come out. That PB match was actually the last match to master out that mech.

Xetelian, on 03 January 2015 - 01:04 PM, said:

I'm right because I'm better than you? Best argument.

Touchy touchy.

The message was simple... if I can do it anyone can including you. Perhaps if you studied the carefully described reward system and used your mech appropriately you too could get that.

Or you could just complain about not getting enough rewards.

Totally your choice.

[StandingInFire]

Remarius, on 03 January 2015 - 12:49 PM, said:

Blah blah blah. Strange because I earn that on a loss and usually 325-360k on a win ... perhaps you should study the xp/c-bill reward system ... they give you handy records when you are awarded them on screen and its obvious. Raw damage on its own is only one part of generating c-bills, e.g. if you hit an opponent you get a reward, if you don't get hit back in return hey they give you another reward... even better if you shot them from the rear/flank and they never saw you.. another.... Basically play sensibly and well to get the rewards. Stand in a Direwolf in front of a target in a slugging match and you'll get less....

PS: If you want a high water mark...
(pic 1)
(pic 2 = 519,890, 6 kill 3 assists 943 dmg)

If you remove the hero (30%) and premium time (50%) bonus that game you made 288,827 cbills (the number that actually matters as premium/hero are accelerators and should not be mandatory or factored into the reward base). In what was pretty much a best case scenario and taking advantage of the fact that the new reward system rewards lighter mechs a lot more than assaults (one of the major problems of the systems cause assaults need a **** ton more money to get setup), as you said standing in front gets you less money, but someone needs to be standing in front (unless the other team is braindead). Also consider you can't get protected x, brawling, hit and run, or flanking really in a big assault and killing blows can easily net you over 2x the money you get for an assist (even if you got the most damage dealt on an assist).

There are many problems with the current reward system, I have had games where I single handedly carried the team to the win and made ~125k on an assault (pretty much killed 1/2 the enemy team but didn't get the killing blows, i.e. put people to deep red and random medium lasers from others get the kill), that's ****** up.

[SerialTurd]

For those of you who are south park fans you'll know what i'm talking about but for those that aren't they did a recent episode on F2P games. Granted it was for mobile games but the same logic/psychology applies. The mentality behind free to play games is that most people won't pay a dime to play it but for the very small % that do, they'll cough out tons of cash and that's where they make their money. Having read through some of this forum post, I recall reading someone who spent 1500$ and is looking to spend more. That's exactly who the devs want and are attracting with this current style of F2P.

Chances are they may tweak the income a little bit so that it makes a few happy and they continue playing but overall, don't look to have the model change any time soon. They aren't going to make it so that those who spent 250$ on a clan pack of mechs suddenly get screwed. They'd rather screw us, the "leeches" then the paying customers.

Also this game isn't really F2P, it's a hybrid. A F2P game is planetside 2 where everything related to core game mechanics can be obtained by paying and non-paying members. This game has mechs which can be only purchased and offers a in game money bonus. While that may not necessarily impact gameplay it is an advantage and to that degree could be considered through a point of view, pay to win. If i get money faster than you do, I can buy more mechs/gear/etc faster than you can.

Edited by SerialTurd, 03 January 2015 - 03:26 PM.

[RePlayBoy101]

Remarius, on 03 January 2015 - 12:49 PM, said:

Blah blah blah. Strange because I earn that on a loss and usually 325-360k on a win ... perhaps you should study the xp/c-bill reward system ... they give you handy records when you are awarded them on screen and its obvious. Raw damage on its own is only one part of generating c-bills, e.g. if you hit an opponent you get a reward, if you don't get hit back in return hey they give you another reward... even better if you shot them from the rear/flank and they never saw you.. another.... Basically play sensibly and well to get the rewards. Stand in a Direwolf in front of a target in a slugging match and you'll get less....

PS: If you want a high water mark...

this is what i got... brah and thats not ur average income so stfu with ur bragging


update ... went in to a game just to best ur score

Edited by RePlayBoy101, 04 January 2015 - 02:40 AM.

[Greenjulius]

Remarius, on 03 January 2015 - 12:49 PM, said:

Very impressive.

Seriously, what the hell is your build? I have had really good matches in the PB but haven't topped 800 damage yet. My usual build, 3xSPL, 1xMPL, is really great at coring enemies before they even realize what has happened. I've had lots of 3-5 kill matches, but never with damage that high.

[Thunder Child]

Personally, what I would like to see is Daily Missions. Something to give the Grind a bit of Flavour, instead of having the same porridge all day everyday.
Stuff like, kill 30 Heavies in Skirmish-5k.
Capture 10 points in conquest-5k.
Get a Defense Kill in Assault-5k.

Nothing super impressive, but just a bit of flavour. Perhaps have 3-5 random missions each day (daily quests, as you will), that have a bit of fluff text attached, and make the Grind a little interesting.

[Cyborne Elemental]

The grind in this game has gotten much much worse since the rules started shifting around.

Without spotting bonuses for tag/narc or that kind of stuff, I know my personal cbill counts have gone down alot.

Not quite sure what changed, but even on a good round(1-2 kills with multiple assists), without premium time I'm only pulling in around 130,000-150,000cb per game which is barely enough to cover consumables and make any headway towards new mechs or engines.

Premium at least makes it bearable and pushes that average up to 220,000cb-260,000, but I'm not going to pay into that..

I used to average around 200,000 and better, without premium time before.

Edited by Mister D, 04 January 2015 - 02:47 AM.

[LordKnightFandragon]

I totally wish the "norm" for cbill and xp income was more along the lines of what we get in CW.

For a poor game, you make like 100-150K
Avg game nets to 200-250K
Good game nets you 300-400K
Great games net you 500K+

Add premium time and C mechs on top of that to really rake in the dough.

that might be a bit obnoxiously high, and i know it, but the public Q income is kinda low lol. Yesterday I netted 139K only cuz I was in my (C)(I) Warhawk P getting 30% boost. I dealt 440 dmg and a kill with some assists and didnt die.....

A Game like that I wish was more along the lines of 200K, with better games being worth even more lol.

These guys posting those 300-500K games, thats more like it lol....

needing 45 million for 3 mechs, some mechs needing near 2 million for upgrades, 3-6 million for modules, another 1-3million for weapons x3 mechs....while in an average game you might, on a good day with premium and all that, net 250K...You will need to play for a month to afford 1 mech, never mind 3.....

[Greenjulius]

RePlayBoy101, on 04 January 2015 - 02:33 AM, said:

this is what i got... brah and thats not ur average income so stfu with ur bragging


update ... went in to a game just to best ur score

Congrats on the great games.

However, I think you may have missed the fact that he did that with a locust. I've seen Direwolves pushing more than 1700 damage. Big difference here. Also, you know you can push the PrintScreen key to take a screenshot and put in into the user screenshots folder, right?

Edited by Greenjulius, 04 January 2015 - 03:23 AM.